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billhilly66
April 11, 2007, 05:01 PM
Where do I go to find a reasonable deal on a S&W M&P? I’d like a pre 10 if I can find one in good shape and cheap enough and while I’m at it, I’d like the long-throw and round butt too. Any ideas?

Gunbroker has them but most seem over priced or pitted. I just recently got a bug for one of these old revolvers and I was thinking $200 or so on the price. Thoughts?

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P95Carry
April 11, 2007, 06:59 PM
Somehow I think you'll have to bide your time but possibly your best chance might be at a gun show.

That said you may have to pay quite a high price for a good one if found. Old Fuff if he sees this thread might well be able to provide you with some expert opinion, as also might Ala Dan.

Ala Dan
April 11, 2007, 07:14 PM
From time too time, I get the S&W M&P model 10's in assorted barrel
lengths; and most of the time I can afford to pass these along at an
attractive price. Most common barrel length seems to be the 4"; but
I have had some with a 2" and 5" barrel; that sold from $160-225
dependent on condition. The most rare in my area is the 6" barrel
length; and any "S&W Pre-model 10" would command a slight more
in price. If you would like, I will keep my eye out for one in really
good mechanical condition; and let you know what I find by PM?

BTW, most of the ones I have found lately come by way of bank
security details; having been carried a lot, and shot very little.
Some of the older security guards retire, and usually the bank
has upgraded their weaponary; so they in turn sell the old M&P's
to us, or trade 'em in on a 9m/m.

Old Fuff
April 11, 2007, 08:36 PM
A lot depends on where you're at when it comes to local market conditions. (Note Ala Dan's comments). Internet auctions are often way overpriced, and I notice the seller's often don't get any bids. As a rule of thumb, the longer 5 and 6 inch barrel lengths are less popular then the shorter 2 and 4 inch ones.

While there are exceptions, most of the long-action/round butt Military & Police revolvers were made before World War Two. These are being discovered by collectors as well as shooters, and that's driving prices up. If you want a shooter with a good bore and in good shape expect a price between $250 and $350 - unless you get lucky. That last time that happened to me it was at a pawn shop, but in this area that seldom happens.

If you are very lucky you may find one that's finish worn, but has a clean barrel and chambers - and locks up like a bank vault. That would be your $200 or less revolver.

You might watch (www.armchairgunshow.com) sometimes expensive but always dependable.

XavierBreath
April 11, 2007, 08:42 PM
Give RM Vivas & Son, LLC (http://www.vivasandson.com/) a call if you cannot find any locally.

http://www.vivasandson.com/indeximage.jpg

billhilly66
April 11, 2007, 08:56 PM
Thanks! Wow they've got a bunch of em. I'll be giving them a call in the morning.

Reddbecca
April 11, 2007, 08:57 PM
Good God those are a lot of Colts.

Old Fuff
April 11, 2007, 08:58 PM
Ah.... those in front are Colt's.... :eek:

On the other hand at the far end of the line... :evil:

(The Old Fuff, who has his spy-glass out... :D )

Ala Dan
April 11, 2007, 09:23 PM
Could the far end be the inevitable Taurus models~? :scrutiny: :eek: :uhoh:

Old Fuff
April 11, 2007, 09:25 PM
Don't think so. :scrutiny:

More likely early 1950's S&W short actions.... :what:

GRIZ22
April 11, 2007, 09:31 PM
Thanks! Wow they've got a bunch of em. I'll be giving them a call in the morning.

The photo is of Colts. The website does have Model10s listed at some reasonable prices.

XavierBreath
April 11, 2007, 09:32 PM
R.M.Vivas is a member of the S&W forum who posts there frequently and has a very good reputation. This particular picture is of one cache of revolvers he bought from a New York security firm last year. Many have been liquidated, but he always has some at great prices. Here is the thread (http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/530103904/m/6731097141/p/1) on this particular find, with more pics.

The rear guns are M&Ps Grizz.........Here are more.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=56409&stc=1&d=1176338395

Ichiro
April 11, 2007, 09:43 PM
How much for everything in that picture?

billhilly66
April 11, 2007, 10:28 PM
They haven't updated the site since Feb. I didn't see that when I was looking at what they had listed.

XavierBreath
April 11, 2007, 10:41 PM
They are a small family outfit. They don't update frequently, but they have a line on almost anything. They have a lot of stock that sells before they can add it to the website. They are honest, and know their stuff. They won't send you a Model 10 if you ask for a transitional M&P. Give them a call in the AM and see if they have what you want. It couldn't hurt.

billhilly66
April 11, 2007, 10:43 PM
I will and thanks again for the link!

billhilly66
April 12, 2007, 03:14 PM
Well I called him this morning and have a nice 1950's M&P with my name on it awaiting the arrival of my $$$ and FFL. Thanks for the help fellas!

Almost forgot. He's also going to be on the lookout for a victory for me and call when he finds one. We talked for about 20 min. or so. Couldn't hope to find a nicer guy!

Old Fuff
April 12, 2007, 03:17 PM
You'd better not be so happy... :( :( :( :(

Those guns are adictive. :evil: :D :D

billhilly66
April 12, 2007, 03:46 PM
Ha! I'm using them to try and kick the Mauser habit.:D

Old Fuff
April 12, 2007, 04:13 PM
Ha! I'm using them to try and kick the Mauser habit.

You are obviously beyond hope... :neener: :D

Deanimator
April 12, 2007, 04:19 PM
Give RM Vivas & Son, LLC a call if you cannot find any locally.
I bought a well worn ex-NYPD M&P from them right after Christmas. The gun was exactly as advertised. I found them good people to deal with.

Now if they'd just get in some Official Polices as in the picture...

robert garner
April 12, 2007, 04:32 PM
Wifeys good so here we go!
and I don't see any recuperative qualities here Youre jus' gonna develope two habits!
robert

jad0110
April 12, 2007, 05:04 PM
Hly crp! I drooed on my kybrd so soe of te kes dn't wok! :D :evil: :what:

Will5A1
April 12, 2007, 05:04 PM
Mr. billhilly, you don't know what you've got yourself into - older S&W's are about as addictive as crack, there is no known cure and the more you buy and learn about them the more you want.

billhilly66
April 12, 2007, 05:18 PM
I've been beyond hope for a while now. It started with Mausers but apparently, they are just a “gateway gun” because I soon developed a 1911 habit which somehow led to a model 70 CRF habit. Then of course, I had to get into reloading to support and feed my “little friends”. I fooled around and picked up a K-22 a while back and that’s how I came to be interested in the old S&W’s. I know, I should probably start going to meetings. “Hello, my name is billhilly and I’m ……………………

Old Fuff
April 12, 2007, 06:01 PM
Well you came to the right place if you're looking to attend a meeting... :evil: :D

HeedJSU
April 13, 2007, 01:32 AM
Are those model 10's considered a k frame? ie, would my Safariland Comp 3's work on an old model 10? if so, this may be what I'm looking for in an IDPA gun....

Justin

ugaarguy
April 13, 2007, 01:54 AM
Are those model 10's considered a k frame? ie, would my Safariland Comp 3's work on an old model 10? if so, this may be what I'm looking for in an IDPA gun....

Justin
Justin the M&P (later the Model 10) is indeed the original K Frame. Also, yes, all .38 & .357 Ks will use the same speedloaders.

Now for an IDPA gun you might want to look at a K-38 Combat Masterpiece. The K-38 started life as a long barreled target revolver with Patridge type front blade and micro click adjustable rear. It was known as the K-38 Target Masterpiece. Soon after the FBI, LAPD and others wished for a modified version that was more suited to duty use.

S&W made their dreams come true by keeping the adjustable rear sight, shortening the bbl, and adding a Baughman style ramped front sight that wouldn't catch on a holster under rapid draw. Thus the K-38 Combat Masterpiece was born. The Target guns became the Model 14 and the Combat guns the Model 15 (though there are custom ordered 14s and 15s which have the bbl and sight options of the other). The M15 was the standard issue sidearm of the LAPD for many years.

For IDPA use I'd look for a nice M15 (or it's stainless version the M67) with their clearer and easier to aquire sight picture. A later M10 with heavy bbl. and wider front ramp would still be a step above the early M10s with their narrow half moon front sights.

Hopefully that all helps. Billhilly sorry to add more fuel to the addiction :evil: by answering Justin's question.

HeedJSU
April 13, 2007, 02:00 AM
Thanks for the info. I've got an old model 19-4 that I'm using right now, but it was my grandfather's pistol, and I would hate for something to happen to it. I've got the IDPA setup for it, but I want something I'm a little less attached to to carry to competitions and abuse and such.

Justin

greener
April 13, 2007, 07:51 AM
If they shoot like this one, I'd be very happy with a couple more.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/greener6/DSC02290.jpg

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