Xd Breakage Report. Here is The Facts!


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possum
April 10, 2007, 12:33 PM
Alright the data is in and i have sorted it all out. i was curious about a few things to do with the xd's, so i decided to take it upon myself to do a little on-line study to answer some of my questions. so here goes.
Paramaters
1)50 people's individual input.
2)Data Taken from three gun forums, THR, xdtalk.com and ar15.com

Results

1)14 0f the 50 people own mulitiple xd's more than one, in some cases as many as three.

2)of the 50 xd owners there is a total of 69 xd's.

3)Of the 69 xd's there were a total of 6 breakages.
A) 3 in 9mm
B) 3 in .40s&w
NOTE: there were no issues with the .45 models but i don not believe this to be because of any difference in manufacturing, or the way they are built, they have simple not seen the action that the others have.

4)Xd's By caliber, of the 69 owned there are:
A) 18 .45acp
B) 19 .40s&w
C) 31 9mm
D) 1 .357sig
NOTE: i found it interesting the number of .45 models to the ratio of the others, i think sa really capatlized by making the .45 acp models and definetly made some money quick on them. also cool to see that ouut of the bunch there were no .45 gap models owned.

Ammo Consumption
as little as 200rds to as much as 12,000rds were fired with 3 over the 10,000rd mark, and three times that many over the 5,000rd mark. between the various owners and there xd's.

NOTE: i definetly got my questions answered and hopefully this will aid in changing some people's mis conceptions, but if not i think it is good info and a good basis to justify someone buying and owning an xd. i am happy with the results.

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CountGlockula
April 10, 2007, 12:36 PM
So what was the type of "breakage"?

strat81
April 10, 2007, 12:37 PM
What constitutes a "breakage"? A destroyed barrel is a bit more significant than the front sight falling off.

CountGlockula
April 10, 2007, 12:38 PM
Great analysis!

possum
April 10, 2007, 12:40 PM
i have to head to work but i will fill you all in on the actual breakages later. thanks.

MrTuffPaws
April 10, 2007, 12:49 PM
I chipped my locking block and broke my firing pin retaining pin. The gun still functioned fine though.

GhostRider66
April 10, 2007, 01:00 PM
I do think of course that the results should be weighted a bit to compensate for the oft-noted fact that people with a negative experience are far more likely to say something than those that experienced no problem. Being in the computer industry, all we ever work with are the broken ones. To ask me, every computer out there is a piece of junk. I'd say you'd probably hear from the people that had a problem with an XD by a 100 to 1 margin (if not more) as compared to those that didn't. Just thought I'd point that out.

BBsteel
April 10, 2007, 02:07 PM
Good point GR66 but I believe the results are weighted as is. Meaning, some of the data was obtained from an actual XD forum. I would be curious to see if this where most of the "good" feedback came from (probably).


It would be nice to see a continuation of this study reach across other forums specific to gun Mfg (i.e. Walther, Glock, H&K, etc...).

DomMega
April 10, 2007, 02:16 PM
It would be nice to see a continuation of this study reach across other forums specific to gun Mfg (i.e. Walther, Glock, H&K, etc...).

Agreed

MythBuster
April 10, 2007, 02:55 PM
I feel that 6 "breakages" out of 69 is too many for me to consider the XD to be such a good pistol.

Trebor
April 10, 2007, 03:00 PM
Your study has too small of a sample size and also have the problem of "self selected" participation. It's interesting, but not valid enough for me to base any decisions on.

Personally, I like to use other's personal experiences when evaulating a possible new gun, but I don't pretend to think the antedoctal evidence collected is in any way "scientific." I find that training classes or other situations where the guns are "run hard" are good places for the weaknesses to be exposed.

I found Nomad2's recent posts about his contactor training classes interesting in that he said something along the lines of "all the XD's broke." If I was in the market for an XD right now I'd follow up with him for me info on what he observed in the class.

winddummy
April 10, 2007, 03:35 PM
Regardles of what the breakages were, six is way to high. one out of sixty nine is to high. If I even have one breakage or failure with a weapon (not counting failure to feed or extraction during the first 200 rounds) of mine, it is never carried for denfense again and is almost always traded off, I won't carry any pistol that I can't bet my life on.

possum
April 10, 2007, 03:53 PM
I found Nomad2's recent posts about his contactor training classes interesting in that he said something along the lines of "all the XD's broke." If I was in the market for an XD right now I'd follow up with him for me info on what he observed in the class.

if you also read in his other threads that all the ar's had trouble, nuff said.
Your study has too small of a sample size and also have the problem of "self selected" participation. It's interesting, but not valid enough for me to base any decisions on.

couldn't care less, i did it for me, to apease my own curiosity, if anyone is interested then fine if not oh well. i don't expect anyone to base there opinion on this that is not what i am trying to accomplish, i am a life long xd and sa owner and i will continue to be that way!

GhostRider66, good pont but actually 5 of the reported brakages came from xdtalk.com
and 1 from here.

breakages defined.
1) 9mm service Locking Block crack
2) 9mm service broken roll pin
3) .40 service roll pin
4) .40 service guide rod and broken slide stop
5) 9mm service
XD9 Service bought as LEO duty weapon Oct 05. Approx 2500 rds since then.
Trigger return Spring broke twice (at least SA repaired/turned around in one week)
Extractor tip broke off
roll pin broke in half
so much holster wear the slide looks chromed hahaha
6)I have about 9000 through my XD-40 Tactical. Its had the locking block replaced when it cracked and one broken trigger return spring. I am on my third 16# recoil spring.


Hope this answers the questions you guys had. thanks.

Marshall
April 10, 2007, 03:56 PM
I don't see this as very scientific at all. I almost didn't reply to the post asking for information because I have been too busy and didn't see it as important. If I was pissed at my XD though, it might have become more important. I now have replied to it, but too late. People that have no problem tend to not be as vocal as those that do. Nice info to have though.

possum
April 10, 2007, 03:59 PM
I don't see this as very scientific at all.
wasn't meant to be. why do i even reply sometimes!

BBsteel
April 10, 2007, 04:07 PM
Possum, for the record, nice work on getting all this information for "your self" and taking the liberty to share it with us. I hope this thread won't discourage anyone's future work of the same sort.



Do share any updates or future studies with us, thanks!

GhostRider66
April 10, 2007, 04:10 PM
Not wanting to be very critical but please refer to my earlier post. Anyone stating that this "study" represents that 6 out 69 XDs break or experience a major failure need to buy and read a good book on statistics. This is NOT a real "study" by any means and not at all scientific. Please tell me this is not how you make other major purchase decisions. That said, it is not a bad thing to start looking at. Let's just not read into it what isn't there.

possum
April 10, 2007, 04:48 PM
i owned two xds and still do before this and i will own more in the future!

GhostRider66
April 10, 2007, 04:59 PM
i owned two xds and still do before this and i will own more in the future!
I currently own five. I figure since they are so prone to failure, I can always use a spare. :D

Seriously, I love them and everyone I've introduced to them either bought one or plans on doing so. I figure the odds of my ever having to use one to save my life or that of another are already greater than my winning the lotto. If the weapon happens to fail on that particular day and time, the Man and I had a pre-arranged face-to-face scheduled already and not much I can do about it.

possum
April 10, 2007, 05:27 PM
Seriously, I love them and everyone I've introduced to them either bought one or plans on doing so.
same here. sa has made alot of money off of me.

. If the weapon happens to fail on that particular day and time, the Man and I had a pre-arranged face-to-face scheduled already and not much I can do about it.

i believe the same to be true brother.

Spot77
April 10, 2007, 05:53 PM
Interesting info, thanks.

Might be able to afford an xd in .45 sometime in the next decade. :(

Trebor
April 10, 2007, 07:19 PM
I took you to task for not being "scientific" because your title said: "Here are the facts." That made it sound to me that you were claiming something that you really couldn't back up with your study.

For an informal poll, where the respondents self-selected, the results are interesting.

shc1
April 10, 2007, 07:28 PM
Here I go assuming again but…

so much holster wear the slide looks chromed hahaha

Sounds like enough quick draw to be dropped several times…

12many
April 10, 2007, 07:30 PM
Well, at least now we have the facts.

6 out of 69 is a breakage rate of ~7%. I suspect it is actually much much less.

It is interesting though to hear about what breaks/cracks so we can keep an eye on those parts. I have a XD9 SC. Great little gun Probably 400 rounds, not a single hickup and I find it to be very accurate given it's 3 inch barrel. Like usual, the gun will outperform me.

lamazza
April 10, 2007, 07:52 PM
Nice concise report-thank you.

Gameface_XD
April 10, 2007, 08:03 PM
I actually found these boards a few years ago when I bought a XD-40 and it was having a problem with the slide-lock engaging the slide while there were still rounds in the mag. If I hadn't had the problem I probably never would have come around these parts. So, in short, I agree that your sample probably includes a disporportionate amount of people who've had problems.

When I was having the above mentioned troubles I found a few other people at the HS200-XDtalk.com having the same problem. One guy did some good work and pretty much proved that the fatter .40 rounds were rubbing the slide lock lever. I Sent my gun to SA to see if they could fix it (some people had problems, some didn't) but they sent it back saying that it was fine. I didn't send my mags in with the gun, but one came back with it. They weren't the same mags. I still had problems so I filed the slide lock lever down a tad (maybe 1/16th"). It doesn't lock back prematurely now, but with the new mag the slide lock doesn't lock back at all and the mag will not drop when I press the release. Recently, after moving out of CA and back to UT, I bought some 12rd mags, they were the same as the new mag SA sent me, with the same troubles. I think SA has worked the bugs out and I just got a little unlucky. I havern't heard any new XD-40 owners having this problem, and I'm thinking the new mags are part of the solution.

I loved my XD-40. I asked around and everyone seems to think they are so fantastic so I bought a Sub XD-9 that I will probably use for carry after I've fired a few thousand rounds through it (250 rds so far, no issues) and I get my UT CC permit.

possum
April 10, 2007, 10:06 PM
Nice concise report-thank you.

Possum, for the record, nice work on getting all this information for "your self" and taking the liberty to share it with us. I hope this thread won't discourage anyone's future work of the same sort.



Do share any updates or future studies with us, thanks!

no problem i am glad that someone else may have benifited from it.

Guzzizzit
April 11, 2007, 01:50 AM
Yeah, for a while now i've been thinging that if i can find just the right deal on a Used XD i might pick one up. Rented a few at the range (waiting to try the XD-.45 they have for rent as soon as it returns from repair) and i am slowly warming up to them. Because of trouble with the first 2 i rented, i doubt i could ever trust my life to it, but it's still a nice little pistol. Too bad the Gun shops i frequent wont carry them Used. :mad:

CPshooter
April 11, 2007, 02:19 AM
add me to the data... i have owned an XD 40 and 45, both 4" service models, and both had around 2,000 rds through them before i sold them to a friend of mine. zero malfunctions and no breakages while i had the guns. i miss my XD 40 more than any other pistol i've owned and it was the only gun i could stay consistently accurate with. i LOVE these guns, and im definitely getting a couple more in the future.

people need to stop dogging on XDs or Glocks or anything else for that matter. you buy a brand name handgun with a solid reputation, and you hope for the best. When i picked up one my new Glocks, i expected it to work flawlessly out of the box and it did. Great, my 500 dollars went to good use. When i pulled my XDs out of the box i had the same expectations and got the same results. I've "heard" of Glocks breaking just as much as I've "heard" of XDs breaking. It's just whatever horror story comes your way that you happen to see, and also what luck you have had with a particular handgun or brand of handgun...

this study was good and i applaud the effort, but in the end you simply can't base any decision of what gun to by soley on a few horror stories.

I had a terrible experience with the Kahr PM9 i had last year and sold it off, but i miss the little thing. It is the perfect combination of all-around carry comfort and firepower. I miss it so bad that my very next handgun purchase is going to be another Kahr PM9, but in black:D

JonB
April 11, 2007, 11:33 AM
Hmmmm. Is this small sample really 'the facts?' Looks like crap to me.

~7% failure rate of those people that were selected to be included. Why not post a poll on this forum and survey XD owners for 'breakages?' I suspect you will get more than 69 responses and your % will go way down. Sample size means a lot is this sort of thing and your sample size and sampling method are a far cry from what I would call useful and unbiased.

This is the kind of statistics that politicians like....... it's like surveying people at a democratic convention and determining that 50% of those in attendance like Hitlary. And then reporting that 50% of Americans will vote for Hitlary.

possum
April 11, 2007, 11:41 AM
Hmmmm. Is this small sample really 'the facts?' Looks like crap to me.

hey maybe you need to learn to read, i didn't do it "for" you or anyone else but myself and i figured i would share, if you don't like it do it yourself. how bout that all of ya'll are bitchin and complaining why don't ya'll take the time and do one yourself if you think i should have done this or that instead. it was neve my intention to be "scientific" or precise" this was informal and totally on my own.

I suspect you will get more than 69 responses and your % will go way down.
i agree.

Sample size means a lot is this sort of thing and your sample size and sampling method are a far cry from what I would call useful and unbiased.

well you send me the funds and i will go to a class, and learn how to do it better to please you JonB. that is my lot in life.

i answered the questions that i had and i know this is on the highside of the results and quite frankly it is something that i wanted to do and i figured a few would find it good info and interesting, like some have, and that is all that matters to me.

orionengnr
April 11, 2007, 11:49 AM
If the weapon happens to fail on that particular day and time, the Man and I had a pre-arranged face-to-face scheduled already and not much I can do about it.

Logical fallacy. Following that logic to it's natural conclusion, why should I carry a gun at all?

6 out of 69 is a breakage rate of ~7%. I suspect it is actually much much less

Weak math. 6 out of 69 is ~8.7%; if you are into rounding off it would be 9%.

Stephen A. Camp
April 11, 2007, 11:52 AM
The thread seems to be going downhill. If the approach was not "scientific" or statistically valid, the original poster presented what he thought might be of interest.

Constructive criticism and suggestions are one thing, but the manner in which some of the negative remarks were made is pretty sad in my opinion. Disgusting is probably a better description.

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