I have a lady friend that happens to be a Southpaw.
Looking for advice/experience on 9MM, 40S&W, or .45ACP Left-hand friendly concealable Autos for CCW. Mid-size frame is a plus.
She is USMC and has experience with firearms, recoil is not a primary concern.
Ambidextrous suggestions are also very welcome.
If you enjoyed reading about "Semi for Lefties?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
April 11, 2007, 05:09 PM
I am a lefty my suggestion is HK P2000 or P2000sk either 9mm or 40 whichever she prefers. Both have left hand everything and a recoil reduction system, which is real nice. Get the LEM trigger with Night sights.
April 11, 2007, 05:14 PM
+1 for the P2000 or SK. My wife (a lefty) was VERY pleased to see a manuf. make a truly ambi gun! I have the V3 (DA/SA) in 9mm and like it quite a bit.
April 11, 2007, 05:41 PM
I'm a lefty myself (and former USMC, too) and my favorite pistol is a 1911 with ambidextrous safety. It's a Para LDA and I had to have the ambi safety retrofitted, but many fine 1911s come so equipped from the factory. I find it more natural to work the mag release with my index finger than my thumb, so that control was never a problem.
I used to have a 9mm P99, it has an ambi mag release, no affirmative safety and is a fine gun; I just found it uncomfortable for concealed carry because of the width. And, of course, Glocks are pretty control neutral, too.
April 11, 2007, 05:56 PM
HK P7 is a pretty good choice for lefties; pay a bit up front for quite a bit of shooting pleasure down the road. The PSP's, with their heel mag release are especially left-hand friendly.
April 11, 2007, 05:58 PM
Southpaw friendly guns would include the old Walther P38, P1,P4 and the Walther P5 series guns all eject to the left. The heel release is easy for lefties. The Walther P88 and the compact had ambi safeties. Unfortunately all are out of production but plenty of surplus P1s are out there at very reasonable prices right now. The Walther P99 series, Beretta 92, and many others have ambi safeties as well.
April 11, 2007, 08:10 PM
In lefty friendly guns, I like HK's P2000 line, USP/USPc and Glocks.
April 11, 2007, 08:17 PM
I carry and shoot a Springfield Loaded 1911 that has an with ambi safety. It is full size so may be a little larger than what you're (she's) looking for. On the other hand the 1911 is a slim profile. Springfield also makes a Loaded champion which is a 4 inch version and weighs in at 28 or 30 oz, compared to 38 for the full size.
I use my trigger finger for the mag release with no problem, (and I'm not overly coordinated so this should be no problem for a lady)
April 11, 2007, 08:24 PM
FN HiPowers and 1911s can both sport ambi-safties.
April 11, 2007, 08:46 PM
I am a lefty.
Although I have no problem operating weapons set up for a righty, I've found that the Smith and Wesson M&P (available in full size and/or compact) both are very ambi-friendly. I have a fulll size 9mm and love it. Has an ambi slide release and swappable mag release. I left the mag release on mine set up for a righty, as I have grown accustomed to using my middle finger on my left hand to release the mag very naturally.
The M&P is at a very good price point right now in many places. They were running $399 in my location until about a week ago. Fantastic value.
They are only available in 9 and 40 right now (.357sig may also be out in the full size models). The 45 full size is supposedly shipping currently and expected to hit shelves at any time.
Just a thought. Good luck to you and your friend.
April 11, 2007, 08:57 PM
April 11, 2007, 10:05 PM
The CZ-85 is an option.
April 11, 2007, 10:13 PM
I like the following for their lefty friendly features.
Beretta 92 or Taurus PT92
S&W 6900 series
1911 with ambi safety is great choice.
April 11, 2007, 10:13 PM
The XD lineup. No ambi slide release, but most use slingshot anyway. Ambi mag release though!
April 11, 2007, 10:21 PM
There are a number of good quality handgun models out there with lefties in mind, all of the suggestions so far are great, but keep in mind that these are few and far between, and she should at least try opperating handguns that don't fall into the super lefty category. I mean try Glocks, Sigs, Hk's or anything except models with single sided thumb safeties. Here is where the CZ 85 comes into play perfectly compared to the 75 model. A 1911 or BHP has to have an ambi, no questions asked for her. My index finger works great for the slide stop, mag release, decocker, etc. I just adapted to the designs like all other left handed people.
April 11, 2007, 10:26 PM
There aren't alot of pistols out there these days that, IMO, can't be used fairly effectively by a lefty with the inclusion of an ambidextrous safety (on certain models). Personally I find the 1911's controls very easy to use as a southpaw, and most modern polymer framed pistols are virtually guaranteed to be useable by lefties. The only major brand I have issues with is SIG: their rearward positioning of the slide release makes it more or less impossible for me to manipulate without using my right hand (this is also a bit of a problem on a few other short semi-autos).
April 11, 2007, 10:39 PM
+1 on the 1911, from another southpaw. Granted, a southpaw redesigning it a little to make it more efficient for his personal style, but still a southpaw Disciple of St. John Moses.
April 11, 2007, 10:45 PM
Beretta Px4 Storm 40cal or 9mm works for both right and left handed shooters.
Works well for me in the 40cal, here is a link for the specks..
Easly converted to a G-model (decock only) if safety-decock is not desired, as it comes in F models.
Let's see, southpaw friendly guns I have shot and would endorse:
Springfield Armory XD45 Compact (w/ full length mag and sleeve)
FN High Power Mark 3
RIA 1911 with ambi safety
Springfield Armory XD45 Compact (w/ compact mag)
FM M95 Detective
April 12, 2007, 12:56 AM
She's got experience with Beretta M9s...
Reverse the magazine release IF she so desires, and she's all set to go. She'll already have an ambi safety, left-handed magazine release, and doesn't need the slide release to be set-up for left handed operation (she should be trained to slingshot the slide anyways).
April 12, 2007, 01:21 AM
As a lefty, I find Sig and Glock easy to use. I hit the mag catch (both) and decocker (sig) with my trigger finger, and slingshot the slide, no problem.
In fact I actually consider my methods as a lefty to be more universally effective than a right hander using the controls as intended.
April 12, 2007, 01:31 AM
Beretta 92, Glock 30, and SA 1911 no ambi(haven't put one on yet) work well for me. I have just gotten used to using my trigger finger to flip the thumb safety as i draw it. Doesn't really cause a delay it getting on target. By the way anyone have a Highly polished Stainless Ambisafety for a SA 1911A1???Just thought I would throw that in also.:neener: (seriously though)
April 12, 2007, 02:20 AM
Check out the Ruger P-series, available in 9mm, .40, & .45 cals. Ambidextrous safety/decock, ambi mag release, right side casing discharge. They are on the large side though, so they may not be an option.
April 12, 2007, 02:27 AM
are there any guns that spits out to the left? (if they can make car with steering wheel on the right... surely it's easy with a gun!)
April 12, 2007, 02:30 AM
That's what I'm trying to redesign the 1911 to do. Same great Browning ergonomics and aesthetics, just ejecting in a new direction--and compatible with standard 1911 magazines!
I've chopped some concept diagrams at http://photobucket.com/l119/Diamondback6/1911/.
April 12, 2007, 06:02 AM
That's what I'm trying to redesign the 1911 to do.
It's already been done, though the company is no longer in business (or at least doesn't make a left version anymore) If I get a chance I'll post the info I've seen on it. Also Dlask from Canada is supposed to be releasing a Lefty 1911 next year.
April 12, 2007, 09:13 AM
HK P2000 or HK P2000sk.
April 12, 2007, 10:38 AM
Steyr M9/40.........excellent pistols...and Glock.......both pistols don't have any switches, levers, buttons you have to push to make it go bang when you pull the trigger........chris3
April 12, 2007, 10:24 PM
Rotorflyr, I'm not talking about a Randall/Portsider mirror-image, but blending the Portsider and standard together to create a true 1-handed fighting pistol.
Only thing you need the other hand for is stuffing a mag up the well...
For the right-hand counterpart, the plan is to cut the standard mag-catch and use an ambi mag release.
April 12, 2007, 10:35 PM
I think most right handed guns work well for southpaws and yes, I'm a southpaw and I own a couple of Randall Southpaws myself.
Here's what I like about right hand ejection. Failure Drill is Tap, Rack, Ready, right? The Rack action involves rotating the gun to its side to facilitate dropping the round. Well, for right handed folks, rotating the gun clockwise (shooter's view) is awkward and goes against the body's natural range of motions. Try it and see for yourself. Now, do it with the gun in the left hand. It's perfectly natural. The ejection port is rotated clockwise towards the ground. Righthanders rotate it counter-clockwise, which is natural but unless it's open top like a Beretta, doesn't really bring the ejection port down such that it faces the ground. The advantage then is with the left handed person.
Safety? Well, I dislike thumb operated safetys that aren't ambidextrious. Right handed advantage. However, some guns it doesn't matter like the Sig P220-229 series and the Glocks. No externally operated safety. Granted that the Sig family has a decocking lever which drops the hammer safely, but that can be operated with the trigger finger (that's how I decock my Sig P220).
Magazine release. It should be switchable but if it isn't, the southpaw trains him/herself to use the finger (either trigger or index, depending on dexterity and hand size).
Slide release. Well, you don't use it if you can avoid it. If you must release the slide, you use the "rack" part of the Failure Drill. Keep your exercises simple and minimize them to keep it simple. So, if you must release the slide, use what you're already trained for.
Diamondback6 - don't switch the ejection port to the portside. It doesn't work in a southpaw's advantage for the Failure Drill. For my Colt 1911, I used a factory ambidextrious safety and was happy enough to leave it alone afterwards. O.K. I did a trigger job.
April 12, 2007, 10:48 PM
For a nice, inexpensive ambi 9mm take a look at the Bersa Thunder 9 Ultracompact (http://www.bersafirearmsusa.com/detail_bersa9.php). Ambi slide release and decocker/safety and the mag release is reversible.
The Thunder 9UC is a great pistol at a a great price (I paid $350 OTD each for my three).
April 12, 2007, 11:03 PM
I am a lefty.
When I first got into shooting several years ago, I spent some time looking for left handed mag catches, slide releases, and safeties. Experience has taught me better and the words of Jeff Cooper regarding how the 1911 controls are actually set up better for the left hander (left side safety aside) pushed me over the edge.
1) Magazine Release: The magazine release is best actuated by the trigger finger. It’s faster, requires less grip adjustment, and is safer because if your finger is on the mag release, it’s not on the trigger...
2) Slide Release/Stop: The slide release/stop is best put someplace where it is out of the way. For completion shooting, you never run the gun dry so speed is moot. For more serious pistol work where gloves may be involved, your best bet is to rack the slide by hand. Also for serious pistol work, you want that slide to lock back when you are empty and having the stop on the left side for a left handed shooter keeps those pesky thumbs off the lever.
3) Safety: The safety needs to be an ambi or reversible. This is one place where some guns are simply right handed only.
4) Decocker: The decocker is nothing that you need to get to in a hurry. It is best if the decocker is generally out of the way so that you don’t accidentally decock the gun when firing. That said, I don’t use DA/SA guns and don’t believe in the concept in general so I can’t say I have much experience with them.
5) Ejection: There are pros and cons to having the ejection port on either side. As a lefty, I have never had a right side ejection port spit brass at me. Furthermore, if something gets jammed I have a better view into the port and easier access to rip something out or generally muck with it.
Off topic: rifles, shotguns, and carbines are different. I shoot left handed bolt actions, ambi Mossberg shotguns, and a left handed AR.