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johncolo
April 11, 2007, 03:40 PM
Went out to shoot some today came home cleaned my xd and put the slide back on 1000 other times before and now the slide is stuck and will not slide

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CPshooter
April 11, 2007, 03:50 PM
is the slide not on the frame rails properly? that happened to me before, but i can't remember which gun of mine it happened with...

johncolo
April 11, 2007, 03:56 PM
It looks like its on the rails I layed it on its side and everything looks like it should

CountGlockula
April 11, 2007, 04:01 PM
Time to buy a Glock.

1911ShooterTJ
April 11, 2007, 04:35 PM
I can't believe that if there was something wrong with the slide rails (warping, etc), you wouldn't have noticed it when disassembling the gun for cleaning. It would be stiff to remove, or stuck on the gun entirely. I’m not sure how possible it is for slide rails to warp on a polymer gun, but would imagine it’s quite difficult. Did you notice anything wrong when removing the slide?

SWModel19
April 11, 2007, 04:38 PM
Are you saying it stuck in the locked back position, or that it is in battery and is stuck there?

If it is in battery, it sounds like a part behind the grip safety might have broken so that the pistol doesn't recognize that you're pushing the grip safety in.

What ever the problem, sounds like its time for a trip to Springfield.:(

Having to push the grip safety in to rack the slide is about the only thing I don't like about the XD - other than the fact that it is one UGLY pistol.

The Law
April 11, 2007, 04:46 PM
Time to buy a Glock.

You misspelled SIG. ;)

To the OP: I hope you can get it fixed with little drama. That's got to be a nightmare. :mad:

johncolo
April 11, 2007, 04:54 PM
Didnt notice anything when I took it apart then i put the slide back on the frame and now the slide is stuck on the frame and will not move backwards or forwards like when you pull it back to cock it thats hows its stuck on there

Shadowangel
April 11, 2007, 05:49 PM
Springfield has excellent customer service. When my ported XD 9 broke, I had a new one within a couple of weeks, they paid all the shipping, and I got two extra mags out of it.

Walkalong
April 11, 2007, 05:57 PM
Time to buy a Glock.
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Not.:)

Ditto on SA service. They will fix it and probably not charge you a thing.

Ala Dan
April 11, 2007, 06:04 PM
AGREED~! He mis-spelled SIG (Laughing Loudly:D :D :D)

GlenJ
April 11, 2007, 06:12 PM
+1 time to buy a GLOCK. Can't comment on GLOCK customer service because I've never had to use it.

Redhat
April 11, 2007, 06:25 PM
Did you put the recoil spring guide in backwards or not in the notch?

Matt King
April 11, 2007, 06:28 PM
Time to buy a Glock.

I think you meant CZ.~ :neener:

CountGlockula
April 11, 2007, 06:43 PM
No I meant GLOCK!!!:evil:

Anyways, johncolo were you able to fix it? Do you have pictures? I'd like to see the dilemma. If the slide is seriously stuck, and you can't manually loosen it with all your might; then it's time to take a trip to the 'smith.

fattsgalore
April 11, 2007, 06:43 PM
To get it off your gonna have to use force. Every ones afraid to but if it aint working you aint gonna break it.

johncolo
April 11, 2007, 06:55 PM
Well I taped the back of the slide with a wooden mallet andn nothing budged so I called springfield and got it packed up and ready to send it back to them

Mad Magyar
April 11, 2007, 07:00 PM
Check to see if you developed a crack in the frame....It's happened to me, but not with your model....A slight crack/split will hinder the slide movement....Remove grips & check it carefully....

johncolo
April 11, 2007, 07:20 PM
Um the grips dont come off

SKM&P9
April 11, 2007, 07:30 PM
A similar thing happened to my M&P 9mm full size. The recoil spring slipped off the guide just enough to jam the slide and prevent it from moving on the frame. I ended up removing the roll pins that hold the trigger assy. and trigger block in place, and lifted the slide with the attached assys. off, removed the spring and reinstalled correctly, replaced the roll pins, and slid it all back together. Not sure of the takedown procedures of the XD. And I'm still considering the 5" bi-tone in .45 ACP, since the .45 M&P still isn't available.

glockman19
April 11, 2007, 07:32 PM
+1 time to buy a GLOCK. Can't comment on GLOCK customer service because I've never had to use it.

YES. also Great Customer service. I've called them a couple of times just to ask simple questions and they have been overly heplful.

atomd
April 11, 2007, 08:24 PM
If you put the recoil spring assembly back in just a little off center (so it's not fully popped into place) or backwards it will lock up like that. People seem to do that often. There's always a thread popping up on xdtalk about it. I've never done it to mine but I can see how easy it would be to do.

barbart
April 11, 2007, 09:06 PM
Twice when my husband was cleaning his XD he put that release lever in the down position (the one you push up to take the gun apart) because it was in his way. When he put the slide back on he forgot to put the lever up and the slide hung up about 3/4" past the rear of the frame. The hang up seems to be on the right hand side of the gun - either the trigger mechanism or a piece right next to it. He used a small sharp pin-like tool to reach in there from the back about 3/4" and release it. Slide came off, put the lever in the up position and everything went back together just fine. Sorry I don't know all the technical names but I hope this helps.

Glad to hear SA has good customer service. We've just had a very unpleasant Taurus revolver incident - Taurus was NOT helpful but Sportsmans Warehouse was great. They made the deal right and we're now very happy with a S&W Classic 629 but I digress....

skud_dusty
April 11, 2007, 09:11 PM
I've put the takedown lever in the wrong position before...I felt like quite the fool:p

magnumman44
April 11, 2007, 09:23 PM
I would only take a Glock if one was given to me, and then I'd sell it for another Springfield. Has to be owner error.

default
April 11, 2007, 09:29 PM
Can't anyone here spell HK correctly? It's spelled G-L-O-C-K. :D

Seriously though, I've heard that Springfield's service is excellent, and whatever XD critics or fans have to say, this is the first time I've heard of a stuck slide on one.

johncolo
April 11, 2007, 09:37 PM
magumman44 It doesnt have to be user error man crap happens I understand that I didnt do nothing different today then I have in the past and the lever was up like it was suppose to be so dont rush to judge if you dont know

Redhat
April 11, 2007, 10:55 PM
How 'bout that recoil spring?

Desertscout
April 11, 2007, 11:15 PM
It's not THAT uncommon and your frame can be destroyed if your not careful. Here's a pic of one that was brought in for us to fix but it was already toast. The same thing happened to this guy and he got a little rough with it. Look at the rear slide rails. This is one of the many reasons that I don't like XD's. There is NO metal in the rear slide rails at all. The only metal is in the middle piece or the front rails.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Desertscout1/IMG_DamagedXDframe.jpg

Redhat
April 11, 2007, 11:18 PM
How'd that happen?

yongxingfreesty
April 11, 2007, 11:22 PM
happened to me before, it was an easy fix. i did something wrong and it wouldnt slide on. messed with it a lil and it worked again. the finish was not very good so i sold it.

Desertscout
April 11, 2007, 11:23 PM
How'd that happen?
It's not THAT uncommon and your frame can be destroyed if your not careful. Here's a pic of one that was brought in for us to fix but it was already toast. The same thing happened to this guy and he got a little rough with it.
Not to be rude but read the topic of the opening post

Redhat
April 11, 2007, 11:31 PM
Desertscout,

All the OP said was he put the slide back on like 1000 times before and now it's stuck.

My questioin was how that happened in the picture you posted?

twinhairdryers
April 11, 2007, 11:44 PM
It would take a few experts and special tools to fix a glock slide that wouldn't work. Not sure what could be wrong with an XD. My bad.

johncolo
April 11, 2007, 11:52 PM
Well I know mine didnt look like that it honestly looked fine cleaned it then when to put the slide back on and it just jamed up

RonJon
April 12, 2007, 12:11 AM
Johncolo,

I had the same thing happen to me and I solved it using the info in the XD-Talk thread I am referring you to.

To prevent a re-occurrence, pay special attention to post #20:

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20722&page=2

HTH
Ron

Desertscout
April 12, 2007, 01:08 AM
All the OP said was he put the slide back on like 1000 times before and now it's stuck.

That's all this guy said is that it got stuck and when he finally got it unstuck, that's what it looked like.

johncolo
April 12, 2007, 01:15 AM
no that pic is not my gun Im sending mine back to springfield

SWModel19
April 12, 2007, 01:26 AM
RonJon,

Thanks for the link. I read that thread and played with my XD at the same time, and now I see how it can happen if you aren't paying attention to the guide rod (easy to do!). I was able to recreate that off kilter guide rod situation and slowly pulled the slide back until it wouldn't go anymore (which was about half way back). If I had racked the slide like I normally do with the guide rod off kilter like that, it clearly would have jammed up - hard.

Plumber576
April 12, 2007, 02:28 AM
Time to buy a Glock.


There are only 2 Letters in HK...

gudel
April 12, 2007, 02:31 AM
the gun was inexpensive and all, but now you wished you bought an HK :D
well get it fixed man, and sell it.

Zeke Menuar
April 12, 2007, 06:30 AM
Deleted.

Geno
April 12, 2007, 06:41 AM
Never happened on any of the three XDs that I have owned. I did get one of my Glocks locked up like this, and I have no idea on what piece.

Redhat
April 12, 2007, 07:58 AM
That's all this guy said is that it got stuck and when he finally got it unstuck, that's what it looked like.

Did the person tell you how he got it unlocked?

possum
April 12, 2007, 08:09 AM
send it back to springfield and don't worry they will take care you. they are quite good at the customer service and support.

Desertscout
April 12, 2007, 09:14 AM
Did the person tell you how he got it unlocked?
No, hedidn't say. It looks like he had to get pretty rough with it though.

Redhat
April 12, 2007, 07:00 PM
Desertscout,

Yeah, I think you're right. I doubt any pistol would hold up to the "hammering" that one appears to have taken!

asknight
April 12, 2007, 08:52 PM
send it back to springfield and don't worry they will take care you. they are quite good at the customer service and support.

Will they fix a faulty design and put some metal in the frame-rails?

My Siglockimberugeremingtons have never done that!

JLStorm
April 12, 2007, 09:11 PM
Maybe you got a lemon. Springfield customer service is excellent, but that doesnt mean much when your gun has to go there! I have a 1911A1 loaded model that has been in customer service a few times, I will never buy another springfield no matter how great the customer service is. I have since stopped buying SA and gone with another brand and have never looked back. I personally went with HK, but there are a few brands out there with excellent reputations.

I have learned that if the first thing people praise about a gun is the excellent customer service department that stands behind it, it probably isnt something I want to buy. Now I buy guns known for their reliability and quality, not the department that fixes them when they break.

Redhat
April 12, 2007, 09:20 PM
Anyone here

You ever build something that was perfect? Mass produce anything that was perfect?

Let's hear about it.

koja48
April 12, 2007, 09:58 PM
A guy offered me a Glock one time . . . haven't spoken to him since . . .

270Win
April 13, 2007, 12:14 AM
I'm sure he's happily shooting it somewhere right now, too...

sorensen440
April 13, 2007, 03:28 AM
carefully try to push the brl forward with a small screwdriver while pulling the slide back
there may be somthing jamming it from fully closing

XDKingslayer
April 13, 2007, 02:08 PM
Will they fix a faulty design and put some metal in the frame-rails?

My Siglockimberugeremingtons have never done that!

And neither has my XD.

It's not a faulty design, there is no need for metal frame rails in the rear as they aren't load bearing.

The OP, more than likely, knocked the takedown lever back to the normal position then installed his slide which is a no-no outlined in the pistol's manual. It's a common user error.

mkonops
April 13, 2007, 02:42 PM
The OP, more than likely, knocked the takedown lever back to the normal position then installed his slide which is a no-no outlined in the pistol's manual. It's a common user error.

+1
Happens a lot

Desertscout
April 13, 2007, 03:04 PM
It's not a faulty design, there is no need for metal frame rails in the rear as they aren't load bearing.
And how is it that the front is load bearing and the rear is not?
Why is that pretty much every major manufacturer in the world has deemed it necessary to put metal in both rails if not full-length?
Are the engineers in the small Third-World country of Croatia so much more up-to-date than everyone else?

Enquiring minds want to know! :)

Daniel T
April 13, 2007, 03:26 PM
Are the engineers in the small Third-World country of Croatia so much more up-to-date than everyone else?

Probably. If you're a gun-design genius, could you tell us why the rear rails would have to be metal? And, please, none of this "it's metal; it must be better" stuff. These are tupperware guns were talking about after all.

Desertscout
April 13, 2007, 03:33 PM
You answer my questions and I'll answer yours

lee n. field
April 13, 2007, 03:41 PM
Why is that pretty much every major manufacturer in the world has deemed it necessary to put metal in both rails if not full-length?
Are the engineers in the small Third-World country of Croatia so much more up-to-date than everyone else?

Ruger makes a lot of pistols and doesn't seem to have a problem with it's plastic rails.

Daniel T
April 13, 2007, 03:46 PM
You answer my questions and I'll answer yours
Fine.

And how is it that the front is load bearing and the rear is not?
Because of the XD design.

Why is that pretty much every major manufacturer in the world has deemed it necessary to put metal in both rails if not full-length?
Because of the design of those pistols.

Are the engineers in the small Third-World country of Croatia so much more up-to-date than everyone else?
Yes.

Happy?

If you think that the rear rails need to have some sort of metal on them, even though that's never been shown to be any kind of problem, then you need to explain why. Don't just use the "BUT BOBBY DOES IT!!!" 3rd-grade argument.

The pic posted in this thread of the bunged-up rear rails was from someone "fixing" their XD, not because a problem developed while firing it.

XDKingslayer
April 13, 2007, 03:48 PM
You answer my questions and I'll answer yours

And the circle of stupidity ensues...

The front ones are metal because they also serve as the locking block. The rear ones do nothing except guide the slide but the front ones are still doing all the load bearing.

If you felt they needed to be metal, contrary to people actually educated in weapon design, then they would be failing under normal use. They are not. The ones in that picture look like that because some waterhead took a hammer to his pistol when he put it back together wrong.

RonJon
April 13, 2007, 03:57 PM
SA gives a lifetime warranty on the XDs.

So I'd just send it in and get the polymer frame replaced.

Simple?

JMHO
Ron

redactor
April 13, 2007, 05:59 PM
It is possible that you put the slide together with the barrel in the wrong place. At least with the 9mm model, I know that it is possible to jam the slide during reassembly by letting the barrel ramp fall down in between the rails of the locking block (horse-shoe shaped part attached to the frame).

If this is the case, you can use a hammer and a wooden dowel on top of the ejection port (where the barrel would normally lock to the top of the slide), and tap forward.

Don't ask me how I know.

pablo45
April 14, 2007, 02:24 AM
My buddy had this happen to him a few times. He loaded a round in the chamber and shot it. When he tried to fire again:what: .NOTHING!:mad: He tried to rack the slide back but it would not budge. No matter what we could not get the slide back and could not get the shell to eject. The gun was all messed up. He had to take it to a gun shop,where they put it in a vice and racked the hell out of it. After 5 minutes the slide finally racked and the shell came out with the ejector. The ejector had broke off into the chamber when he racked the slide to chamber a round. He sent it back to Springfield and he had it fixed. After a month he got it back:cuss: . I think he should of sold it after that experience but he kept it. 3 months later he had the same thing happen to him. I thought it was the ammo or something, but nothing was different. It was factory winchester 230gr ball. I don't know why he still will not just sell it:banghead: and get something else.

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