Pietta 1858 Problem


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gunboat57
April 13, 2007, 03:50 PM
I finally bought a Traditions Pietta Remington .44 Army replica today. I had a chance to look it over in the store and check for function. What I didn't notice until I got it home was that the barrel isn't screwed in all the way. What I mean is the flats on the barrel are not parallel with the flat sides of the frame. Because the barrel is twisted the front sight is about .047 to the right instead of on center. That means my POI is going to be about four and a half inches left at 25 yards unless I correct it.

Suggestions? I haven't fired it yet so I could just go get my money back. Should I remove and refit the barrel myself? I'm guessing it's in pretty tight. Call Traditions and have them tell me that some barrel misalignment is normal?

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Duncaninfrance
April 13, 2007, 04:16 PM
I would say take it back. General 'fitting and tuning' is one thing but if the barrel is not right then that's a replacement problem in my book. If there is any need to re-align then let them do it or you will find that there is no comeback at all.
This weapon is 'Not fit for purpose'

sundance44s
April 13, 2007, 05:18 PM
I`d take it back , because its a new gun ...If you try and tighten it your self and it binds against the cylinder , then more problems to fix , and they probally won`t take it back if there is a scratch on it where you tightened it .

O.S.O.K.
April 13, 2007, 06:01 PM
return it and you may consider a Pietta (if it's not a pietta) from Cabelas.

Not sure who makes Tradition's 58's...

ETA - oops, I don't think I was reading very closely.... my Pietta from Cabelas is good with no problems that I can see.

Bad Flynch
April 13, 2007, 07:20 PM
I had a friend that bought a Pietta 1858 and, after some time at home, he discovered the barrel was screwed on crooked. He wrote the importer, asking if they would fix it, and they would not.

I will not buy a Pietta for any reason because of that.

mykeal
April 13, 2007, 10:44 PM
Traditions imports Pietta c&b revolvers. However, they are the retail seller, and the gun is clearly not fit for purpose. Traditions has a good reputation for quality and will very likely take it back and offer you another in it's place. I'd take it. And inspect it thoroughly.

armedandsafe
April 13, 2007, 11:35 PM
My experience with Traditions is that they don't ask many questions. As one of the customer service fellows said to me, they intend to stay in business.

Pops

gunboat57
April 14, 2007, 02:05 PM
I took my new Traditions Pietta Remington .44 Army back to the dealer (Gander Mountain) today. They had another one in the case which I looked over for a possible swap. The barrel on that one was twisted too. The guy behind the counter suggested that maybe they were supposed to be that way. Yeah. Also, the rammer lever wouldn't latch in the stowed position. So I just got a full refund, no hassle, and left.

I guess I learned that I need to be even more careful to examine before buying. I thought I had been pretty thorough but I never would've thought that an octagonal barrel wouldn't be turned up square.

They had a Traditions Pietta 1860 Colt Army there too. It looked pretty nice except that with the hammer fully cocked the cutouts for the nipples were offset from the center probably .040 inch. But the nipples were centered. That's just plain sloppy. I guess I'm a little disappointed.

I'll keep looking cause I really want to get back into cap n ball shooting. How are the Uberti Colts and Remingtons? Are they better quality or is it kinda hit and miss?

DixieTexian
April 14, 2007, 03:18 PM
I got my Pietta 1858 from Gander Mountain and it doesn't have any problems. Maybe they just got a bad batch.

mec
April 14, 2007, 03:31 PM
" I'll keep looking cause I really want to get back into cap n ball shooting. How are the Uberti Colts and Remingtons? Are they better quality or is it kinda hit and miss?"

Not too unusual to find turkies among them. Uberti had a head start in quality control and it seems like Pietta has improved greatly in the last couple of years. The people at these factories are not shooters or gun people. It takes a lot of encouragement from stateside distributors like Texas Jack/Cimarron to get them to deliver a good shooting product. Fortunately, most of the distributors have a very liberal return/replace policy and most of the problems that don't include misalignment of major structures can be corrected at home. I have a bunch of Ubertis and have not had to return any of them. Minor smoothing and modification for good function is all they have needed.

Jim K
April 14, 2007, 03:44 PM
In the last several years, I have examined (not purchased) probably 50 or 60 Pietta revolvers; every one had some problem or problems, some easily fixable, others not. I would not buy one.

I think it possible that they are turning the barrel to achieve windage zero, as Colt used to do.

Jim

Hobie
April 14, 2007, 03:49 PM
:uhoh: Already done...

dstorm1911
April 15, 2007, 12:47 PM
last month I bought a 1860 colt from Calellas while on the road didn't realize untill I got home that the thing is plain junk, everything LOOKED fine but once I got home and test fired it it started developing problems ASAP in the form of timing issues, the cyl. was tight but after 125 rnds its not any longer... pure cr@p, I recently picked up an 1858 Pietta at a Sportsmans warehouse after all the rav reviews about the pietta and I've been kinda wanting to semi retire my 30 year old Lyman (Uberti made version not the Euroarms) 1858 well the pietta 1858 I discovered after getting home has the base pin hole under the barrel off center from the one in the recoil plate by .030" they made it work by champhering the base pin, it also has a timing issue......... you can't return any firearms Smokeless or BP to sportsmans for any reason, big sign as ya walk in etc...

I simply will NOT ever buy another Pietta piece of cr@p regardless of price or "new inovations" like progressive rifling etc... UBERTI is your absolute only choice when it comes to C&B revolvers that 30+ year old lyman has had over 20k balls fired through it with some fairly hot loads and its still tight and dead on accurate my two new Pietta C&Bs........ junk even my old (1971) Euroarms 1858 is ten miles ahead of these Pietta when it comes to quality, and its rougher than my Lyman/Uberti but it always shoots and is in time.......

Ed Gallop
April 15, 2007, 02:10 PM
I bought a Pietta 1860 Colt from Cabellas and when I received it in the mail it not only had scratches around the pin it was very heavily soaked in oil, so much that the stock was blackened and two toned. It also looked like it had been fired with residue in the hammer slot. I complained and they sent another overnight, even before the UPS picked up the first one. It was as perfect as could be expected.

They will try to pass off bad stuff but they were very cooperative. They have slid down on my list of possible sources of not only firearms but fly fishing as well. Had a similar problem with a bad rod they sent several years ago but were bery nice about the speedy return. Ed.

Joe the Redneck
April 15, 2007, 03:51 PM
OK, I own the same gun (plus a 64) from Cabelas.

Quality on these things ain't that great, but remeber, they are cheap. You don't have too much invested in it.

Also, it may not be as big a problem as it appears. The sight on these weaons are, well, a happy bit of wishfull thinking thinking. Remember, these we designed to be used on horseback. Ride up, shoot the enemy, ride off. Very much a "point shooting" type of affair.

Also, many older guns with fixed sights shoot no where near point of aim. I have some H&As and Iver Johnsons that give new meaning to the words "Kentucky Windage."

So I think you can still enjoy your pistol. Learn where it shoots. Consider it a "training piece." If you enjoy the BP experience, maybe get something a little nicer.

Best Wishes
Joe

mec
April 15, 2007, 05:26 PM
Up until a couple of years ago, the sort of problems described above were the expectation with Pietta revolvers. Until VTI came along, domestic availabity of replacement parts was unreliable if present at all and the companies response to back-orders from American distributors was lackadaisical at best. Recently, many owners have expressed greater satisfaction with them. The company claims to have installed cnc machinery and it did seem that quality improved. We have had good experience with a couple of LeMats, a remington pocket model and a smith carbine and were gaining the impression that things had really turned around. One continuing reason to prefer Uberti revolvers was the penchant of the FilliPietta FAP company to stamp their name and proof markings on every available surface.

The FAP Pietta company was reluctant to answer questions and when a representative did hold forth about specific products, parts availability, etc, his answers were generally not consistent with reality and seemed to indicate that he didn't really know much about the operation of his business.

By comparison, the problems we have experienced with Ubertis have been relatively minor and correctable at home.

Cincinnati Slim
April 16, 2007, 10:11 PM
This Pietta vs.Uberti thing just goes on and on...

You need to do two or more of the following when buying an Italian gun.

(1) Carefully inspect the fit, finish and function of the thing.

(2) Make sure there is a liberal return/repair policy regarding BP firearms.

(3) Be prepaired to pay a little more to get it from a reliable distributor.

I have had really good luck with Taylor's. Some folks really like Cimarron.

Despite modern CNC machine tools by design, there is a lot of hand fitting involved in making these archaic firearms. Too many variables to ever be totally consistent without running prices through the roof !

Slim

glen walker
April 17, 2007, 07:03 AM
I'm a new member; about 15 minutes old, but I'm certainly not new to Uberti or Pietta. Readers, please do not get upset if I sound like I think I know a lot. I do know a lot. I have shot Pietta's 1858 New Models for years, (and I mean a lot) and I have never had one moment's worth of trouble with them. Granted, although I own a stainless steel version also, I have never fired it, and it is real tight. However, I'm sure it would loosen up a bit after a few heavily powdered .451's were cycled through it. The blued Target Model was smooth as silk right out of the box. I own one 'case hardened' model, and it shoot's just fine, but for some reason, the 'laser checkered' grips sting my hands. But it sure is a nice looking '58....The only Ubert's I could speak for is the Walker and my very personal favorite of all guns everywhere; the Colt 1849 Pocket .31 with the four inch barrel. I'vd only fired the Walker maybe 200 times in my whole life, but it worked just fine. God alone know's how many .323's have gone down the barrel of that .31...Although I know many of you will laugh at me, and scorn me, I will tell you now: That Colt 1849 Pocket .31 is the best squirrel and rabbit gun a person could ever own. All you have to do is to learn the gun, and learn how to hit with it, and keep it clean.....I am very glad that I found this site. A warm hello to all of you, and may God bless...Glen..

Steve499
April 17, 2007, 03:47 PM
Howdy, Glen, and welcome! I won't get mad unless you tell me Palmetto makes a better product than Pietta, Uberti or Euroarms.:)

Steve

mec
April 17, 2007, 04:40 PM
the point that steve is trying to make ( and making quite effectively) is that Palmetto sucks big green Iguana *expletive deleted*

Dixie Gunworks is a fine outfit and pretty necessary to the black powder shooter. I don't know why but the persist in putting ther name on some Palmetto products. Like the dixie Walker/Kit. At least they warn us that it is made by Palmetto. They also let stand a number of reviews of Palmetto products. It is possible to find positive reviews of Palmetto prouducts but they generally end with " ' N sumday I am gonna take it out 'n shoot i!"

Most reviews of Palmetto products consign them to the lowest epicycle of perdition where they are issued a shovel and instructed to dig.

glen walker
April 17, 2007, 04:49 PM
Hello, Steve. Just wanted to thank you for making me feel welcome and at ease on the site. No, I would never tell you that!!...Steve, let me ask you something, please. Have you ever used any of those 'pistol wads'? I have wondered about them off and on for several years. I have always used Crisco like most everone else, and have never actually been around someone who uses them. Dixie Gun Works and Cabela's assure me that they work just fine, and I'm reasonably sure they probably do, but I can't get these visions of a chain fire out of my mind. Plus I guess it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I probably won't ever try them. Aside from maybe looking better, in a way, I was wondering if they perhaps made a better gas seal....Well, good to hear from you. Have yourself a good day...Glen

Steve499
April 17, 2007, 11:15 PM
Yep, I've used felt wads, both store bought and home made. Other than experimenting in a 45/70 right now, I've pretty much given them up. In my revolvers, I've been loading a lube pill between the powder and ball which seems to work better for me than the wads. If I'm going to leave one loaded for any great length of time I put a card wad over the powder. That's probably not strictly necessary but it makes me feel better. For years and years, I slathered Crisco, lard, goose grease/beeswax and about every other combination of lube on top of the ball. It was the way I was told you had to do the thing, you know? I read on here about the pill over the powder method and much prefer it.

The gas seal should be enhanced with a wad, one would think, but I was actually getting poorer groups with wads when I tested them against the pills. It wasn't exactly a double blind study though, so your results may vary.

Steve

mec
April 17, 2007, 11:53 PM
The Possibles Shop has rigid, lubricated felt wads from Eastern Maine Shooter's supply that will keep a revolver barrel clean for extensive firing. They work much better than wonder wads which are too fluffy. they are equivalent to the wads produced by the defunct bigiron barrel works
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44485&d=1157571002
Balls loaded directly over the powder will shoot good groups but only if you clean the barrel after each cylinder full.

glen walker
April 18, 2007, 06:55 AM
I might order a few and try them. I'vd alway been the same way. I used grease because that's what I was taught. I started squirrel hunting with an old .32 that belonged to Grandpaw when I turned 12 years old. Of course that was years before they invented Crisco. (I guess it was. I know my mother used regular lard all the time in the kitchen, because she would portion me out some now and then; some to rub into my leather shoes and some for that rifle.) Dad never did mess with it much, I don't reckon. He used an old sawed off single shot 12 guage shotgun. There wasn't any deer or such in that part of the country when I was growing up, but I did my dead level best to keep the small game population under control. It alway's ended up cleaned and in my momma's kitchen. My uncle gave me my first 1858 when I was almost 15. I have no idea where he got it. It wasn't new by a long shot, but it was a good shooter. I didn't get to shoot it much, because there wasn't anything around there that required that heavy load, plus it used a lot of powder, plus I had to make my own balls.(with my Uncle's help)....Awww, Steve and Mec and all of you! Those were good days....I might, maybe, possibly, try a few of those cards. My .31 stay's loaded all the time....I am so glad I found this site. It give's me a chance to kind of vent to people with common likes. I do have some stories I could tell, if I ever had the chance to sit still long enough to tell them. Like about that time years ago when I was 16 years old, and I was coon hunting with Daddy's old dog, an old coal oil lantern, and that 1858. The dog treed. I remember that real good, because that was the night I shined that ol' coon's eyes with that lantern, (he was way up there) pulled the trigger on that .44 and had a chain fire, dropped the lantern, oil ran out, caught all the dry leaves and all on fire, and believe you me; it was real exciting around there for about an hour!..Ya'll have a good one...Glen

Riot Earp
April 18, 2007, 07:27 AM
I gave up on Pietta after receiving a poor gun from Cabelas and after reading a great many horror stories. The consensus is that they've improved, but they just aren't turning out a consistently good product; some good guns get out, but it seems an equal number of bad ones do as well. A common complaint is that their internal parts are soft. Uberti isn't perfect either, but their quality is generally better. I just ordered a Euroarms Rogers & Spencer from Dixie (due to arrive tomorrow) because I heard they were good guns, better than Piettas and equal to Ubertis. I hope I didn't make a mistake.

Franco2shoot
April 18, 2007, 08:58 AM
I own one of each.. the Remmy is Uberti, the Pietta is an Open top Colt and both are very fine. One thing to keep in mind is that the two companies have been in business for many years. Early Pietta's were not nearly as fine as Uberti's, but over the years, the Pietta's have improved their quality control to equal or exceed Uberti. My Uberti has a much finer trigger, much better trigger break, and the finish is better than the Pietta. Still the Pietta, with its round barrel is pretty stinking nice. It required a small amount of filing to get the wedge tuned where it can be easily removed.

The biggest problem I had was that there is no vendor that stocks both Uberti and Pietta in the same store location making comparison very difficult. I think the key is to find two stores and then visit each. You will need to really closely inspect and disassemble in front of the clerk prior to leaving the store. Cabella's stocks Pietta, but I don't know which Bass Pro stocks, and can't think of a store that has the Uberti's off the top of my head.

KKKKFL

glen walker
April 18, 2007, 08:46 PM
I have been sitting here with my cigarettes and my coffee with some good bourbon (all bourbon is good) poured in it, reading over very closely some of these posts. I do not consider myself an 'expert' in anything or at anything, except for my rifle while I was in the Marines, and that was a long time ago....That said,..What I know, I know, and I either learned it the hard way, or had some real good people who worked with me, like my Uncle and my Grandpaw...Pietta's Remington 1858 New Model Army, .44, 6 shot revolver, 2 pounds and eleven ounces, with an eight inch octogonal barrel, fixed sights or adjustable, is, for a cap and ball shooter, one of the finest handguns on the face of this planet. I don't know anything about a Uberti New Model. Never had my hands on one. Have never even tried to find out if Uberti make's one...Don't care...Don't know anything about the Pietta New Model .36 caliber; or the Pietta New Model .31 pocket. Don't care...I know Pietta make's what I consider to be a fine 'Cattleman's Carbine' .44 caliber on the same action as the '58, and I know it's real pretty, and I know that if you have some dry powder behind that .451, and those number 10's are in good shape, it will shoot first time and every time. I will admit that when you first get the carbine, you may (that's a MAY) have to tighten up the rear sight...Stay away from Dixie Gun Works except for replacement parts, and maybe for their big catalog, which is super nice. It's very complete and highly informative. (At least their 'Salute to Teddy Roosevelt' catalog is. That's the only one I ever got from them, so that's the only one I can speak for. Be savvy. Pick out whatever you like in their catalog, then buy it from someone else) 99.99% of the Pietta 58's, .44 caliber, sold by Cabela's, are excellent, considering both 'technical' and 'cosmetic' aspects. "Fit for purpose' if you will. Their accuracy is entirely acceptable. As a matter of fact, if you will take the time to work out the proper powder load for your particular gun, you will find that it is extremely accurate. You will also notice, after some time has passed, that the 'balance', and 'handling', and 'swinging', and 'settling' aspects are nothing short of absolute genius of design....Go to 'www.midway.com' and visit them. They keep a very close eye on the quality of their Pietta's, and will strive to see that your handgun is of good quality and workmanship. Cabela's will sometimes buy certain things from Dixie Gun Works if they run low on their stock, but it will never be a Pietta or Uberti actual and complete handgun. However, they WILL buy the actual handgun from Midway....Well, I'vd only been hooked up with this website for two days, and I'vd already probably irritated and alienated 25 million people. I didn't mean to...Just saying what I know to be true...Well, I'll make me another drink...Ya'll be good, and may God Bless...Glen

Steve499
April 18, 2007, 09:43 PM
I have two Ubertis and one Pietta. I just traded a Euroarms off. The two Ubertis were finished better than the Pietta, but then the Pietta was one of those 'distressed' finished ones so I don't know how valid comparing finishes can be. The Euroarms was equal to or maybe a touch better than the Ubertis to my eye.

I have replaced hand springs and trigger/bolt springs in one of the Ubertis and in the Pietta. The Pietta had an inordinate amount of wear to the hammer cam after a year or so of use. I hardened the hammer and am still using the original as the wear seems to have stopped.

Both Ubertis were well timed when they arrived. The Pietta was also perfectly timed. The Euroarms was not but then I got it at a gun show, used.

The Pietta is the most accurate of all four, in fact is the most accurate handgun I own, believe it or not!

I ordered one Uberti and the Pietta from Dixie. The other Uberti came from Taylor's, I believe. It is a .45 Colt and had to be funneled through my gun store is why I'm not sure.

The bottom line is I would have no qualms buying any of the three in the future. The company I have a lot of hopes for is Pedersoli. They have a president or C.E.O. who apparently is really concerned with quality. They only make two revolvers as far as I know, a Rogers & Spencer and an 1858 Remington. It will be interesting to see if the market really wants quality and is willing to pay for it or if the cheaper pistols will continue to capture the majority of it.

Steve

glen walker
April 19, 2007, 06:28 AM
Steve, you are right on! You hit smack in the middle of the black, ol' son! No Maggie's Drawers for you today. Pietta's (the New Model Army, .44 anyway) are (as far as I'vd ever seen) very accurate. I'm sure that with the amount of guns that they are producing, a few lemons get through here and there. Some quality control inspector was tired, or half asleep or something. It can and does happen now and then with any consumer product...I know Uberti make's a real nice Walker and Colt 1849 .31...I'vd also heard several other people speak highly of Uberti here and there over time. I have never shot the Walker a whole lot, relatively speaking. Usually, if I ever decide to go out with it, I have to go to the un-employment office and hire me a couple of people to carry it around! (joke!)..But it is a big piece of iron, no doubt...I never had that problem about the loading lever dropping because of the shock and recoil, but over a period of time, considering normal wear, I could see where it might happen. I considered that even before I saved my money and bought one. I have arrived at the conclusion that if it ever happens (it probably won't. I don't hardly ever fire it) I will loop a small rubber band around the barrel and lever. That should hold it in place without interfering too much. (maybe)...Well, have a good day, Steve, and be careful and all out there...Glen

Ed Gallop
April 19, 2007, 01:35 PM
I used the lubricated wads and found that if you seat the ball hard against it the lube will saturate not only around the ball it will also saturate the powder. I loaded about 15 grains in my 36 and some of the shots sounded like it barely pushed the ball out of the barrel, with each shot sounding a little different. I also used them on my 44 cal with 25 gr. with tight rams and didn't notice varying discharges in sound but I am certain it was enough to effect accuracy. I started ramming lighter with the 36 at 15 gr. and didn't notice the varying discharges but am confident is makes a difference in accuracy.
Loading the .454 balls, rather than the .451, in the .44 results in a complete ring of lead shaving. If using good quality balls (no bubbles or deformity) I don't see how there could be a crossfire, unless from the nipple end, and the wads wouldn't help that. I no longer use wads or grease the cylinders when using good quality balls and loading properly.

As for Pietta... I look at it as buying a Chevrolet instead of a Lincoln. I expect them not to be as good. There is a reason they cost less. The deciding factor for me is if they meet my safety standards and if they are comfortable. That will vary from gun to gun, even within the same model. I wouldn't buy one until I feel and inspect it or if there is a good return policy.

Although Cabelas tried to pass off a complete junk 1860 Army, they sent a nice one overnight as a replacement. I've fired it hundreds of times and still very satisfied with it. Ed.

glen walker
April 20, 2007, 02:15 AM
I'vd been on the computer looking at the Rugers. Of course, everyone know's that Ruger make's excellent firearms. Good steel, good piano wire springs and what have you. Those black powder Old Armies of his call for a .457 ball. I read some of his Instruction Manual on screen, but evidently I either missed or couldn't find the load data sheets. Judging from the pictures of them, those revolvers just dosen't appear to me to have a very large powder capacity. Those.457 balls are pretty heavy. That's what feed's my Colt Walker, but those chambers in a Walker cylinder will hold enough powder to blast a satelite into orbit. I'm just guessing, and I mean just guessing, that Ruger's recommended powder load would be no more than than the standard recommended load for the Uberti or Pietta .44...I don't know...I do know that little things can make a big difference. Like I am satisfied in my own mind, that everything being equal, the Colt Navy will give you the first shot. I know for a fact that the eight inch barrel (just a half inch longer) on the Pietta New Army models will carry better down range, and have more foot pounds when it get's there, ('knock down power' if you will) and are a lot more accurate down range. I guess it all depends on what a person likes. I probably won't ever buy a Ruger. I don't need one anyway. I'm getting to be an old man. I'vd been helping to feed myself and take care of myself for near all of my life with my Pietta's and Uberti's, and the've always done by me just fine. But what I'm saying is, with a seven and one half inch barrel, and what I consider must be (from the picture of the cylinder) a relatively low charge for a .457, I don't see that the Ruger Old Army would be all that much more impressive, (at least for the prices he charge's) other than the fact that you could maybe drop it off of a cliff, and then climb down there and pick it up, and it would still shoot. I might be wrong; it wouldn't be the first time, but the way I see it in my mind: I'm not wasting my money on a Ruger. If any of ya'll own one, or know much about them, I would be happy to read your posts. I won't make any kind of smart aleck reply. I'm just interested is all, and would appreciate the input.. God Bless...Glen...

barman
April 20, 2007, 06:26 AM
I also have a Pietta rem58. I have the Uberti version as well.

I agree that the steel used by Pietta seems to be softer than Uberti's.
After a year of normal use, I had to change the hand and the trigger spring on the Pietta due to abnormal wear.

glen walker
April 21, 2007, 04:35 PM
Well, I ordered some pistol wads.

superdave47
August 1, 2008, 09:22 PM
Brand new guy to the site. I too recently recieved a Pietta revolver.
I am not at home now but believe it to be a 1858 Remington. I am not
impressed. The guy I bought it from told me he had to return the first one
to Gander Mountain because it would not always lock into the fully cocked
position, letting the hammer fall. Cool. Anyhow the one I got from him seems
fine, shoots well and all in all is a pretty smooth action. Except.. I cannot
disassemble the gun. I have heard they have had some quality issues in this area, but I am very close to damaging the gun in order to merely clean it. I have tried to take a precision screwdriver and wedge it carefully in to get the tang well below the latch. It refuses to budge. Am I missing something here?

Voodoochile
August 1, 2008, 09:32 PM
Take a look at this exploded view.
1858 New Model Army (http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_657&products_id=12252)

Is this the gun you have?

If so what part are you trying to diss assemble?

mykeal
August 1, 2008, 11:51 PM
superdave47 - if your gun matches the exploded view provided by Voodoochile, go to the top of this forum and open the thread entitled, "Black Powder Essentials". Then open the link to disassembling the 1858 New Army. Those two resources should provide all the help you need.

Revolvers don't have tangs, so I don't understand what you are describing, and can't help much beyond that.

pohill
August 2, 2008, 12:13 AM
Glen Walker, I am a Ruger convert. Never thought I'd own one, glad I do. Easiest gun to load in very cold or very hot weather due to the large chamber sizes. But, to each his own.
Are you related to Gentleman of the Charcoal in any way? You have alot of his mannerisms and writing style.

mykeal
August 2, 2008, 08:45 AM
I own 4 Piettas and 5 Ubertis. The oldest Pietta was made in 1981, the newest in 2006. The oldest Uberti was made in 1981, the newest in 2007.

The quality of the Ubertis has always been very good to excellent. The Piettas were initially below average but have improved greatly and now compete with Uberti. Having said that, it is still possible to get a lemon from either company, so neither one has reached Colt status yet. I should say that my definition of quality is based on an assessment of fit, finish and function, with function including reliability, smoothness of the action and how often I have to repair/replace parts.

I cannot reasonably say that one manufacturer's guns are more accurate than the other's. That metric depends more on the model and how the particular gun fits my physical traits than who built it.

This thread has gotten well away from the original thesis. I also own Ruger, Colt, Euroarms (Armi San Paolo) or Armi San Marco; but I don't wish to hijack the thread any further. I'll just say that the Ruger is well above any of the others, except perhaps the Colt, in quality. It's the finest bp gun I've ever owned, handled or seen for that matter. If we wish to continue this we should open a new thread.

chaoszen
August 3, 2008, 06:24 AM
I bought a Pietta 1858 a couple months ago from Cabelas. And it is perfect in every regard. High quality and no complaints. I have fired over 200 rounds through it after converting it to .45 Long Colt and it is as tight as when new. And accurate. I shot and old laid out hen right through the eye at 25 yards... Take what you hear with a grain of salt round here...;)

Red Beard
August 6, 2008, 02:00 PM
I'm bought this pistol through private sale:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/Belt_Fed_Red/pix1727343250.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/Belt_Fed_Red/pix1727343343.jpg

I compared it to Urberti and the finish looks really nice! If its ate up I'll send it to Traditions.

madmike
January 22, 2011, 03:51 PM
My (2004) 1858 Pietta had minor trouble locking the hammer when new. It wore in with a few dozen cycles. I adjusted the spring to make cocking easier.

After a few hundred balls, the hammer did gall and locked. A little stoning fixed it. I haven't hardened it, but might.

Otherwise, fit and finish are exceptional, and accuracy is good.

I haven't tried an Uberti but may for an 1860.

BHP FAN
January 22, 2011, 04:42 PM
Glen, the 1858 Carbine is an Uberti. Almost all of the rest of your posts remind me of my own almost forty years of muzzle loading.Welcome aboard!

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