The Glock 7 Club


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Geronimo45
April 11, 2007, 03:23 PM
Everyone else and their dog have a club for their model of pistol - so why not start one for the Glock 7?

I'll start.

My Glock 7 was given to me personally by President George Washington himself. He said no other operator could've done what I did (I drove off British deserters who were trying to rob the Mount Vernon Gift Shoppe).
It served okay for a while, but it has its downsides:
1. High price - it was a completely new offering from Glock, and limited to less than a thousand units.
2. Parts availability - practically nonexistent. You had to order your parts direct from Vienna. They took the order and made each one individually.
3. Poor finish - the finish on the slides was a new variety that was extremely strong at first... but after about six months' exposure to the moisture in the air, it degraded rapidly.
4. KBs could kill the shooter. The guns couldn't handle 9mm +P++P+ APIP (armor piercing incendiary polymer) Hollowpoints for many rounds - the guns had major issues at 4,000.
5. Caliber choices - any caliber you want, as long as it's 9mm Luger. No .40, .45, or .86 (22mm).
6. Magazine springs - they lost spring tension after about four months of being loaded to max capacity. Oh, and the 1993 mags (marked GLOCK LEPMI) employed compressed air instead of springs. Novel idea, and it worked - unless you dropped a magazine and stepped on it. Then you'd loose all air pressure and the mag was useless.
7. Galling of the frame/slide. You had to handle the gun with kid gloves. If you happened to replace the slide with the Glock 7 10mm conversion from IMI, you would find that the metal had torn nice chunks out of the frame.
8. No mounting rail - when most of our work is best done in the dark.
9. Broke easily - sure, you shouldn't use your gun as a hammer. What if you have to? You're outta luck. The grip snaps off the frame.
10. Fragile firing pin. Most of our agents took to carrying a titanium model.

Upsides:

1. Very accurate.
2. GLOCk-safe - dropping it won't set it off - just shatter it to pieces. You could have an external safety added.
3. High capacity.
4. No problem with metal detectors.
5. Threaded barrels are readily available for silencer use.
6. Easy to clean.
7. Practically no lubrication is ever needed. Grease is preferred.
8. Lightweight.
9. Reliable. Fed any 9mm Luger round in existence, even empty cases.

To be honest, I got the first generation Glock 7, and later variants may've been better.

I replaced the gun a few years back with a special 22mm semiauto, when NATO SpecOps decided to go with the 22mm round.

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Devonai
April 11, 2007, 03:24 PM
Club? No need. I'm the only one professional enough on this forum to handle the Glock 7.

Black Majik
April 11, 2007, 03:59 PM
well, IBTL :uhoh:

Trebor
April 11, 2007, 04:01 PM
I'd love to own a Glock 7, but unfortunately it costs more than I make in a month.

BsChoy
April 11, 2007, 05:02 PM
never heard of the glock 7, what gives?

MikePGS
April 11, 2007, 05:13 PM
I actually have a Glock 7 tactical mall security model. Its based on a glock 23 (with a sig .357 bar-sto barrel of course) but has cooler more glocky features. It was given to me by some dude who referred to himself only as "Gecko".

koussevitzky
April 11, 2007, 05:43 PM
Hi Geronimo 45, I think you have one of the earlier models of the first generation of the 7. The second batch were stronger, Gaston told me they used a different ceramic compound. Still not a battle gun, so I have mine as a safe queen, along with my glock carbine.

But you must really try the 7's fourth generation!
They are great:
-Glock 19 size
-Factory thread barrel with ceramic silencer
-Can handle al kinds of 9mm ammo, of course APIP, and even RMPPA!!! (red mercury point polymer armor)
-Reliability and durability is almost as good as a standart 19
-New elastomere magazines (dead reliable).
-Thumb safety
-Nano-carbon internals

There has been a lot of wuss about a newer version, I think it's called the 9 sf, Gaston told me it's going to be the best glock ever! I think that mean it'll be 1/10 of an inch slimmer...

This post will self destroy... eventually.

The Law
April 11, 2007, 05:44 PM
I take mine to the airport all the time. It's invisible to x-rays, including the ammo. ;)

ibtl

Zundfolge
April 11, 2007, 05:47 PM
never heard of the glock 7, what gives?
Go rent Die Hard 2 ... you'll get it then :neener:

Run&Shoot
April 11, 2007, 05:47 PM
I have a Glock 7 but cannot find it. It not only is totally invisible to x-ray scanning, I got the special model that is also totally invisible to human eyes. I am sure my cat can see it with its evil eyesight, but he's not giving it up. :mad:

If I can ever locate the darn thing I am going to put some stickers on it like I did to the sliding glass door. Or load the magazines with real brass cartridges so at least they will be visible.

I sure hope I didn't accidentally leave my Glock 7 in my airline luggage! TSA woudll go ape over that, if they found it with hyperspectral imaging scanners.

It may not be the most powerful gun in the world but I'll bet you a million bucks it is the most invisible one!

SWModel19
April 11, 2007, 05:47 PM
I have the original set used in the Burr/Hamilton duel.:rolleyes:

zinj
April 11, 2007, 05:48 PM
Have any of you guys tried that new carbon-fiber upper that replaces the slide and turns the G7 into a bull-up drum fed semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun?

MikePGS
April 11, 2007, 05:51 PM
Another good aspect of them is the fact that their designed to be able to shoot thousands of rounds of ammo every single day. Me and co-workers at the mall shoot thousands of rounds a night, just to stay on top of our game (We also wear fully body armor, including ceramic plating on our backs in order to practice for real world situations).

deltacharlie
April 11, 2007, 05:52 PM
BsChoy - no such things as a Glock7(*)

But from what I understand....

The myth comes from our good ole American media who's mouths are in highgear while their brains are in idle. Glocks had been in Canada and other countries for years prior to being imported to the US. But when they made the scene here, the hysterical media threw their usual tantrums, claiming that they cannot be seen by airport Xray machines - which meant that they magically made the bullets disappear too I guess. Anyway, the typical media lies took on urban legend status thanks to the 1990 movie, DieHard 2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099423/), starring Bruce Willis who said this line in the movie;
That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It dosen't show up on you airport X-ray machines, and it cost more than you make here in a month.
...so of course, anything the uninitiated hears in a movie is taken as fact :rolleyes:

I guess you could chalk up that "Glock 7" line to license, but I prefer to attirubute it to basic Hollywood stupidity & media fearmongering.

The rest is firearms history.



(*) reason glocks are numbered 17 - 39 is that the first 16 were prototypes leading up to the final and approved design. when gaston arrived at a design he believed best, it was the 17th in the series, hence the original Glock17.

Geronimo45
April 11, 2007, 06:51 PM
"New elastomere magazines (dead reliable)."
Haven't heard of those... they use polymer springs like the original G7 mags or a compressed air tube like the LEPMI mags?

I'll have to try the newer generations of G7. Sounds like some major improvements... but NATO doesn't like to make 'minor' upgrades.

"Have any of you guys tried that new carbon-fiber upper that replaces the slide and turns the G7 into a bull-pup drum fed semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun?"
Has reliability issues. The 3.5" magnum slugs will warp the frame... if you're right landed, a warp to the left. If you're left handed, warp to the right. The upper kit is not a GLOCK issued gadget, and it shows. Poor design to it.

The 22mm/.86 caliber 'Excalibur' pistol from FN is the current SpecOps weapon of choice (also a HK model, but it's more blocky). Doublestack gun capable of running 22mm belts. Can also take 12 gauge 3.5" magnums on a single-shot basis. I heard that there was a 12-gauge conversion kit for it in the works.

Shear_stress
April 11, 2007, 07:06 PM
Oh, this thread brings back memories. I so miss my first-generation Glock 7. Unfortunately, it fell from my holster while I was helping some business associates launch a hostile takeover of the Nakatomi Company back in the mid-80s. Darn thing shattered when it hit the pavement. I found most of the shards, but that bastard Gaston won't sell me the special glue needed to stick the porcelain back together.

Master Blaster
April 11, 2007, 07:06 PM
I switched my dogs food, and now she makes Glock #2's come out that spot right under her tail. They kind of smell and you have to be careful when you carry one IWB, cause the barrel bends if your belt is too tight.

Last time I took it on an airplane not only didnt it show up on the x ray but I got to have the entire row on the airplane to myself.:neener:

SIRVEYR666
April 11, 2007, 07:10 PM
Geronimo45:

Have you tried replacing the stock 4oz. trigger with NY 25# trigger? I did the swap on mine and it still feels a little mushy. I think Gaston is working on a new safe action trigger that is set up similar to a compound bow. It was a 85# pull with a 84.3% let-off. He should be sending me one to test any day now. I'll post a full range report. I hope that it will work with my belt fed CCU upper.

SIRVEYR666
April 11, 2007, 07:13 PM
I found most of the shards, but that bastard Gaston won't sell me the special glue needed to stick the porcelain back together.

I've had this happen. You need to use Gorilla Glue and refire it in the kiln.

Sistema1927
April 11, 2007, 07:22 PM
That will teach me to be cheap and not buy the Glock holster for the Glock 7.

Last time I flew the TSA screener almost discovered it since the aftermarket holster had a metal snap.

DoubleTapDrew
April 11, 2007, 07:31 PM
(*) reason glocks are numbered 17 - 39 is that the first 16 were prototypes leading up to the final and approved design. when gaston arrived at a design he believed best, it was the 17th in the series, hence the original Glock17.

Did Gaston use to work for Dr. Evil?
"Preparations A through G were a complete failure, but not we have a working prototype which we shall call...Preparation H"

Holding someone at gunpoint with a Glock 7 brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "Praying to the porcelain God"

CountGlockula
April 11, 2007, 07:45 PM
The REAL question is: Do you own the DVD of "Die Hard" 2?

Shear_stress
April 11, 2007, 07:50 PM
I've had this happen. You need to use Gorilla Glue and refire it in the kiln.

Good idea, but I'll probably leave the work to a factory-trained Glock armorer. Sheesh, this is going to cost me some Euros. I wonder if he'll accept some slightly charred bearer bonds?

SIRVEYR666
April 11, 2007, 08:39 PM
Good idea, but I'll probably leave the work to a factory-trained Glock armorer.

You actually think that a "factory-trained Glock armorer" knows the inner workings of a Glock 7?:scrutiny: Are you insane man!:cuss:

I would only trust a deep-cover mall ninja type to do any type work on mine. I don't even insert a fresh elastomere magazine myself. I send it to "The Factory".:cool:

glockman19
April 11, 2007, 08:42 PM
I put mine down and have never seen it again. It just disapeared. I understand they are now selling special glasses/goggles just for this situation.:p :D :p :rolleyes:

Shear_stress
April 11, 2007, 08:59 PM
I would only trust a deep-cover mall ninja type to do any type work on mine. I don't even insert a fresh elastomere magazine myself. I send it to "The Factory"

I stand corrected. . . I know just the man for the job. He works out in my sector, but keeps to himself. You see him every now and again at the range. Look for the guy decked out in the coordinating Coyote Brown tac-vest and BDUs, firing his scoped and bipodded M4gery from the bench at 25 yards. He has access to this special type of imported steel-cased ammo available only in Eastern Europe and, curiously, Dunham's. The dark polymer finish affects the groups slightly (from an amazing 10" to a merely impressive 12"), but those in the know will tell you that real tactical operators don't want their ejected shells seen. Gives away their position, natch.

Devonai
April 11, 2007, 10:07 PM
(*) reason glocks are numbered 17 - 39 is that the first 16 were prototypes leading up to the final and approved design. when gaston arrived at a design he believed best, it was the 17th in the series, hence the original Glock17.

Sorry, but the only thing that Mr. Glock had patented related to firearms before the Glock 17 pistol was a new type of links for machine guns.

1963 - Glock GesmbH established in Deutsch-Wagram
1963 - Glock's first product: plastic curtain rods
1970s - Plastic kitchen boxes, machine gun ammo belts, shovels, and utility knives are offered.
1980 - Company founder Gaston Glock starts developing a gun
1982 - The Austrian army decides on the Glock 17
1984 - With service in the Norwegian army, the Glock leaves Austria
1986 - G18 introduced
1986 - Glock Inc. in Smyrna, GA, established
1988 - G17L and G19 introduced
1988 - All Glocks get serrated frontstraps and backstraps
1990 - G22 and G23 introduced: the first ever .40 S&W guns
1990 - G7 introduced after German dinnerware rationing expires
1990 - G20 and G21 introduced
1994 - G24 introduced
1995 - G25, G26 and G27 introduced
1997 - G29 and G30 introduced
1998 - G31, G32, G33, G34, G35 introduced
1999 - G36 introduced

History from TopGlock (http://www.topglock.com/info/history.htm), with my own pertinent addition.

secamp32
April 11, 2007, 10:25 PM
I just picked up a Glock 7 in 45 mm magnum with the optional belt fed upper. I carried it right on the airplane today. The TSA agent looked at the belt of 45 mm mag ammo wrapped around my shoulder and asked me if they contained any liquid. He waved me thru when I said no. I then went for a walk in "the hood" where someone that looked like Don Imus gave me a threatened look. Fearing for my life I started spraying 45 mm mag rounds. The first shot flattened a school. The second deflected off the street and took down a passing 747 at 30,000 feet. The rest shattered the street and caused the entire city to collapse into a big pile of rubble. It must have been those darn teflon coated, armor piercing, hollow point dum dums I handloaded. Unfortunately, a rock chip flew up and chipped my Glock 7. Now I have to apply a new super, rock hard, digital camouflage coating.

deltacharlie
April 11, 2007, 11:00 PM
Sorry, but the only thing that Mr. Glock had patented related to firearms before the Glock 17 pistol was a new type of links for machine guns. Yes, Devonai, quite right, and thank you. However, I used the word "design" not "patent".

MustangHowie
April 13, 2007, 10:26 AM
These things are great they even shoot under water!:neener:

Geronimo45
April 13, 2007, 02:09 PM
"must have been those darn teflon coated, armor piercing, hollow point dum dums I handloaded."
You need to use beeswax instead of teflon.

"Have you tried replacing the stock 4oz. trigger with NY 25# trigger?"
Regulations insisted that we use the 13# Bulgarian Triple-Stage Trigger.

VegasEgo
April 13, 2007, 02:38 PM
ya well i got my G7 water cooled.

EOTechRulesAll
April 17, 2007, 03:23 AM
I still am waiting to get mine from Germany but there are export/import issues since foreign porcelain is subject to all those regulations...

I had to save up for a month to pay for the damn thing! What a kick in the pants!

Dr.Rob
April 17, 2007, 04:50 AM
Alright, in the words of famous British Col. Graham Chapman, "This sketch is silly and I want it stopped."

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