[Snaps]

I'm going to get a new flat top reciever for my Bushmaster adn was looking aroudn trying ot figure out which site. The C-More ones look decent. I saw some bUshnell ones that were supposed to be high end but I don't really knwo what kind of thing I'm really looking for. Even Bushmaster's website has EO Tech ones that are pricy but again I don't really know what the big difference is.

Any suggestions? Once I get out of normal deer rifle scopes I'm pretty much over my head.

THanks

[Zak Smith]

It all depends what you want to use it for...

[warrior23]

i just got the Eotech 552 rev e ,it took a little getting use to but for cqb I feel it one of the best.The Aimpoints are great also.i also have a Reflex 2, 4moa dot which is great also no batts required just have problems with the dot fading out due to bright light in the back ground.The Aimpoints had problems with battery life but thats worked out on newer models.

[Snaps]

Just plinking and to have on the gun just incase. I can't hunt with it in this state.
i just got the Eotech 552 rev e ,it took a little getting use to but for cqb I feel it one of the best
whats' the display look like on one of those thing?

[ChairborneRanger]

I'd seriously consider a Trijicon if I were you-----nice advanced scope/sighting device!!

[Snaps]

I'd seriously consider a Trijicon if I were you-----nice advanced scope/sighting device!! \
Which one? I'm on the site now and they've got some nice stuff but for the same price as the gun:) I'm thinking around 4 or 500 tops

[ChairborneRanger]

I have Trijicon's compact ACOG w/amber crosshair----not inexpensive, but, I really like it. Best price I found was from www.sableco.net

[uglygun]

Avoid the Cmore. Durability issues and reliability issues are present with the Cmores.

Their zero can wander, they can get muck on the little LED that projects the target dot on the lens, any moisture/water on the screen and the dot is going to refract into a zillion dots, and it's relatively fragile compared to other more rugged systems.


Trijicon Reflex, pro is that it doesn't use any batteries. Con, is that it can have light sensitivity issues in some situations where the dot contrast is seriously lacking for the tastes of some folks. I owned a Trijicon Reflex long before I ever owned an Aimpoint, I like the Reflex and will continue to use it but I think I like my Aimpoint Comp M more.

ACOG prices are REALLY shooting up right now with military contracts or demands for the sights, good lug going for the magnified optics.


The Aimpoint Comps and the EOtechs are good sights, both seem to be quite rugged. The EOtech has a shroud you can put on the sight to protect it a bit more.

[Redlg155]

For a great sight I'd really look at the Aimpoint Comp ML2. A Comp M with an ARMS #22M68 mount with spacer will work nicely on your flatop and run you a tad bit over $400.

It's really hard to beat the features, battery life and warranty of the Aimpoint. Take a peek here...SWFA (http://www.riflescopes.com/riflescopes/aimpoint/index.html)

Had one and sold it a while back. Now I'm regretting it and purchasing another one! :D

Good Shooting
Red

[Rob96]

I prefer the K.I.S.S. school of thought with all of my firearms. I just use the plain A2 iron sights.

[curt]

Here's another vote for the aimpoint, its fun for plinking and good for CQB. However, if its to have a role as a defensive weapon then you should really consider a backup iron sight like the ARMS #40. Do you already have a carry handle upper? If so i'd keep that on for defensive purposes and use whatever for play.

[gun-fucious]

the aimpoint is called the M68 by the Army,
the fact that there is a TM (TM 9-1240-413-12&P) on that red dot should tell you something about its ability to withstand an 18 year old on patrol

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/machine_guns/aimpoint/

http://www.geocities.com/tacticalstudiesgroup/ccoindex.htm

[Snaps]

I like the Aimpoint that alot seem to be suggesting. How many of y'all have it?

Curt, I have the carry handle M-4 style right now, I may just end up buying an entire upper reciever to get some more stuff I'd like to have on it. I have a 3-9 scope on it right now but I can't get it to hold without doing something crazy like Loctite.

now what the sam hell is up with this?
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/aimpoint/aimpoint2.jpg
what's up with the 2 sites on it? One Night maybe?

[uglygun]

Rear monocular is a night vision device, the optic in the front is an Aimpoint Comp M which is night vision compatible(two lowest settings are compatible with NV they are so dim).

By mounting the nightvision sight behind the Aimpoint sight, the nightvision optic presents the shooter with an image of what the Aimpoint "sees". No loss of zero since the night vision device is what is installed or removed as needed.

[Snaps]

That's a hell of an idea. Wonder how much that would cost me?

Thanks for the info

[RussB]

I have the ML2 mounted on my RRA CAR UTE using Aimpoint's #10819 weaver mount. It is a durable, well built tool. I highly reccommend them.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid64/p59fe5b5c0c2c5f7f773a0aff71546175/fc01b244.jpg

[Snaps]

Is that a big thing to get the rail ontop of flattop reciever?

I'm on their site now, I can't find that damn NV piece:(

[uglygun]

The night vision monoculars are typically ITT 6015 or ITT 4015s, they mount using one of the available mounts out there offered by companies like GG&G or PRI.


The NVD will set you back between 2-5k dollars depending on the generation level of the night vision optic.

[Brian Williams]

I like the looks of the OKO sight and have heard or read a lot about them.
http://www.cavalryarms.com/okosights.html

http://www.cavalryarms.com/SC3.jpg

[gun-fucious]

check out http://www.GGGaz.com/products/apcantring.php for mounting options

on a carry handle upper you need a gooseneck:
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/aimpoint/aimpoint1.jpg

[Jaywalker]

Mine is set up with a RRA base and the Aimpoint, just as RussB's is above. (I can't get my fingers into the base, so it isn't a "handle.") It's a great setup; if you should ever need to shoot and the Aimpoint battery is dead, or switched off, you just sight your irons through the glass and shoot as if the Aimpoint wasn't even there. The current models have extremely long battery life, I'm told - estimated 10,000 hours at half power, IIRC; that's 416 days, even if you never turn it off. It's a 4-MOA dot, but I shoot regular, if not consistent, 3-inch groups at 100 yards.

I did notice something right after I bought it that I wish I had known before, though. Looking at the red dot without glasses, the "dot" wan't a "dot;" it was a "star." Wearing my glasses, the shape turned dot-like again. Apparently, astigmatism causes the shape to spread, and my glasses corrected for it.

Something I don't like is its tendency to accept knob corrections diagonally instead of directly horizontally or vertically. It's not a deal-killer, but it's incovenient sighting it in.

Jaywalker

[uglygun]

The astigmatism thing would be of issue with any red dot sight for the most part, not an Aimpoint only thing. But Aimpoint is atleast nice enough to put a FAQ about this obscured dot issue on their webpage for people to read about.


Here's a picture of what the co-witness looks like on my Aimpoint Comp M looking through the 500 yard horizon aperature of my ARMS backup rear sight.
http://home.bak.rr.com/varmintcong/14.5in/Viewthrough.jpg

[curt]

jaywalker, if your reddot has an intensity control try using the lowest setting that still allows you to see the dot, that may help some.

[Snaps]

on a carry handle upper you need a gooseneck:

Personally I'd rather keep my carry handle, but I can't get bracked to stay tight so I'm just planning on switching out.

[Jaywalker]

Curt, thanks, but it shows as a star at all visible levels - it's the shape of my eyeball now. (It didn't use to be that shape; I wonder if even my EYES have gained weight!)

Uglygun, I like to think my screams of misery had something to do with Aimpoint's FAQ re astigmatism. I may even be right, or possibly my dealer getting multiple "offers" to return their scopes for refund after I posted a review on AR-15.com.

It's still a great sight, though, though I haven't yet got up the nerve to remove the mount to see if it'll go back to the same point of aim.

Jaywalker

[Snaps]

I just ordered all the parts I need to switch mine over to what I want so now I've got to hurry up and decide what to get.

THanks for the advice all

[Snaps]

I have to bring this back from the dead since my order should be here before long. I went with the Bushmaster flat top with the flip up sights. Now their picture has those sights with the EOTECH HOLOSIGHT. That looks like the flip up open sights are designed to see through that. I've decided to go with the Aimpoint, will that work with those? I don't see why not as long as I flipped teh caps up, but I figured I'd check to see some opinions here.

[uglygun]

Careful mount selection will assure you get a cowitness.


Most of the mounts out there for the Aimpoint will mange to do it right off of a flattop receiver with no additional risers or adapters. How much you looking to spend on a mount is about the only question left to ask, ARMS makes a great mount with their #22 and they just came out with a "gooseneck" spacer that brings the Aimpoint up to a perfect cowitness through the iron sights mounting directly off the flattop receiver. Other mounts out there are the Aimpoint railgrabber, GG&G gooseneck, or the Knights Armament mounts.

[Snaps]

I'm not really worried about prices of mounts. I'm big on the you've only got to buy the right part once thing. I just have to shop around and try to make it easier on myself by asking y'all.:)

Happen to have any sites where I could find those ones you mentioned? I'm about to try google and see what pops up. I'm really only concerned about if it works right then I'm happy and not worried about costs.

[444]

The Aimpoint is the way to go on the AR15. The military agrees with me. I have used two different mounts; ARMs and a GG&G cantilever. They both worked great and both co-witness.
I have used the Aimpoint in a number of rifle classes firing from 3 yards out to 400. I have no complaints at all. Accuracy is not an issue, reliablility is not an issue, battery life is not an issue. There is one issue; I have the ARMS mount which allows you to remove the Aimpoint with the throw of a single lever. When returned to the rifle, mine did not maintain it's zero. It was about 6" low at 200 yards. That being said, there is no reason to remove the sight unless it is broken. You can use the irons without removing the Aimpoint, you can replace batteries or whatever and never remove the Aimpoint. So, to me, this isn't a real issue either, but it is nice to know.
My advice on dealers; e-mail MSTN (Mid-South Tactical Network). http://www.mstn.biz/
MSTN is the best gun related product business I have ever dealt with. They really know their crap. I quit researching subjects like this. I E-Mail MSTN and tell them what I want to do. They make a suggestion. I buy. They have never been wrong yet.

[Snaps]

I don't really see any reason to be taking it on and off either. I'm really fond of being able to handle things first but if I can find one that will work right I'll pick it up. So with that ARMS #22, which mount would I need? L, M or H?

[444]

Not to be pushy, but E-Mail MSTN. Tell them what you want to do. They will tell you what you need. They KNOW. And they sell it all.

[Snaps]

Oh you're not pushy. It's already sent:D I just don't like waiting for things. I'm kinda stubborn like that. Makes me feel like:banghead:


:)

[uglygun]

Snaps, ARMS makes a setup specifically for the Aimpoint. Look for the #22M68 with spacer if mounting directly to the flattop. There's a regular straight vertical spacer and then there's the newer gooseneck spacer.


Like mentioned just above, contact MSTN as he'll have most everything in stock. There's also threads out the wazoo over at AR15.com in their forums about mounting Aimpoints to flattops.

[444]

I started off with the GG&G cantilever mount that I used on a flat top. It co-witnessed and put the dot right where I wanted it. The reason I changed was because I installed a KAC RAS II which has a "hump" where it attaches to the flat top. The meant that the cantilever was now too high and would not co-witness the sights. So, I called MSTN, told them what I had and they sent me the correct ARMs mount for use with the RAS II (which I also bought from them). It now also is at just the right height. To be honest, I don't know exactly what I have; I just took their word for it and it worked great. I do know that you have the mount itself, a spacer, and the rings.

If you emailed MSTN I bet you get an answer tonight. The fact that it is Sunday probably won't matter; they have GREAT customer service.

[Snaps]

If I get a reply before mid morning tomorrow I'd be amazed. But I'd be happy. Hell, I'd be more than happy to buy it from whoever takes the time to give me the info.

Thanks for that site though. I never know where to look for this kinda stuff.:(

[uglygun]

444, your mount look like this one in the picture?

http://home.bak.rr.com/varmintcong/14.5in/145rdown.jpg


That's an #22M68 without spacer, the ARMS #38Ext sleeve gives additional height ontop of the receiver rails so the spacer is not needed.

The same is said to be true for the Knights RAS2 "hump" which I totally believe, you've probably got the #22M68 as well.


Snaps, which flip up rear sights did you go for? ARMS #40 or one of the other brands like a Bushmaster backup iron sight?

[444]

Ok, you made me go get it out.
Yes, that looks like my mount.
The base is marked ARMS-17 Tri-Lock
The ring part is marked COMP II M68

And you are right, on mine their is no spacer. The whole point of me buying it was to get it lower to the reciever.

I am using an ARMS #40 rear sight and a standard front sight tower. I previously was using a GG&G fold down rear sight, and it was fine. But since I was changing the optic mount I decided to also get the ARMS rear also.
I now have the GG&G rear sight on my .458 SOCOM upper. It has a four rail gas block and I bought the Bushmaster front sight for it. I am also going to be using the GG&G cantilever Aimpoint mount on that upper when I get a second Aimpoint to put on it. Right now I am using an ARMS scope mount with a Leupold 2-8x varible scope. I don't know the configuration on that mount either. I called MSTN and told them what I wanted to do.........................

[Snaps]

I went with Bushmaster's Modular Accessories System Rear Flip-up Sight. Front to match it. I'm really not that picky, as long as everything works I'm happy.