[TimboKhan]

Purely for fun, I thought I would start up another of these fantasy threads in which we discuss guns that we always thought would be cool, but never got made. In the spirit of the thread, you may mention guns that were produced in small quantities (that is, "Rare" guns) but are very hard to find or you may simply list a dream gun or a gun you know about that never got off the drawing board.

For me, it's pretty simple. I always thought a .357 in a 1911 frame would be sweet, and those that have shot Coonans (which I have literally never seen) affirm that this is so.

[Heavy Metal Hero]

I was always partial to a short barrelled lever-action shotgun (20ga maybe?). Something without a stock.

[trickyasafox]

kel-tec folding 22 camp rifle.

[Mooseman]

Double stack 1911 in 7.62x25

[ZeSpectre]

That heat seeking rocket pistol form the movie "Runaway" was pretty cool but I have to say that the "Deep Sleep" pistol from "Logan's Run". (http://www.racprops.com/issue4/logansrun_dspistol/)That has got to be my all time favorite "unreal" gun.

[yhtomit]

trickyasafox suggested a .22LR folding camp rifle from Kel-Tec, and that's certainly one I'd like to see. In fact, I hope that one day Kel-Tec can have a nice family of rifles in the SU-2000 mold in .22, 9mm (they make it in .40), and . 45.

(Having just looked over their website again, I notice that there are more varieties of the Kel-Tec .223 rifles than I realized -- good for them.)

Another two things I'd like to see from Kel-Tec:

1) a P11-style pistol in .45. Surely they could put at least 6 rounds in the same size frame, or perhaps a half-inch longer if that would appreciably speed up the bullet.

2) A frame just a bit more ergonomically shaped -- I have no (deep) desire for a Makarov because I'd rather stick with ultra-common (rather than merely common) ammunition, but I find the grip shape is one of the most comfortable I've ever held. The P11 is pretty close in overall size, but I wish it had a hand-fitting curve like the Makarov does.

timothy

[Rembrandt]

A stainless steel Smith & Wesson Model 41.......


....of course the legendary .45 caliber Luger....

http://www.lugerforum.com/images/45Lugerrightside.jpg

[cslinger]

7 shot Ruger GP100, 3inch, fixed sight channel, front night sight.
SIG P232 in 9x19mm.
HKP7M7

[boomer1911a1]

And in addition, as long as we're dreaming, a C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser in .45 ACP... with detachable box magazines in 7-, 14- and 21-round capacities.

Rembrandt: Is that an actual example of the legendary .45 ACP Luger prototype, or a Photoshop approximation?

[glockman19]

Glock 9mm. G17/19/26/34

Best Rifle AK47. Sorry AR guys

[DogBonz]

An M1 Carbine in .223 or 10mm

[johndoe1027]

Single stack 1911 in 38 spl. I don't know why either.
Or a single stack 1911 in 45 LC. That would be super duper cool. It would have to be able to handle the corbon DPX 45LC @ 255gr at 1100 fps.......... Who needs a desert eagle.....
I think I have a 1911 problem...

[aerod1]

Seeing as we are in the Handgun section I would say the 1911.

[Loyalist Dave]

I'd like a Smith & Wesson five shot, hammerless, stainless, snub nosed revolver, in .40 S&W using moon clips. I have one in 9mm, but I'd like it in the larger caliber.

LD

[Correia]

Wow, do some of you even bother to read the thread before you post?

Glock!

1911!

Hoo Ray!

:p

[Ghengis Kahn]

And in addition, as long as we're dreaming, a C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser in .45 ACP... with detachable box magazines in 7-, 14- and 21-round capacities.



you read my mind.

[Urbana John]

to TimboKhan

I "had" a .357 Coonan with a 38 Special conversion kit. It was SSWEET!!

Stainless Steel with wood grips on a 1911 frame

Wish I had it back!!

[mdao]

4 shot L-frame snubby in .500 Special. :evil:

Micro P7PSP in .380 ACP.

[Wheeler44]

A high capacity, self loading, self cleaning with free ammunition and tacticool options at an affordable price. any caliber.

[PotatoJudge]

Dan Wesson with a 2, 4, 8, and 17 in barrels, with a pistol grip and rifle stock, in any of the SuperMags or 454. Except made by Freedom Arms.

[Rembrandt]

....Is that an actual example of the legendary .45 ACP Luger prototype, or a Photoshop approximation?

The photo is one of the original .45's built....some controversy about how many were made, some say six. A few years ago a 45 cal Luger carbine surfaced that had serial number #21. The controversy continues.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/45calLuger.jpg

http://www.lugerforum.com/45Luger.html

[usp9]

The prototyped but never produced Seecamp 9mm pistol.

[TimboKhan]

Well, while not handguns (and this really should have been in general gun. sorry), I like the idea of a Kel-Tec .22 camp rifle as well. Just as long as the magazines are nice and easy to load.

Handgun specifically, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see a Mak produced new and maybe in some different calibers, and even though they aren't particularly practical, a new broomhandle would be cool as well. The luger idea is one I see a lot, and I can dig it.

[DrLaw]

This gun was made, and there are maybe four or five of them out there, but it is a custom job that maybe the factory should consider.

A Ruger Bearcat in .32 H&R Magnum.

I got to shoot serial number 2 or 3, and it was a sweet honey of a gun. :p

The Doc is out now. :cool:

[CZ.22]

MA5B
(if any of you play the original Halo, you'll kow what I'm talking about)

[CypherNinja]

A 10mm Broomhandle would rule. ESPECIALLY if it was of the "Schnellfeuer" persuasion with the detachable stock and removable hi-cap mags. :evil:

[Jim March]

9-shot 357Mag SA revolver, with a center barrel doubling as a base pin in 454Casull or wilder. Keep it set up for the center shot as critter defense, use the rest as general defense.

[Leagle]

shotgun that shots as far as a rifle, its in a game i play =\

[Geronimo45]

"9-shot 357Mag SA revolver" A modern LeMat?
A CZ-75 (or similar) in 7.62x25 Tokarev. Or an all-steel Five-Seven.
Broomhandle Mauser with a modified grip and interchangeable uppers in different calibers. Have a model in .45 that takes old Tommy Gun magazines - they're cheap.


Edited to add:
Also, a new Webley revolver - with a front-end you could take off and replace with one of different caliber. Looks like you could pull off the cylinder and barrel together - so, in theory, you could fire six of any caliber of round - with the right barrel/cylinder combo.

[Glockfan.45]

1.) A Glock carbine

2.) Ruger 10/22 pistol

3.) A compact 1911 style pistol in 10mm (if any exist please let me know,but I have not yet found one).

[modifiedbrowning]

Bren Ten.

[CypherNinja]

Broomhandle Mauser with a modified grip and interchangeable uppers in different calibers. Have a model in .45 that takes old Tommy Gun magazines - they're cheap.

www.tommy15.com

Here's an AR lower that takes Suomi drums. Its close. :D


EDIT: WARNING. The site is very poorly designed. There's a vid on the right that plays as soon as it loads, so make sure your sound is turned down.

[Baphomet]

A stainless steel Smith & Wesson Model 41...
My GAWD... Yes.

Right after they make my 5", Model 29 in .45 Long Colt (a la their Classics Series (5-screw frame, square-butt and honest-to-God "Coke bottle" grips)). Triple lock flavor a big plus!

[chabanais]

Best gun to own would be for me a .45 Luger. To defend my life a Sig 226 in a pistol or Mossberg pump for long gun.

[obxned]

How about Will Smith's 'noisy cricket' from Men in Black? I could sure use one like that for concealed carry.

[MikePGS]

A Colt SAA chambered in 9mm. Ohhhh blasphemy! :)

[6_gunner]

1. An N frame Smith and Wesson in .357 magnum, holding 8 shots, with fixed sites, made out of...Damascus steel. :cool: I don't know if Damascus would even be possible, but it would be beautiful.

2. A .45 broomhandle that's not the size of an artillery piece.

3. (Building on what others have been hinting at) A modern, cartridge firing LeMat.

[Lonestar49]

...

The one in your hand that never fails, and always makes you happy you bought it.. and you got what you paid for.


LS

[THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR]

+1 CZ.22, along with an M6D (from Halo 1, the one in Halo 2 sucks) and the shotgun.

Meanwhile, in the somewhat real world...

-A break-open DA .454 Casull revolver with moon clips
-A ruger MKII pistol in 17HM2 with a thirty-round triple-stack magazine
-A Ruger MKII pistol in 9mm luger
-A semi-auto pistol in .223 SSM
-A semi-auto pistol in .500 S&W mag
-A Puma carbine in .500 S&W mag
-An OICW type thing in .308 and 40mm
-A shoulder fired semi-auto recoiless rifle in 30mm (with a massive scope)


Ummm, would the USS Iowa count as a rare gun?

[ARTiger]

S&W 942. (J frame airweight centennial chambered in 9mm Luger.) Prototypes were made I believe, but I don't think they ever made it to production.

[FireArmFan]

I'd like to shoot the "BFG" from DOOM

[Diamondback6]

a .50GI-caliber full-auto Thompson.

[TimboKhan]

I don't know if it's my "best gun never made", and I don't know that I would even buy one, but I have always wondered why Glock didn't make a .22. I would at least be somewhat interested....

[Avenger29]

2.) Ruger 10/22 pistol

Already been done. Check out Volquastron's website.

[Seancass]

50 BMG revolver and its twin, the 20mm revolver, ya know, for deer. semi auto, 1911 style 825 magnum. a .22 pistol that comes with more than (gasp) 10 round magazines. a SAA replica with a sup $200 price tag, because its not like you are still developing the technology. a reliable gun for under $100, because it is do-able. and ruger or S&W needs to make a shoulder mounted mini-gun for individual sale.

[hnk45acp]

HK P7M7 .45 acp squeeze cocker

[2TransAms]

I agree, a Glock .22lr in a medium frame. I've always figured that Glock guys were too cool to shoot anything in .22.

My fantasy zombie hunter sidearm is a six-shot 20 gauge revolver with a 10" barrel. Kinda like a monster Colt Anaconda or something. Edit to add: Not like I could handle it, it would just be cool. :)

['87 Charvel]

Hmmm idk......something crazy hahaha. like a pistol with rounds the size of like half of your fist hahaha. auto. :o

[telomerase]

S&W 942. (J frame airweight centennial chambered in 9mm Luger.) Prototypes were made I believe, but I don't think they ever made it to production.

... but since we're dreaming, make it on a frame even shorter than 'I'. And have an ultralightweight 6-shot on the same frame in .32 Auto Mag. (A high-pressure cartridge which doesn't exist).

Also while we're dreaming, they could make some models with trigger reaches and pull weights suitable for women.

[yhtomit]

2.) Ruger 10/22 pistol
Already been done. Check out Volquastron's website.

A google search for "Volquastron" just got me zero hits -- a rare occurence ;) Can you clarify? I'm interested in the idea of a 10/22 pistol, too.

Cheers,

timothy

[telomerase]

Volquartsen (http://www.volquartsen.com/).

[Avenger29]

Right. I can't spell that word for some reason.

They make 10/22 stuff such as barrels, rails, trigger groups/parts, etc. Heck, they even make 10/22 receivers out of steel! If you do any research for 10/22 parts, they will come up somewhere. Good, but pricey.

VQ also does some other stuff for guns other than the 10/22.

[2TransAms]

.

[LoneCoon]

The MP-40 REX that never got produced. It was a break top .357 revolver. Damned import laws.

[Dr.Rob]

I'd like to see our Italian friends make an affordable large frame 1878 DA or small frame 1877 Lightning clone. No single actions with bird's head grips, an honest shootable old west DA revolver. Just because.

I'd like to see a 'modern' version of the Colt 1903, in 380. Ditto a modern C-96 Mauser.

OK here's one.. a centerfire, say 9mm, version of the Ruger Mk2. That would be cool.

[GroovedG19]

I love the compact Berettas that the company has stopped making.Models such as the Centurion, Compact L Type M, and Custom Carry II.

Am actively searching for these models.

[R127]

I am still hoping for a modern doublestack combat pistol chambered for 7.62x25. I'd prefer a steel frame along the lines of the CZ SP-01 but I'd take what I can get at this point.

I would also love to see a 7 shot multicaliber .357mag revolver that has the streamlined look of a 1861 Navy but double action with swing out cylinder. A little tasteful engraving, color casehardening, etc. It could be a real beauty. Failing that I would settle for a 7 or 8 shot multicaliber revolver. I'm talking about the system the Medussa had, not some weird scheme involving moon clips.

A semi-compact .22mag autoloader would be fun, too.

Or how about this, a Cricket/Chipmunk sized revolving rifle that was compatible with the NAA Mini Revolver cylinders so it could be a 5 shot .22lr or 5 shot .22mag revolving woods rifle. You could even make a "block" that allowed the chambering and firing of a single 5.56x45 cartridge. This one would be easy for NAA to build.

It would be real fun to scale up that idea to a multicaliber .357mag revolving rifle to match the multicaliber .357 revolver.

For a rifle an AK-47 in 6.5x39 would be the heat and it's a fairly easily achievable goal. The rear sight assembly could be omitted and instead the rear sight block would be machine with rails for a scope, optical sight or BUIS.

There are a lot of really great ideas in this thread, but what does the firearms industry give us? Another 1911 clone in .45acp or another bland poly framed striker fired doublestack in 9mm, .40 and .45. Somebody was even recently pushing their Turk-made CZ-75 ripoff in 9mm/.40 as "innovative."

[tango3065]

Here are my personal favorites ;)



handgun - glock 19


pistol - S&W take your pick but I prefier a 642 or 640 due to size


assualt rifle - ak47 or ar15, like the feel of the AR but the AK is more reliable


bolt action - rugger m77 mkII or winchester model 70


shotgun - Remmy 870, BTW if I could only own one gun this would be it


Lever - Marlin 336


Class III - H&K mp5 costly but just so much fun


smoke pole - 50cal TC encore

[461]

.32 Mag Bearcat and a .41Mag GP-100.

[zinj]

A DA revolver (K frame sized maybe?) in 9mm with a method of extracting spent cases without moonclips would be quite excellent.

[TimboKhan]

OK here's one.. a centerfire, say 9mm, version of the Ruger Mk2. That would be cool

I agree wholeheartedly with that statement, and had never even thought about the possibility. Unfortunately, I don't think a 9mm with a mag release like the MkII would be tactical enough for anyone. Still, thats a cool idea.

[No_Brakes23]

.308 Saiga that takes FAL magazines.

Metal reciever, Pistol gripped Kelt-Tec SU-16CA With a cleaning port in the back so you can clean from the breech side with a cleaning rod.

[Outlaw Man]

The "boomstick" from Evil Dead/Army of Darkness - side by side shotgun that only needed to be reloaded once (that was after a three-shot volley). :D


Realistically? Either:

1. Beretta Vertec in .45acp with a Taurus-style safety (frame mounted, up to engage - like God and JMB intended) - or just let Taurus make it with the Vertec grip.

2. Modernized LeMat with .44mag and a 16ga single shot.

3. The Medusa (it's not all that rare, but I've never seen one).

[Angus Podgorney]

Here are my personal favorites



handgun - glock 19


pistol - S&W take your pick but I prefier a 642 or 640 due to size


assualt rifle - ak47 or ar15, like the feel of the AR but the AK is more reliable


bolt action - rugger m77 mkII or winchester model 70


shotgun - Remmy 870, BTW if I could only own one gun this would be it


Lever - Marlin 336


Class III - H&K mp5 costly but just so much fun


smoke pole - 50cal TC encore
__________________
Glock perfection, simplicity at its best.


And this has what to do with the topic? :confused:

[Darth Muffin]

The HK P7M10 (like a P7M13 but .40S&W) prototype, which had a slide roughly the size of the 9mm version rather than that boat anchor of a slide they decided to go with.

[Dr.Rob]

An 8 shot 9mm with a heel clip release not 'tactical'? "For shame," said the Sig 210 who went back to being the best 9mm ever made. ;)

I didn't suggest a Ruger Mk2 in 9mm would be tactical or practical... I just like the lines of the pistol. It wouldnt get rails and carbon fiber either, just a deep factory blue (or stainless) and cocobolo grips. Gasp, maybe even target grips!

[Brian Williams]

a 32 caliber centerfire Colt Woodsman,


3" mid weight barrel S&W 13 with a round grip.

[Halo is for Kids]

#1. A single stack varient of the glock 26 and 27, thin as they can get it. And I want it to work too.

#2. A kel tec sub 2k with an optics rail and decent sights.

#3. A Kahr PM9 or PM40 that doesn't cost $600.


+1 on the FAL Saiga. I'd go for a Saiga that takes the HK G3 mags over that though. They're around $1-$5 piece.

[zinj]

OK here's one.. a centerfire, say 9mm, version of the Ruger Mk2. That would be cool.

Wouldn't that be a Luger?

[rnovi]

A 9mm moonclipped pocket revolver - yeah, S&W made one - damned if I can import one into the PRK.

The .41 mag GP100. 5-shot is fine. Just make it. I'll buy two, one in 4" and one in 6 or 8".

A rifle: 18" bbl with a 6-shot revolving cylinder chambered in 30-30 or 45-70. (yeah, I know, they made one like this wayyyyy back in the Civil War that never sold...black powder and in 44 ball iirc.) I am so sick of chasing brass as a hunter. If Magnum Research can make a 30-30 revo (or greater), why the heck can't they change the frame to a stock, slap an 18" bbl on it, add a forestock and go.

Hellboy's Revo. I'm all about a 20mm topbreak revo.

[Run&Shoot]

Ruger GP100 5-shot .44 Special or .44 magnum.

[alucard0822]

The Noisy Cricket

[plexreticle]

M6 survival rifle in 22wmr

Oh, and a .460 xvr lever gun would be cool.

[boerseun]

Glock in 7.62x25 with a folding stock carbine that uses the same magazines.
The barrels on th epistols and carbines have to be interchangable with 9MM, 9x18 and .380 as well.


The same setup in 10mm/357SIG/40S&W would do as well.


Both weapons have to have .22lr conversion kits.

[quiettype]

S&W K frame in 25-20.

[461]

Plex- The M6 was made in .22WMR as well as .22lr and .22Hornet. Look around, you may find one as they only quit production last year.

[ozwyn]

a "new Lemat" with 9 rounds in .38/.357, 9mm, .40, and 10mm as caliber options for the 9mm main cylinder and .410 or 20 gauge for the one shot.

New production webleys holding 8-9 in .40, .357, .45 and 10mm.

4 inch barrel versions of the ruger alaskan frames.

beretta nine-two and storm carbines in 10mm with high capacity mags
beretta nine-two and storm carbines with double-stack .45 magazine frames

magazine-fed .45/.454 carbine. (m-1 on steroids?)

[CJ]

How about a Kel-Tec in 5.7x28mm? I'd imagine that with their production facilities, it's cost a lot less than the $900 the competition asks.

[Black Majik]

HK P2000 .45

None of that P30, P3000, HK 45 stuff. The P2000 frame is excellent, heck even make it single stack, that'd be cool too.

[Halo is for Kids]

Thought of another good one: AR15 / M16 upper that takes p90 mags and ejects through the stadard lower mag well.

Rhineland arms had one on their website awhile back. Seems like a good enough idea if anyone can get it to work.

[19-3Ben]

1. An N frame Smith and Wesson in .357 magnum, holding 8 shots, with fixed sites, made out of...Damascus steel. :cool: I don't know if Damascus would even be possible, but it would be beautiful.

2. A .45 broomhandle that's not the size of an artillery piece.

3. (Building on what others have been hinting at) A modern, cartridge firing LeMat.
Oh my G-d you are evil. The image of a damascus steel S&W will haunt me for the rest of my days.

[19-3Ben]

Practical:

Ruger GP-100. 3"bbl, with compact grip frame, in "target grey", 5 shot, .44 spl.

A pump-action carbine, dual rail, stainless steel, bottom eject, 16.5"bbl, in .357 mag/.38spl, with ghost ring sights made by Meprolight. 9 or 10 round tube mag. Sort of like an updated, but not TUBAR version of the elusive IMI Timberwolf. If you are accustomed to the manual of arms in an 870 or 500/590, you could transfer over very easily. And bottom eject makes it lefty-friendly as well.

And now rediculous:
S&W X-frame with 9-10 shots of .357 maximum. (wouldn't want one. I'd just think it was cool.


I like the first two. Escpecially the second. I'd buy it in a flash!!!

[rockstar.esq]

A "side by" break action Thompson Center in something cool like .44 mag.

A semiauto that ejects the empty magazine as soon as the slide is locked back.

A high capacity .22LR semiauto handgun that can be loaded with a hopper straight from the brick!

Now for the farther reaching:

A concealable handgun with a telescoping barrel!

A suppressed revolver

A porting system that resisted torque, recoil, and noise.

[Geronimo45]

A suppressed revolver
Here you go:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg194-e.htm
The Rodeo (instead of Mall) Ninja wheelgun of choice. Laser, integrally suppressed, short barrel and grip, safety catch.

You can mount a suppressor to a Nagant revolver, too - with some functionality, thanks to the gas-seal business. The CIA museum's got a suppressed Nagant in their collection.

[BryanP]

I'll take a Kel-Tec folding pistol-caliber carbines in .45ACP, set to take XD45 magazines.

[Bondo_Red]

A semi auto combat pistol chambered in .17 HMR with a compensator.The small bullet allows it to hold up to twice the amount of rounds in a normal semi auto pistol,while at the same time combining with the compensator to lower recoil and muzzle rise dramatically. I strongly support the modernized LeMat. A p90 in a longer configuration that allows it to act as a rifle.And finally a single double barrel derringer-style pocket pistol that fires shotgun shells.

[full metal]

a 4 shot revolver in 12 gauge, or a 500 s and w lever action rifle or better yet a 1911 in 500 s and w.

[chipp]

.357 battle rifle. of course it could easily feed .38s

[coelacanth]

how about a Charter Bulldog in .45 ACP / .45 AR and some 5 round moon clips. how about a Ruger .30 cal carbine - sort of like a 10/22 on steroids or how about a 5 shot Colt Python in .41 mag :eek:

[CypherNinja]

Throwing my hat into the ring again.......


A P90 in a normal handgun caliber (seriously, any caliber, please.....)

+1 on a SxS or O/U TC Contender

A semi-automatic handgun with forward mag (Broomhandle/Hameralli style) that was designed for the Aguila mini 12ga shells.

A totally modern re-attempt at the Gyrojet.

[6_gunner]

The one in your hand that never fails, and always makes you happy you bought it.. and you got what you paid for.

I already have a Smith and Wesson! :neener:

[Desert Dog]

Ruger PC45 Carbine

OR

Ruger #3 in 45-70 with a 28" barrel...

IMHO... :D

[Geronimo45]

I'll take a Kel-Tec folding pistol-caliber carbines in .45ACP, set to take XD45 magazines.
I'd like one that took old Thompson magazines. Those things are cheap.

[pharmer]

Wow, 4 pages and nobody selected the last and best of John M. Browning, the 9mm P-35 HiPower. Designed 3/4 of a century ago. Sleek, beautiful, functional and with that magical "high capacity". It gets my vote. Joe

[max popenker]

FN M1952 Double-action. 9mm DA semiauto with 13-rd FN GP mags. 1952
Original Stechkin 1949-prototype machine pistol (before converted to 9x18 Mak). 18-round magazine in 7,62x25 Tokarev, select-fire.
Or, if you want non-NFA thingy, the 1939 Voevodin pistol. Same 18 rounds of 7,62x25 Tok.
Or, a 1942 Tokarev TT hicap, with 14-round mag. Same caliber.

or...

say, Colt XM9 / SSP, 9mm all-stainless DA/SA wundernine...

what else?

switching to pistol-caliber carbines... how about .410 Saiga converted to .45 Colt or .454 Casull (after all, it already has a gas regulator :))

[kludge]

1. 4" Ruger Redhawk in .45 Colt with tight +P chambers.
2. Kel-Tec SU-30 carbine, GI mags.
3. same as #2 in "Delta" (SBR) configuration.

[floridaboy]

I really like the idea of a modern LeMat. Even if the shotgun barrel fired .410 shells!

[Black Majik]

I just thought of one that I'd sell a few guns to buy.

SIG X5 Tactical 9mm in all steel. Too bad it comes with an alloy frame. :(

[kir_kenix]

ill play. i want to see a 1903 browning in .380...or .45...lol. in rifles, i would love to see the m1 carbine in different calibers...like .223. or else somebody to design and manufacture .30 carbine with a spitzer style bullet.

[Angus Podgorney]

Wow, 4 pages and nobody selected the last and best of John M. Browning, the 9mm P-35 HiPower. Designed 3/4 of a century ago. Sleek, beautiful, functional and with that magical "high capacity". It gets my vote. Joe


Maybe because the title of the thread is Best gun never made :)

[pharmer]

Well thanks Angus, that explains it. I need to get better glasses, these 3X ain't getting it. Joe

[TexasP226]

I really want a Sig revolver.

I would also have been interested what HK would have done with a 1911.

[Angus Podgorney]

I need to get better glasses, these 3X ain't getting it. Joe

It's Hell getting old, isn't it? :(

[Wordsmith]

HK P2000 .45

None of that P30, P3000, HK 45 stuff. The P2000 frame is excellent, heck even make it single stack, that'd be cool too.

A big +1. I sold my all my USP pistols after getting the P2000. I just never shot them anymore.

The P2000 frame would make for an excellent single-stack .45 ACP, though HK would probably have to lengthen the barrel slightly.

[Gustav]

How about a state of the art modular weapon system Bullpup (not in 5.56) based on the best features of past and current designs use the AK gas piston sytem with FAL type gas adjustment, different trigger control groups one a match set trigger one select fire one semi auto only, H & K fluted chamber with interchangable barrels a short feather weight a medium general purpose and long match grade in calibers such as .280 7mm mag rimmless or 6.5 Swede.
Use a 1913 picatinny full length rail and YHM flip up front and rear sights with replaceable tritium elements a folding grip pod surefire light combo, interchangable butt plate inserts for different lengths of pull, reversible ambidextrious (sp) controls. All titanium steel stainless steel and polymer.
What would you build if you win the lottery?:neener:

[tasco 74]

i always thought a s&w model 27 heavy barrel might be kinda nice.... they'd use a 4" barrel blank for the model 29 and bore it to .357 instead of .429... as for my all time favorite gun that wasn't it's got to be ole painless the minigun on the first predator movie..................

[TimboKhan]

My thread lives on!!! Man, you guys have thought of some cool stuff. One thing that caught my eye was the idea for a Ruger carbine in .30 carbine. Why don't they make that? They make a six-shooter in that caliber, and the mini is more or less a copy of the M1 .30 carbine, so it sort of makes sense to me that they would have it. Maybe there is some sort of legal reason?

[gandog56]

Whatever that thing "Robocop" was shooting!;)

[waterhouse]

I'll echo the previous HK p7m7 comments, and possibly a P7 psp with a polymer frame. I'd also like Dan Wesson to start making the C-Bob with a lightweight frame.

[Machete]

M41A Pulse Rifle from the movie Aliens
"The M41A Pulse Rifle is the standard issue for all United States Colonial Marines. It fires a 10mm Explosive Tipped Caseless Light Armour Piercing round. The M41 uses electronic pulse action to fire, controlled directly from the trigger. The internal mechanism, including the rotating breech, is mounted on free-floating rails within a carbon-fiber jacket. This assembly is recoil dampened to reduce the effects of muzzle climb during burst and full automatic fire. From the thumb selector, the weapon can be set to selective, four-round burst, or full automatic fire, the latter allowing a rate of fire up to the weapon's cyclic rate of 900 rpm"

Smartgun (also from Aliens)
"The M-56 Smart Gun fills the Squad Automatic role in a USCM section. A Smart Gun needs special training to use and is only issued to such "Smart Gunners". The length of the weapon is 122 cm, with a straight rear firing grip and a fore firing grip. In addition, a cocking handle is mounted on the right side of the gun, for manual cocking once a new ammo drum has been attached (reliability drops to UR on the first trigger pull if the weapon is left to cock automatically).
The gun is mounted on a servo-assisted gyro-stabilisation arm attached to an armoured torso harness. The weapon has an inbuilt smart-targeting system, consisting of a targeting processor in the harness, infrared sensors in the headset and above the barrel of the gun, and the gyro-balancing servo arm. When a target is designated through the headest and barrel sensors, the servo arm immediately moving the gun to track the target. Changing targets is done simply by directing the gun toward a new target. The electronicpulse action allows great control over the rate of fire of the weapon, which is controlled by a toggle switch on the fore grip. It can fire a four-round burst (3-round burst r) and has a full-auto fire mode of 60 rounds."



UA 571-C Remote Automated Sentry System
"The UA 571-C Robot Sentry is an automated point defence system. It consists of a 7.62 mm machinegun mounted in an automated servo system with IR, motion and ambient light sensors for target acquisition. The entire package is armoured (SP 20, SDP 30) and mounted on a sturdy tripod (Leg SP 20, SDP 15). The weapon cannot be detached from its base or used by hand. Each weapon comes with a control terminal microwave-linked to its Sentry gun (can be placed up to 1000 metres away from the Sentry(which can be extended) .The system is sophisticated and can be set to search based on a target's visual and/or thermal profile or'auto-remote', using the system's built in IFF transponder and stutter-chipping, allowing it to avoid firing on a target wearing a personal data transmitter or M10 helmet IFF transponder with the right IFF code (this may be deactivated at the operator's command). Because the UA 571-C lacks a human's judgement, clearance of the ranking officer is required by law (although not needed) to use the system."

[coelacanth]

What I had in mind for the Ruger .30 cal carbine was sort of like the .44 mag carbine they made for a while only in the smaller caliber. Rotary mag set up like the 10/22 ought to be doable IMO. Sign me up! I'll take 2!

[crebralfix]

1) Browning Hi-Power chambered in 45 ACP and 10 mm.
2) *New* Ruger handguns without a manual printed on the gun, no locks, and no loaded chamber indicators.
3) Ditto for S&W weapons.
4) FAL and M1A with chambers made for 308 Winchester (which is available) and not 7.62x51mm.
5) 41 Magnum Desert Eagle...okay...maybe not. But, a decent semi-auto in 357 Magnum or 41 Magnum (Coonan already did this in 357...but was it reliable?)
6) 44 Magnum seven shooter
7) M1 Carbine in 10mm, 243, 7.62x39 (not Ruger)

[Hunter0924]

The best pistol ever made? That is easy the Colt Government Model. What other handgun is so copied but never rivaled?

[TimboKhan]

My thread was resuscitated!

hunter, the topic is best gun NEVER made...:)

[saspic]

Someone mentioned the Bren Ten. From a shooter's standpoint, rather than that of a collector, I think the Peregrine Falcon would have ruled. Read more about it at Nordic's site.

http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id6.html

[mister_wilburn]

How about a Ruger mark II in 9mm?? Yeah, i know they made that one (Luger 9mm.)

Someone already posted that....oh well, still my vote.

[Leitmotif]

M41A1 Pulse Rifle...

[RNB65]

Phased plasma handgun in the 5 watt range.

:)

[valor1]

How about a .357 magnum Glock? Probably even a .357 magnum luger pistol? :evil:

[RNB65]

How about a .357 magnum Glock?

I'm trying to imagine what a Glock revolver would look like and it just makes me cringe. :eek:

[FilJos]

I would like a gun similar the the subcompact Kahr's , like a PM40, but with a longer grip (front to back) to accomodate a 10mm. That would be nice: A single stack, subcompact or similar size, 10mm

[staghounds]

The thread lives still.

I second the top break revival- a stainless Webley-Green, and the little mk. III 38.

And a few more, rarities but ones that were made- Mars, Schwarzlose blow forward (in .380 not 7.65), Schwarzlose Standart, Borchardt, and Dickson side-by-side-by-side shotgun.

Stainless Remington 51, with a smaller grip and DA lockwork.

Walther MP (the giant PP) in .45.

Sort of handgun- MP5 in .45.

And I know it's handguns, but for long guns-
Stainless bullpups in .308, 7.62x39, and 12 gauge RIFLED.

[Phaetos]

Urbana John .. maybe you shoulda kept that Coonan. From Dan Coonan's website.




What is my Coonan .357 worth?

Many of you have asked us what is a fair market price for a Model A or B Coonan .357 magnum with one magazine.
One of the most important things to consider is that they are on they way of becoming of a collectors item. This is due to the fact that they are no longer in production. Another factor is most Coonan owners won't sell there Coonan, this brings the handgun value up.

.357 Model B "New in the Box - never fired" $1,295.00 - $1,495.00
.357 Model A "New in the Box - never fired" $1,295.00 - $1,495.00
Used Model B Excellent Shape - $800.00 - $1,000.00
Used Model A Excellent Shape - $800.00 - $1,000.00

Cadets:
"We have seen Cadets go for as much as $1,295.00 used, and as low as $700.00."

Pricing really can vary due to supply and demand. Lets face it, there really isn't anything else like it out there unless you want to lug a five pound Desert Eagle or a beefy LA Grizzly around.

[HatFried]

Either a phaser or a p90 in .45.

[CypherNinja]

Back again!!!

How about an AR-7 in centerfire pistol cartridges?

9mm, .40, .45, 10mm, .357sig, 9x25Dillon....... :D


EDIT: If you made it take 1911 mags think of all the caliber conversions you could do with nothing but bolts and the screw on barrels? :eek:

[staghounds]

Benelli p76, Bernardelli p18, Steyr GB all in .45.

I'll stop now.

[McCall911]

Love some of the previous ideas: .45 Luger, Bren Ten/Peregrine Falcon. Heck, why not a resurrection of the Luger itself?

But I have to ask: Why haven't there been any--.454 Casull Ruger Blackhawks????

[McCall911]

I'm trying to imagine what a Glock revolver would look like and it just makes me cringe.

Yeah! One thing for sure: It would have to be fugly!

<ducks and runs>

:D

[jlbraun]

A compact single-stack Glock in 9mm, .40, and .357SIG that is 1.0" wide. Given that this marketspace is dominated by unreliable guns, Glock could clean house.

[MikePGS]

A compact single-stack Glock in 9mm, .40, and .357SIG that is 1.0" wide. Given that this marketspace is dominated by unreliable guns, Glock could clean house.
Ohhh i'll take one to.

[shotgunmessenger96]

I would love to have a break action volley gun in 22lr that has 26 inch barrels and shoots up to seven shots at once.

[loneviking]

Colt Anaconda in .357

[makarovnik]

Mine.

[Kosh75287]

An HK P7 in .45 ACP, without that silly heel clip magazine release. An HK MP5 in 10mm or 9x25 Dillon. An FN-FAL in 6.5x55 Swede or 6.5 Grendel. A RELIABLE gas-auto in .460 G&A. A nice NEW Webley MkV revolver, and I don't care WHAT it might be chambered for.

[Gord]

Vash's revolver from Trigun. The thing just looks sweet, and I have a strange fetish for top-breaks...

http://www.sidkit.com/vashgun_img/vash_revolver.htm

[ARTiger]

5 shot airweight K frame 2" in 10mm/40S&W w/ moonclips or not.

[hankdatank1362]

12GA detatchable box-mag fed pistol with no recoil, suitable for CC under average coat or jacket. Similar to my son's NERF dart gun.


Or I'd take Judge Dredd's pistol.

[un_lucky]

I'd like a j-frame to sp-101 size revolver in a larger caliber maybe 41 special, or completely new like .375or .39 cal.

[NonConformist]

Phase Plasma rifle in the 40watt range!

Seriously, all i want is an M1 Carbine chambered in 5.56 that takes AR mags and an HK P30 chambered in .40SW


Is also like to see a Sterling SMG in a semi auto form

[ChCx2744]

I would have to say the Moonraker laser gun from 007: Golden Eye. Seemingly infinite number of shots you could make, deadly and just plain out cool as hell.

-BTW-

Isn't this supposed to either be titled "best handgun never made" or moved to "general" guns discussion..?? Just curious.

[Prod]

Glock in .50AE
1911 in .50AE
Broomhandle in .50 Beowulf

[Seven High]

How about a Colt Diamondback in .22 lr with a 22 magnum auxilary cylinder, reasonably priced of course!

[jhco]

beretta should make a 92/96 varient in 45 acp

[capnswole]

a glock 9mm pocket mousegun

[PRM]

Wished Colt had made a single action version of the .38 Lightening like Uberti/Cimarron has.

[greyling22]

something sold at cost plus 10 or 15 percent. you know it doesn't have to cost $500 to manufacture a glock.

[TeamPrecisionIT]

Not sure how many of you are fans of the show '24' but I would like to have Jack's USP. That thing is so trick that even with the slide locked back it still shoots 3 or 4 rounds. If you want to know what scene in particular I am talking about, its in the first episode of season 5.

Now back to a little more on topic: I want a gun that creates its own ammo as it is fired. Simple enough. I would pay $2000 for that gun so that I would never have to buy ammunition for it, ever.

Damian

[JImbothefiveth]

Double stack 1911 in 7.62x25
+1, I'd like to see that too.

[Mp7]

HK G11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Gewehr_G11_sk.jpg/300px-Gewehr_G11_sk.jpg

....the P90 and the Mp7 are just the oldschool-tech
versions of that idea, eh?

[Mp7]

A H&K Revolver in 4,6mm MP7 caliber.

(..a glock revolver in 7.62x25 wopuld be awesome, too.)

[full metal]

A 1911 in 454 cassual that also shoots 45 long colt....... or maybe a 1911 in 500 Smith and Wesson Magnum.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

The LAR Grizzley was made in .357 mag, as well as .44 mag, .45 Win Mag, 10mm auto, .50 AE, and I think some others.

[Scoutsout2645]

A minigun (ala "Predator"), chambered for .22 and rigged up with a stock and hand guards (complete with Picatinny rails for all your accessorizing needs)! All furniture must be black to make it more "tacticool" but the Red dot sight can be optional.

[Aka Zero]

Modern guns in 7.62 tokerev.....A little glock in tok would rock.....

CZ in 10mm.

Slide gun in 454.

Bigger bullets.... 11.6mm and such.

[Mp7]

A Glock Derringer in 9mm?

[Sylvan-Forge]

.22 LR in a mini 1911. Perhaps the Springfield EMP.

.22 LR American-made ISSF match pistols!

.32 rimless centerfire cartridges and 1911 barrels, mags, ejectors, extractors.

9x18mm modern sub-compact. Perhaps Glock.

9x19mm Boberg XR9. Being readied as we speak!

10x25mm all steel CZ 75.

.45 ACP top-break revolver.

.45 ACP H&K P7.

4.6x30mm H&K MP7 civilian-legal.

28 Gauge O/U breaching PGO SB shotgun.

.

[Mp7]

a Luger in .50 AE?

[mgregg85]

And in addition, as long as we're dreaming, a C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser in .45 ACP... with detachable box magazines in 7-, 14- and 21-round capacities.

I do believe the chinese made .45 ACP models of the c96.

Anyway, here is one I wish they would have made...
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/rfb-sub16.jpg
The Kel-Tec SUB-16.

[Fishman777]

A Ruger Redhawk with the Super Redhawk interchangable grips and the Super Redhawk two-spring trigger system. I'd like it in 4" or 5.5". I'd also like it in .44 magnum and as an eight shot .357 magnum.

[Fishman777]

A glock with a 1911 grip angle and adjustable back-straps. I'd like to see something a little different for the frame as well: I'd like to see the polymer grip covered in a thin layer of black rubber. I love the black rubber hogue grips on revolvers. It would be great if they'd incorporate the hogues into the grip itself. I don't care for the slide on hogue grips used on most polymer guns. I'd take a G17 like this in a heartbeat.

[makarovnik]

Colt peacemaker.

[tipoc]

....of course the legendary .45 caliber Luger...

Mike Krause makes them in stainless steel, or carbon if you'd like out in San Mateo, Ca. Any barrel length you'd like. He owns the gunstore Krausewerks.

http://www.adamsguns.com/luger45.htm

tipoc

[.380awsome]

a 10mm beretta M9/92FS with wood combat grips stainless barrel(not slide) longer barrel then original beretta 1911 style safety

or a S&W 19 6" chambered in .30 carbine with wooden combat grips :D

[slzy]

scandium/polymer p7 in 357 sig

[papajohn]

A Colt 1903 in 40 S&W

For long guns, a semi-auto 10mm and 50AE that looks and handles like an M-1 Carbine. The Ultimate Pig Basher!

PJ

[Meowhead]

Colt peacemaker.Uh, I'm pretty sure that someone did at one point in time manufacture a Colt Peacemaker.


I'd love to see a truly high capacity .22LR automatic. There's the Grendel P30, which holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum in a normal-sized pistol package, but I'd love something in .22LR. Steel framed, rather than the Grendel's polymer. 30 round magazine standard.

And just think how much fun it would be with select fire switch...

[lloydkristmas]

HK USP in 10mm

[TimboKhan]

Cool, man. One of my threads got resurrected. I always liked this thread, because some of you guys have great ideas for guns that I wouldn't have thought of but would probably be very interested....

What I thought was particularly interesting was that I noticed that one guys posted this: 2.) Ruger 10/22 pistol

And of course we know that since that post the Charger has been introduced and is pretty popular (and was probably in development when he wrote that!). Just goes to show that you never know what will happen, I guess.

[Realbigo]

An SKS sort of rifle, in .223 that top feeds from ten rd stripper clips. It'd make a great truck gun

[Heck]

single stack glock 19

[Loomis]

A shrouded hammer version of the S&W K frame that holds 5 rounds of 44mag.

[tenbears]

Remington 870 pump 12ga.

[OOOXOOO]

What about a well crafted 7.62x39 revolver.

[Doogy]

edit, mis-read the title of the thread

[yenchisks]

ar-15 in 250 savage.;)

[jordan1948]

Winchester Model 94AE trapper in S&W .500.

[jeff_d_148]

I would like to see a pump action .45-70 in a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 platform. Pump action because you could use lower power loads for home defense without misfeeds, and still be able to use full power loads for hunting.

I would also like to see Glock offer a .45 ACP in a Glock 19 sized frame. It could be either single or double stacked. I know that they offer one for the .45 GAP but unfortunately I do not think that caliber will ever catch on. I already own a Glock 19 and I love it. It is my favorite gun I have ever owned and would be my choice if I were only able to own one weapon for concealed carry and home defense.

[bwavec]

This first one has already been mentioned, but:

.45acp version of the HK P7 (I believe it is the P7M7).....it never got beyond the limited edition prototype stage, but I would buy one if they were in production.

.45acp version of the HK P2000SK, a subcompact .45acp, something substantially smaller and more concealable than the HK USP45 Compact & HK45 Compact.

[Marcus L.]

Everyone will recommend their own pride and joy. Just like everyone thinks their baby is the most beautiful.

The "best" guns out there are likely the ones adopted by high profile and large police and military organizations that really put these weapons to the test over long life-spans. Find out what they are, and you are probably fairly close to the mark.

[Khyron]

The E-11 Blaster Rifle!

"The basic E-11 was 438 mm long when folded and weighed 2.6 kilograms. The power cell housing opened on the left side of the action housing, above the trigger, giving the E-11 a very low profile (useful when shooting prone or from a barricade). The E-11's plasma gas cartridges allowed for over 500 shots[1], while the power cells lasted for about 100 shots, depending on the setting.[1]"

Oh wait, they did make these! Only it was a long time ago and, uhh, far far away. :neener:

[Smaug]

Handgun: HK USP Elite

Rifle: Marlin 39A

[gregormeister]

A double barrel 12. guage shotgun with a 22-250 mounted on the top center. God I'd trade my wife for one!!!

[alistaire]

The Colt Express Revolver in .99 Colt Express.

[Howaido]

A glock carbine in 9mm, .40 and .45acp.

[Omaney]

A Grendel P30 that works! What a great pack gun that woould make.

[theotherwaldo]

Back in the '80s I was working on an auto-draw, auto-holster mechanism for mini-Glock-sized pistols. Everything mounted on forearm bracers, gun drawn by tensioning and twisting steel cables, draw and return controlled by hand position (fingers cupped, thumb cocked fully back). Power systems ranged from self-winders, charged by any forearm movement, to battery packs.

Biggest problems were initiator signals and probable federal regulatory responses.

[ptss88]

A few pallets of Frag-12 ammunition would make a 12-gauge 870 Express Super Magnum my dream gun. The only reason I choose that gun specifically is that it was the first shotgun I ever bought, and, admittedly, it is a tool for peasants, given how few barrels chambered for 3.5" shells Remington actually makes. Still, I'm fond of it for personal reasons, so...

Real:
1. Mateba Model 6 Unica "Autorevolver" in .454 Casull
2. SIG SAUER P226 Tactical: just a P226 with a threaded barrel. Unfortunately, it's only offered in 9mm.
3. Beretta 93R: machine pistol based on model 92
4. STEYR AUG A3
5. KS-23M: short variant of KS-23 (23mm shotgun) with detachable stock
6. CZ Skorpion 9x19: machine pistol

Dreamed:
1. SIG SAUER P220 Super Match (.45ACP) with the same style as the P226 X-SIX SCANDIC BLUE, from the SIG SAUER Mastershop Series.
2. LeMat-based centerfire revolver (.460 S&W Magnum or .500 S&W Magnum) with a rifled 16-gauge center barrel, and attachable shoulder stock
3. Calico carbine in .50 AE (I like Calico's helical magazines)

Utterly Fantastical:
1. Victor Fries's "Freeze Gun"
2. A "Bowcaster" or "Wookiee Crossbow"
3. A large-bore, low muzzle-velocity pepperbox revolver that fires tree frogs of the species Phyllobates terribilis.
4. A blunderbuss that fires the heads of Inland taipans (Oxyuranus microlepidotus) and Eastern brown snakes (Pseudonaja textilis).

[Kind of Blued]

I'd also like Dan Wesson to start making the C-Bob with a lightweight frame.

GD right! A bobtailed 10mm lightweight Commander with laser grips is my dream carry gun. :(

Here is a list I've been compiling for a while:

Pump-Action O/U 12GA/22LR

Affordable O/U 12GA/22LR

Modern Break-Action Revolvers in American calibers

Modern Autos in 7.62x25

GSG Reproduction .22LR: P90, MP7, PDW, AUG, Thompson

Sturmgeweher in 7.62x39 (AK Mags)

Mag-Fed Semi-Auto Bullpup 12-Gauge

Semi-Auto FNC 80

1918 BAR in .308 accepting M14 mags (for under $2K)

Modern Lemat Reproduction (8-9 rounds of .357, 1 20 gauge)

M1A/M14s from CMP ;)

Mossberg 930 SPX w/ 22" bbl (and extra capacity)

Marinecote Mossberg 590A1 w/ Ghost Ring sights and bayonet lug

Affordable Double-Barrel .22LR Rifles (O/U & SxS)

Glock Compact 10mm & .45ACP (Not sub-compacts)

New Double-Stack HK P7

Pump-action 12 gauge bullpup shotgun

New Factory Beretta 87s w/ wood grips & factory threaded barrel

Kel-Tec RFB in .223 (Take AR Mags)

Boberg XR9 (in progress)

Transparent Glocks and magazines

[Friendly, Don't Fire!]

1911 over 100 years ago (around the 1890's -- unbelievably).

Sorry, I thought it said "Best Gun EVER Made!"

[jon_in_wv]

I would love to see a Star BM made with a modern alloy or scandium frame and some nice sights. That would be a fantastic carry piece.

[RKBABob]

The single stack GLOCK... (ok, I know about that .45 subcompact monstrosity, I meant maybe the 26, but slimmer)

[maddog1775]

KRISS Super V in 10mm or 9x25.

How awesome would that be?

[Timthinker]

I think .22 long rifle version of the famed 1896 Mauser "Broomhandle" pistol would prove a fun plinker.


Timthinker

[tribbles]

A belt-fed minigun in 5.7x28mm, with the LEO-only AP ammo.

[jon_in_wv]

My dream gun would be a M&P 9mm compact designed from the ground up purely as a 9mm. That means the slide wouldn't be unnecessarily wide to accommodate the conversion to 40 cal. It would have less top end weight and would be slimmer. It would be the perfect carry gun.

[test drive]

7.62x25 in a sub-compact and a phase-plassma rifle in 40 watt range

[skeet king]

G43

gives me chills just thinking about it