Need Help with Glock FTE's


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sefus
April 12, 2007, 12:27 AM
Never had one hickup in my G22 till today and it barfed all over itself so I need alittle insight from those who have more experience than I do.
I'll give the info I can think of that is relevant:
Very clean gun, has shot various rounds but have been burning up a bunch of Wolf 165 FMJ for most of the guns life which is probably 500-700 rounds. Today after a mag spring on a +5 extened mag fell apart on me, I did a mag change and after 3 or 4 rounds I had a jam of a round trying to chamber while the last case was still in the barrel. I thought it was a mag problem so I cleared the gun and tried another mag, same thing after 4 rounds. I stupidly didnt drop the mag and clear but just tried working the slide then droped the mag and it locked up tight. After field stripping, clearing the case that was REALLY tight in the barrel, and a quick swab, I tried another few rounds with the exact same results and consequences.
After that clear I switched to my spare carry mag with 180 Winchester FMJ's and it shot them all just fine but when I checked my brass they were dented near the case edge (where the bullet would seat). Not huge but dented enough to make them non perfect circles when you look at them right on. I checked my Wolf brass (the stuff that was prior to the jams although now I'm thinking it could have been the brass pile from my Sub2000 I also shot today) and they were round and just fine. I striped it again and there were some brass shavings in the barrel after the Winchester rounds were fed.
I decided a while ago to stop shooting the Wolf stuff but still have/had some to burn, I wont be running it again in the Glock but am trying to figure out why now would it start not to like that stuff. Just really want to figure out if it is a gun thing or an ammo thing since I dont think its a mag thing. The gun itself looks normal to my amature inspection, what do the internet wizards have to say? Thanks!

-Sefus

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glockman19
April 12, 2007, 01:51 AM
The ponly FTE issues I've had was that the shells ejected directly back hitting me in the face, forehead & eye. I called Glock and Herbert suggested taking teh backof a plastic pen and pushing the ejector ut to reset the berrings. I did it and lubed it with a drop of oil and only had one issue. It's didn't matter what mag I used round 8 & or ( would eject back and hit me in the face. NOT good for follow up shots. Try pushing the ejector out if it doesn't work I'd send it back to Glock. Theysaid tha tejector issues can be turned around and fixed in 3 weeks. I'd rather do that then have a $600 gun that doesn't work.

I have these issues with a Glock 26, my 19 never a problem 2,00 rounds no ftf, fte or other.

mrcpu
April 12, 2007, 02:31 AM
Uh, glocks are perfect guns. Any problems you're having are entirely yours, and your fault, because I knew a guy who had a glock that never broke. I'm asking the mods to close this thread to avoid any issues...

:)

gudel
April 12, 2007, 02:36 AM
to glockman, I had similar issue with my G21 after firing a case of Wolf 230gr. Turned out the tip of the ejector got messed up somehow. Polymer coated soft steel casing my ...
I replaced the ejector, and no more shooter's brass. I quit shooting that crap.

to OP, if you get ftfeed, i hate to say it, it's probably limpwristing.

Steve C
April 12, 2007, 02:42 AM
Wolf pistol ammo is coated, the earlier ammo with lacquer and the later ammo with a polymer. Get the gun too hot and the lacquer has been known to accumulate in the chamber causing subsequent rounds to seize tight in the chamber. This can result a failure like you describe.

Clean the chamber well, bore solvent isn't going to remove the deposits. A chamber brush can be used or I've used a bore brush along with some "0" or "00" steel wool wrapped around it chucked in an electric drill. Get that chamber polished bright and your problems will likely go away.

As gudel mentioned, check the extractor to make sure it isn't chipped or broken.

glockman19
April 12, 2007, 11:50 AM
Thanks

CountGlockula
April 12, 2007, 01:11 PM
It's the Wolf ammo, stay away from that stuff.

Regarding:
...Winchester FMJ's and it shot them all just fine but when I checked my brass they were dented near the case edge (where the bullet would seat).

Check the ejector and extractor; what do you see?

sefus
April 12, 2007, 04:42 PM
The extractor seems to look and push out like normal, but (and I dont know how I missed this before) there are two gouges in the slide rails right nearly centered in the ejection port. I attached some pics of the gouges. thoughts?
Oh and sorry for the dirty gun, havent scrubbed it down yet.

CountGlockula
April 12, 2007, 06:50 PM
I don't think the gouges on the slide rail is not a big deal...just your average wear and tear.

It looks like you have a Generation I Glock 22.

heypete
April 12, 2007, 07:22 PM
Wolf pistol ammo is coated, the earlier ammo with lacquer and the later ammo with a polymer. Get the gun too hot and the lacquer has been known to accumulate in the chamber causing subsequent rounds to seize tight in the chamber.

People repeatedly mention this, but not once have I seen any sort of evidence that cartridges sticking in the chamber were due to the coating melting off or otherwise accumulating in the chamber.

Old lacquer coated Wolf had a ring of red sealant around the case neck where it held the bullet. This was waxy and would blow off, and could cause these issues. They stopped using that on the lacquer stuff years ago, and it's not used on the polymer stuff at all.

I've shot a few hundred rounds of polycoated Wolf .223 in a full-auto M16 in a minute or two, and the barrel was very hot. Flawless functioning. Examining the spent cases, they had no missing coating. I left an unfired round in the hot chamber for a minute or so, then ejected it. No missing coating.

I read, either here or in some other board...it's been a while, that someone applied the flame from a torch to spent Wolf casings, both lacquered and polycoated. After several minutes in the flame, the coatings did not come off.

There are several reasons why Wolf ammo might not work, usually involving long, relatively straightwalled cases like .223 Remington, as there's more area to grip onto the chamber. Tapered cases like 7.62x39mm help minimize the problem. Still, I've fired thousands of rounds of Wolf .223, 7.62x39mm, 9mm, .45 ACP, .380, and .308 in various guns and they've almost always functioned exactly as I'd expected. I think I had one with a bad primer, and one stovepipe. That's about it. Maybe I'm just lucky? :D My AR gobbles up Wolf .223 like there's no tomorrow. Still, I'm trying to build up brass reserves for reloading, and have switched to slightly more expensive brass-cased stuff...it costs me more now, but makes life cheaper in the future.

More on topic though, I'd check the feed ramp and chamber to see if there's any rough spots, tool marks, or other issues where a round might bind up. Maybe the shape of the 165gr bullets is different from the 180grs, and that might be causing issues like this? Definitely unusual, that's for sure.

deltacharlie
April 12, 2007, 07:36 PM
First question, take no offece b/c I gotta ask, when did you last break-down the piece? I mean a complete disassembly. When you reassembled it, are you sure you put everything back correctly? Like I said, take no offence at that but sometimes we (myself included) have missed a small detail.

Anyway, things that come to mind that I'd try, in order
1. change extractor or give the old one a good once over with the a brush & dental pick
2. give your piece a thorough cleaning and a twenty-five cent trigger job...do you own a dremel or similar tool? Also, go ahead and polish the head of the extractor-depressor plunger, the part that goes in through the slide and holds the extractor. And make double sure you put it back in correctly.
3. change the mainspring
4. get new springs for mags, they should be changed once a year with "normal" use, according to most Glock armorers and the like
5. shoot safe!!

Hope these posts help you out.

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