Ballistic gelatin test results : 32H&R Magnum


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Brass Fetcher
April 13, 2007, 04:28 AM
Special thanks to SB for providing the gun and ammunition for the test.

Cartridge : Federal Personal Defense Handgun 85gr JHP (Part # C32HRB)

Firearm : Ruger Blackhawk .32H&R Magnum with 5.5" barrel length

Block Calibration : All depths corrected (From 12.5cm @ 603 ft/sec)

Shot 1 - Impacted at 1081 ft/sec, penetrated to 13.3" and was recovered at 0.407" average diameter.

Shot 2 - Impacted at 1022 ft/sec, penetrated to 13.3"+ and was recovered at 0.375" average diameter. The '+' indicates that the bullet actually traveled out of the back of the block and traveled some distance into the bullet stop box.

Shot 3 - Impacted at unrecorded velocity, penetrated to 13.3"+ and was recovered at 0.381" average diameter. The '+' indicates that the bullet actually traveled out of the back of the block and traveled some distance into the bullet stop box.

Shot 4 - Impacted at unrecorded velocity, penetrated to 13.3"+ and was recovered at 0.371" average diameter. The '+' indicates that the bullet actually traveled out of the back of the block and traveled some distance into the bullet stop box.

The velocities for shots 3 and 4 were not recorded because shot placement from 10' was starting to become unsatisfactory (shots were overlapping and those results were discarded) - shots 3 and 4 were fired from a distance of 4 feet to insure that only undamaged portions of block were shot.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=56513&stc=1&d=1176449143

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Waywatcher
April 13, 2007, 04:31 AM
I was always wondering if those little rounds opened up. Nice! I wonder how much different it would be out of a 2" barrel?

loplop
April 13, 2007, 07:56 AM
+1 Waywatcher; the S&W 432PD looks like a nice little piece.

Has it been discontinued? I went to fetch an image off S&W, and it's gone...

Dain Bramage
April 14, 2007, 12:57 PM
The S&W .32 mag snubs have been gone for over a year now. I managed to snag one of the last 431PDs for my wife in Jan, 2006. Asked three dealers before one was able to find a distributor that had it.

Snowdog
April 15, 2007, 11:02 AM
Excellent work, JE223!

nero45acp
April 15, 2007, 12:00 PM
Thanks, JE223. I carry a S&W 432PD (loaded with the very same ammo you tested), and I've been wanting to see some ballistic gelatin test results with that cartridge.


nero

461
April 15, 2007, 08:56 PM
I love the .32Mag. I've got a 3" SP-101, a 5.5" adjustable sighted Single-Six and a Marlin levergun in it and they are all a ton of fun. I missed out on the Smiths and am actively looking for one here in CA.

Great cartridge that is sadly ignored by most manufacturers.

loplop
April 16, 2007, 11:04 AM
I'll have to buy one before they disappear.

How is the "kick" compared to a 38 spl? My wife is quite recoil sensitive, and the Airweight snubs aren't her choice to shoot. Her Mod 36 (steel) is about as much as she can reliably handle.

Brass Fetcher
April 16, 2007, 12:29 PM
While looking through some old test results...

I think that it is safe to say that the .32NAA is the ballistic twin of the .32H&R magnum, as tested. With handloads, it's possible to propel the 85gr Hornady XTP to 925-975 ft/sec, out of a 2.75" long .32NAA barrel.

Anyways, just thought that I would throw that out there for discussion... Now if Kel-Tec would only make the P3AT in .32NAA .... 7 shots of .32H&R magnum performance in a 8 ounce gun... ...!

loplop
April 16, 2007, 03:32 PM
Too bad there's no good performing SD ammo available in factory loads for 32 NAA. The CorBon didn't impress me in your tests, penetration was very shallow. :uhoh:

Brass Fetcher
April 16, 2007, 08:38 PM
+1. Cor-Bon .32NAA, as it was loaded when I tested it, is a poor example of the capabilities of this cartridge. All that they had to do was to substitute a 71gr (or heavier), limited expansion JHP for the fragmentation-prone 60gr XTP that they went with. Simple substitution of bullets and we go from 'just pissing them off' to an IWBA-compliant self-defense round.

And the bottleneck of the .32NAA cartridge will improve feed reliability in mouseguns, something in my experience, that is a welcome change.

ugaarguy
April 17, 2007, 01:00 AM
While looking through some old test results...

I think that it is safe to say that the .32NAA is the ballistic twin of the .32H&R magnum, as tested. With handloads, it's possible to propel the 85gr Hornady XTP to 925-975 ft/sec, out of a 2.75" long .32NAA barrel.
+1. Cor-Bon .32NAA, as it was loaded when I tested it, is a poor example of the capabilities of this cartridge. All that they had to do was to substitute a 71gr (or heavier), limited expansion JHP for the fragmentation-prone 60gr XTP that they went with. Simple substitution of bullets and we go from 'just pissing them off' to an IWBA-compliant self-defense round.
I wonder if our friend Mr. Sundles is reading this? What could Buffalo Bore do with the round?

loplop
April 17, 2007, 08:49 AM
Good point, because I won't carry handloads, and a properly-loaded factory bullet would make that an attractive platform.

I would actually really like to see what can be done with the 25NAA. That platform is much smaller than the larger framed 32NAA/380 gun.

RyanM
April 17, 2007, 11:52 PM
Not bad. Looks like that'd do much better than a .38 SPL wadcutter for a reduced recoil load. For someone who will absolutely never use .38 +Ps, a gun in .32 H&R may not be that bad a choice.

chipp
April 18, 2007, 08:41 PM
loplop I just saw a couple 431 at a local shop in Pa. With hammers. or is that the 432?

wileyj
April 19, 2007, 12:07 AM
Fountain Firearms in Houston, TX shows about 9 or 10 431PD's and a 432PD
http://www.fountainfirearms.com/
281-561-8447

<no relationship to the shop. i have no vested interest in the shop> It is just one that I use and have bought from

71Commander
April 19, 2007, 08:49 AM
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/cb28fce4.jpg

S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
April 19, 2007, 10:53 AM
Wow, excellent test. This means that my 1895 Nagant revolver is now a reasonable backup home defense gun, since it shoots .32 H&R Magnum nicely.

Alan Fud
April 19, 2007, 09:01 PM
Folks, the 432 is a .38 special. The 332 is the .32magnum.

71Commander
April 19, 2007, 09:03 PM
432PD is a hammerless 32 H&R mag. 431PD is a exposed hammer 32 H&R mag, as pictured above.

DMK
April 20, 2007, 08:44 AM
Wow, that round does much better than I expected. It looks like a better choice than .380 or 9x18 to me.

Alan Fud
April 20, 2007, 10:03 AM
432PD is a hammerless 32 H&R mag. 431PD is a exposed hammer 32 H&R mag, as pictured above.I've got both of them sitting right here in front of me ...

http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f115.jpg

... the 332 has ".32 H&R MAG" on the barrel and the 432 has ".38 SPL +P" on the barrel.

nero45acp
April 20, 2007, 10:46 AM
I own a 432PD, and it's definitely chambered in .32H&R Magnum.

http://gunblast.com/WBell_SW32s.htm


nero

71Commander
April 20, 2007, 11:09 AM
The 431PD pictured above is mine. 431 is exposed hammer, 432PD is hammerless.

432PD
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188636666.html

Alan Fud
April 20, 2007, 11:36 AM
I stand corrected ...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=56878&stc=1&d=1177079701

... the model 332 is a .32 caliber and the 342 is a .38 caliber. I apologize.

Dain Bramage
April 20, 2007, 11:49 AM
S'okay, Alan. I get S&W dyslexia all the time too!:D

71Commander
April 20, 2007, 11:49 AM
No problem I thought it might be a 342. Here's mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tucker13/a00aa06d.jpg

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