Rainier Lead safe bullets


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bigcim
April 13, 2007, 11:47 PM
I recently purchased 45acp 230 grain RN. I was planning on using the 230 grain Jacketed load data in my Lymans book, but some one told me I have to refer to the cast 230 grain load data for this bullet. Is this true

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distra
April 13, 2007, 11:54 PM
You should use lead data for these, but I split the difference between lead and jacketed. I load these over 4.5 gr Bullseye, OAL 1.273, .470 crimp. They function fine in my pistols not too light nor too hot. 4.0gr of Bullseye works, but I got a few stove pipes so I just boosted the charge a little, still under the jacketed max of 5.0gr. BTW, I've loaded and shoot at least 1000 of these. Very accurate in my hands.

Mark whiz
April 13, 2007, 11:58 PM
I'll second the recommendation to split the difference between lead and jacketed loads for Ranier bullets. I shoot the 200gr SWCs out of my 1911-A1 and they are the most accurate round it shoots.

bigcim
April 14, 2007, 12:00 AM
I bought 231 powder to go with them as well

GP100man
April 14, 2007, 12:06 AM
yes,the rainers are soft swagedbullets&a copper (skin).003 to.007 thick.
in357 mag i litely crimped & pushed on them(about 1300fps)& the jackets would blow off of them,one lodging in the bore ,i was checking after every shot anyways!!!
you can tell when approaching what they can handle accuracy will go to pot in a hurry. i guess i bought hi priced plinkers, but they have a niche maybe in action pistol or uspsa.
got a buddy that uses my press swears by um in 45.acp & 5grs.231 in his gun!:)

GP100man

Walkalong
April 14, 2007, 12:11 AM
You can load the .45 230 Gr. RN Raniers at 90% of jacketed data with no problems. Not speculation, been there done that. Berry's also.
I prefer the Berry's 230 Gr RN to the Ranier. :)
Load them at 1.260 with WLP primers and 5.5 Grs W231, 8.5 Grs. AA# 5, or 5.4 Grs. AA# 2.


Raniers 200 Gr. SWC is very, very, accurate. You may want to try them.
Load them at 1.260 with WLP primers and 5.8 Grs. W231, 6.6 Grs. Universal Clays, 8.7 Grs. AA# 5, or 5.7 Grs. AA# 2.

Light taper crimp only. Overcrimp will ruin accuracy.

These loads were safe in my guns with my load technique, reduce 10% to start.

bigcim
April 14, 2007, 02:07 AM
i guess i bought hi priced plinkers
mine weren't expensive

Walkalong
April 14, 2007, 09:16 AM
mine weren't expensive

Mine weren't either, but have you bought any lately? :eek:

FieroCDSP
April 14, 2007, 10:38 AM
I've been shooting the 155gr 40's for a while now. I like 'em. Reasonably priced when you buy them in large numbers.

Walkalong
April 14, 2007, 10:51 AM
Try the Berry's 180 Gr. .40 for nice loads that don't recoil near like the 155 pills. Nice.

bigcim
April 14, 2007, 12:21 PM
I think I bought 500 for 39.99

Luggernut
April 14, 2007, 12:39 PM
I use Berrys- plated just like Rainer, 230gr at 1.260 COL with WLP primers and 5.2 Grs W231. Could go a little hotter but seems to be a nice load for practice.

GP100man
April 14, 2007, 02:03 PM
ive cast all my revolver boolits since 00, no comparison in cost ,just time!!

GP100man:D

Idano
April 14, 2007, 04:35 PM
bigcim

You didn't buy high priced plinker's. There is a good write up in this months Dillon catalog on Rainier Ballistics and they reiterate the same that I have experienced. Rainier bullets are high quality bullets and plating thickness is caliber specific and handle velocities up to 1,250 fps. The Dillon article states many law enforcement and government agencies now use Rainier bullets. I have very hot 155 gr PHP load for my 9mm that is moving at 1,300 fps that is very accurate with the bullet mushrooming very nicely without any jacket or leading issues. By the way it is my understand that Speer is now plating their bullets too.

kjohnson7.62
April 14, 2007, 04:49 PM
I've been running rainier bullets in 9mm and 380 for awhile now. Never any jacket seperation issues. I've even pushed the 95gr, close to 1350 out of my beretta 92fs. I have just bought 1k of therainier 230 gr. 45 hp I plan on using the jhp data.

joneb
April 14, 2007, 05:51 PM
Keep your eyes open :what:
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The bullet on the right is a .357 dia. 140gr FP from Raineer, the bullet on the left was in the same box the dia. measures .360" :eek:

Walkalong
April 14, 2007, 06:29 PM
Whoops, I'll still buy em.:)
I like the 125 Gr. Ranier better though.


You didn't buy high priced plinker's.
I've even pushed the 95gr, close to 1350

Ditto
I have shot Raniers 115 Gr. RN at up to 1300+ in a 5" barel and 1400+ in a CX4 Storm with good accuracy and no problems.

I use jacketed data also. I just start at a reasonable spot and work up.:)

Redneck with a 40
April 14, 2007, 06:54 PM
I'm currently loading 165 grain Rainier bullets in 40S&W. I'm using 6 grains of Unique and its a good load, not too much recoil, very accurate. I started out with 5.8 grains, but they were "dribbling" out of the slide, the charge was a little light. The gun didn't jam, but I upped the charge to 6 grains. Its all good now.:D

Walkalong
April 14, 2007, 07:43 PM
Try Universal Clays. My Witness Match .40 loves it and it's much cleaner than Unique. :)
Might want to try Zero 165 Gr. JHP's (http://ghostholster.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_47&products_id=144)too. Good stuff.

Redneck with a 40
April 14, 2007, 08:50 PM
I got a steal on 8 lbs of Unique at Sportsmans Warehouse for $85 during a sale, I'm gonna stick with it. The "new" formulation of Unique is much cleaner than the old stuff, btw.

Exposure
April 14, 2007, 11:08 PM
bigcim-

I run the Rainier .45ACP 230 grain RN bullets over 4.9 grains of 231 with CCI #300 LP primers. I use these in my subgun and my 1911. It is a very accurate load.

It's currently my favorite .45 recipe!

distra
April 15, 2007, 11:07 AM
I got a steal on 8 lbs of Unique at Sportsmans Warehouse for $85 during a sale,

That's a deal! My shooting buddy just picked up 8lbs through our club for $95. I'm going to sign-up for some bulk purchases through our club, a little more cash outlay up front, but cost/round goes down.

robshil6
May 3, 2008, 07:56 PM
Is anyone loading rainier 165g fp 40 s&w I am trying to find mins and max for 231 win. I have 3 books nothing covers 165g rob

ezbuzzsaw
June 3, 2010, 11:06 PM
I have been having trouble with these loads, good at 7 yards terrible at 20. I lhave tryed them at 5.2 down to 4.8 and cant get back to the accuracy of the Rem bulk FMJ I was using. My OAL is 1.273 is my crimp the problem? I was shooting fine with my sons P929 but with two different loads over two weeks my P220 just was horrable at 20 yards. Mostly shooting 6" low and very poor paterns. I have been shooting the old FMJ remingtons for 17 years but I do not think it is me because I am fine with the other guns. Please give me your input! Thanks!

squarles67
June 4, 2010, 11:53 AM
Is anyone loading rainier 165g fp 40 s&w I am trying to find mins and max for 231 win. I have 3 books nothing covers 165g rob

I loaded the 165g fp with 5.2 g HP-38(same as W231) with OAL 1.12, they shot very good in my M&P .40 full size.

mahansm
June 4, 2010, 12:40 PM
I'm running them in front of 5.0 grains 231 through my Sig 226 and 229. Works just fine. Recycled Winchester white box brass, WSP primers.

Walkalong
June 4, 2010, 01:35 PM
Link to some plated bullet data (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6195350&postcount=11).

wv67
June 5, 2010, 10:33 AM
I tried Powerbond's plated bullets for .38/357. I went through the entire batch and all mic'd what they were supposed to be. PB suggested using Speer's data for their plated and TMJ bullets to load PB's plated bullets.

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