Who makes the best DOUBLE ACTION .45 ACP?


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Mark IV Series 80
June 15, 2003, 11:44 PM
Who makes the best DOUBLE ACTION .45 ACP?

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Shmackey
June 16, 2003, 12:10 AM
Glock doesn't make a double-action .45ACP.

I don't care for DA, but it's hard to argue with the Sig 220 or HK.

10-Ring
June 16, 2003, 12:16 AM
The best DA? Well, it really depends on the shooter & how much time & effort they put into learning that trigger. I smirk at people that spend way too much on the newest & greatest & don't dedicate themselves into learning their equipment.
To more directly answer your poll question, I'd go w/ the HK USP 45 simply because that is the one that has worked best for me & with me.

Mark IV Series 80
June 16, 2003, 12:16 AM
Sorry about that, Shmackey!

The question that I should have asked is:

"Who makes the best non-single-action autoloader in .45 ACP?"

Andrew Wyatt
June 16, 2003, 12:23 AM
The Sig is the best, because they don't try to make a double stack magazine for a round that's practically a half inch wide.

Handy
June 16, 2003, 12:31 AM
While not the best trigger, the HK USP offers a very managable grip and a really excellent recoil reduction system.

My old 10 round Tanfoglio Witness had a very small grip.



The best DA .45 ever was the old HK P9S.

agony
June 16, 2003, 12:43 AM
SIG makes the greatest DA .45ACP pistol... the almighty
P220

A close second goes to the HK USP series.

Bren
June 16, 2003, 02:18 AM
I would say a tie between the CZ-97 and the Sig 220 depending on what feels best in the hand. :uhoh:

Stephen A. Camp
June 16, 2003, 02:35 AM
Hello. What Bren said.

Best.

Rich357
June 16, 2003, 03:48 AM
The SIG P220 and P220ST are very nice (I have a P220ST), but I also am very happy with the performance of my Glock 30.

Rich

New_comer
June 16, 2003, 06:16 AM
I voted HK (hey, what's new... ;))


I really like the twelve pounds of consistent initial DA pull on my USP, smoothened over thousands of rounds and dry-firings. Allows for a more confident cond 2 carry. :D

PCRCCW
June 16, 2003, 07:29 AM
Ill go between the Sig and CZ...depending on your guns role in life. If its a CCW...the 245 is hard to beat. For a smaller gun anyway...the 97 and 220 are both fine examples of what guns can be..........
shoot well

WonderNine
June 16, 2003, 07:51 AM
Two words: DOUBLE EAGLE

































No, not really :D

chevrofreak
June 16, 2003, 08:04 AM
I voted Glock because its my favorite make.

Though my true feelings were toward CZ for the 97b


what a gun

denfoote
June 16, 2003, 08:26 AM
I only have one true double action .45 auto. It's a Ruger P97DC.
Soooooo, anybody wanna guess what I voted for???

only1asterisk
June 16, 2003, 08:56 AM
Seems like the results are roughly equal to pricetag?

Dave

Preacherman
June 16, 2003, 10:55 AM
Bren has it: either CZ or SIG, depending on what feels best in your hand. Both are outstanding weapons. However, the CZ may need some tuning to feed hollowpoints reliably - don't know about the SIG.

Ala Dan
June 16, 2003, 11:47 AM
The only two DA .45 auto's that I've ever owned
are the H&K USP-F, and the SIG-Sauer P220. Both
are truly remarkable firearm's in their own right.
I think it comes down to individual taste; and for
me, the H&K was just too darn large. OTOH, the
SIG with its sleek design was the "perfect fit" for
me. Add to that, SIG's stone-cold RELIABILITY,
OUTSTANDING ACCURACY, and SUPERIOR
DESIGN (CRAFTSMANSHIP) and you have a
winner!:) :D :uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

euclid
June 16, 2003, 08:37 PM
Sig 220. That pistol is a work of genius.

cheers

Marko Kloos
June 16, 2003, 08:44 PM
"Best" labels are always subjective.

Subjectively, if my wife handed me her credit card over breakfast and said, "Get yourself the DA .45 you want," I would go out and buy a SIG Sauer P220, in my opinion the best DA/SA .45 on the market.

bnbc
June 16, 2003, 09:00 PM
Smith Wesson Performance Center CQB or their Shorty 45.
Very smooth da trigger pull and super cocked trigger release.
Has trigger reset as short as best 1911.
Only 45 autos I've shot that come close to perfection da.

George Hill
June 16, 2003, 09:12 PM
The CZ-97 is so close but takes second to the SIG P220.
If CZ did just a fewof things... it would tie or beat the SIG.
1. Plastic guide rod needs to go.
2. 12# spring needs to be 16#.
3. Throated at the Factory for JHP feeding.
4. Fix the magazine gap.
5. Use two screws on the grips intead of one.
6. Give it a decocker.
That's about it...

Oh... and make a "Commander" version. A 4 inch version would be joygasmic. (especially with a matching reduction in the grip length)

Mako25
June 16, 2003, 10:19 PM
I love the Sig P220. IMHO, Out of the box it good to go, 100%.

Tango Sierra
June 16, 2003, 10:33 PM
I voted the H&K USP which I feel is the finest .45 DA/SA full size there is. If it was to be a full size for CCW then my choice changes to the Sig Sauer P220.

natedog
June 16, 2003, 11:52 PM
I voted Sig-Sauer because the P-220 has the best double action pull I've ever felt. But I think the USP 45 is a superior handgun overall.

glocksman
June 17, 2003, 02:10 AM
Smith & Wesson 4506.

The one I had would feed anything, including a magazine full of empty cases as fast as I could rack the slide. I've never seen any other gun do that out of the box.

DA pull was a little heavy, but Wolff springs fixed that.
It never jammed and never failed to fire.

All steel and durable as hell.
The only drawback is that it didn't fit my hand as well as a 1911.

If you find one of these on the used market, jump on it with both feet.

Tamara
June 17, 2003, 02:15 AM
'Nother vote for the P-220.

Ian11
June 17, 2003, 03:41 AM
SIG Sauer P220ST

For me, nothing else even comes close. My favorite .45 ACP pistol.

mainmech48
June 17, 2003, 04:00 AM
I voted for the CZ 97B. I've shot other people's SIG 220s, and they're sweet shooters. But I'm a southpaw, and the control layout on the 220 is too unfriendly for me to buy one.

Almost voted S&W. My 4586 has the shortest, sweetest, quickest resetting DAO trigger pull I've ever seen. Absolutely reliable, but nowhere near as accurate as my 97B.

Neil Keller did a "duty" action tune and installed an ambi thumb safety from an EAA on mine. I got a SS FLGR from a fellow named Mike Sardinha on the CZ Forum board and 16 and 18lb recoil springs from Wolff.

The one-screw grip panels were kind of a pain, as the screws tended to work loose after a few magazine loads. A small rubber o-ring under each screw head or a drop of blue Loctite will both cure that.

The Rugers that I've fired have had nice trigger pulls and were both very accurate. The only reason that I don't own one is that they don't fit my hand well at all.

Mastrogiacomo
June 17, 2003, 07:29 AM
I'd take the Cougar 8045 -- I think it comes in both single/double action and double action only. Not in my state though....:fire:

PCRCCW
June 17, 2003, 07:50 AM
Goerge Hill says....the CZ97 needs a

"6. Give it a decocker." :what:

Blasphemy! Where are the paddles....he's flat lining :D

and "Oh... and make a "Commander" version. A 4 inch version would be joygasmic. (especially with a matching reduction in the grip length)"

Ok....that brought him back to life..............sheesh.........:neener:

Shoot well

George Hill
June 17, 2003, 11:58 AM
"I'd take the Cougar 8045"
I would have to look into that further, but all the ones I've seen are the Mini-Cougers and they are only 6 shooters. If they used a doublestack mag and had 10 rounds - then the Couger would be a contender.

Andrew Wyatt
June 17, 2003, 12:59 PM
6. Give it a decocker.



why give up the ability to carry cocked and locked?

George Hill
June 17, 2003, 08:03 PM
Just because you can decock the gun, wouldn't mean you would have to give anything else up.

Handy
June 17, 2003, 08:43 PM
CZ could install a decocker like the one found on the P99. Flush fit to the slide, it would be unobtrusive and not cause problems when using the safety.

Really, it would be great if all DAs were built like that. Cake and eat it too.

Jeff OTMG
June 18, 2003, 12:41 AM
SIG P220 Sport
2nd Place CZ97

Dr.Rob
June 18, 2003, 04:01 AM
Sig 220, and the P9s , which was VERY big for a single stack 45, but very very cool.

emc
June 19, 2003, 07:09 PM
Para-Ordnance!

emc

Chupacabra
June 19, 2003, 07:36 PM
I voted for the Sig220. A very fine piece of work.

The USP comes in at a very close 2nd though IMO.

Lt. G
June 19, 2003, 07:47 PM
Hello everybody,
I'm new to the boards, but I've been around weapons all my life. I wanted to add my 2 cents. I have 3 para - ords, and with the exception of my LDA 6-45 mags not wanting to feed properly, I've had a wonderful time shooting these weapons. All are accurate, and are fun to shoot.
Thanx, Lt. G

gremlin
June 20, 2003, 11:32 PM
Gimme a Beretta Cougar 8045F.

The full size packs 8 rounds and fits my hand like a glove.

The weapon rides low in your hand and with Winchester Silvertips, the recoil is light enough that double taps come easy.

Shame Beretta didn't make the poll.

Maybe next time...:(

coorsleftfield
June 22, 2003, 10:17 AM
You guys have it all wrong!! Best double action in 45ACP is my S&W 625 revolver, hands down. Has a smoother double action trigger than anything else I've ever fired, including sigs and Hks

Dacos
June 22, 2003, 11:50 AM
Not on your list, but the best excluding $ is the Korriphila HSP.

BryanP
June 22, 2003, 08:50 PM
I love my Sig P220. I put a pair of Hogue finger-groove grips on it and ooh, baby!. My second choice would probably be the Ruger P90.

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