Oh my, papa's got a case o' the vapors. I want one!
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April 14, 2007, 02:41 AM
Indeed! Rounded or birdshead grip would've been nice, but this'll do!
April 14, 2007, 02:44 AM
Yeah, SBH hammers work real good.
One issue though: is SASS/CAS going to approve this?
They SHOULD, but will they?
I've ranted on this before. SASS feels that a $200 Power Custom drop-in tuned hammer/trigger set is legal because "it's the same shape as stock", but a $35 SBH hammer that doesn't affect performance but just makes the gun fit your hand better "isn't period".
It's akin to a NASCAR race where you can get as wild as you want with your driveline but everybody has to sit in the same size seat, same size steering wheel in the same location, same reach to the pedals and shifter. And if that combo doesn't fit your body, tough luck.
Does this even BEGIN to make sense?
April 14, 2007, 03:56 AM
I don't shoot SASS, more power to those that do, but I will have one of these post-haste!
I agree Jim, it does seem odd, especially when they let things in like the Henry Big Boy, or Big Bore, or Boy Toy or whatever:evil:
April 14, 2007, 03:59 AM
The situation is being discussed on SASSNet like I guessed it would:
What seems to have happened is, somebody within the rules committee realized that forcing HORSEMEN to shoot guns that don't fit their hands is completely bats@%$ insane. So they allowed SBH hammer swaps for mounted competition, but have not done so for anybody else.
Which is why the blurb for this talks about mounted competition. This gun has an SBH hammer - they can call it whatever they want, and granted the checkering pattern on the hammer is new (possibly might show up on SBHs soon if it hasn't already?) but it's otherwise pure SBH.
Sidenote: my New Vaq wears the original style SBH hammer which isn't "checkered" but rather has slightly arched "groove lines" running across it. That setup is FAR better for hammer slipping than the checkered one we see here. The grooved SBH hammer freakin' ROCKS for hammer slipping.
April 14, 2007, 08:30 AM
The hammer looks very similar to the standard SBH hammer - perhaps an easy 'change' to go to that checkering. I have three 4.6" SS BHG (Black Micarta.) revolvers. I fitted the Bisley hammer to my 4.6" SS BHG .45 - and the .22 Bisley's hammer to my .32 BHG. My .44 version is a SBH with a QPR BHG frame/grip fitted. The SBH hammer is a drop-in - no fitting required for a Vaq or BH. Of course, the 3.75" Vaquero was around for some time with the BHG. They did have a problem in reloading - the shortened ejector wouldn't fully toss the empties. Additionally, the required flush-headed base pin seemed to be less tolerant of recoil, often coming loose - or, as I experienced with another range-user's revolver, they can actually eject the base pin. Also, I have to wonder why they neglected to include their newbie's weight in that data.
I won't be getting in line for one. I guess the smaller grip frame design barely permits the lock to be equipped, and the shortened BH style - and the BHG - just wouldn't permit it's future inclusion, thus their MIA status in the catalogs. Now, if they'd go to the tighter, ie, non-black powder spec, chamber ID, that'd get my attention. Of course, it would probably not be popular in a CAS gun, as it'd require more frequent cleaning - and some of their competition can be involved.
April 14, 2007, 10:10 AM
Sweet! Wish it came in a birdshead configuration though.
April 14, 2007, 03:16 PM
They should have left the ejector rod completely off, IMHO. And if you want a minimum-spec chamber, see if you can find a .357 cylinder and have Dave Clements (or someone) fit and line bore it in .45 Colt.
April 14, 2007, 03:28 PM
It's unlikely Ruger will ever produce another SA model without a grip-frame keylock.
That keylock can't fit in a BH grip frame. The lock is too long. The Bisley could be revamped to take it no problem, but not the BH, it's likely dead as a factory part.
Thank God for the MKTech BH grip frames, esp. the easy-to-fit brass ones.
May 26, 2007, 05:55 PM
Very nice!! Man, I got to have one of those!!
September 8, 2007, 05:28 PM
Well, I finally got one!! Here it is with new Elk grips from Grashorn Gunworks.