Do other countries have school shootings?


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walking arsenal
April 18, 2007, 02:45 PM
That was a question my mom asked me today. "Do other countries have schools shootings?" She then went on to ask me why that was. If it was because of gun control. Because people in other countries don't have access?

I didn't have a great answer but told her i thought it was deeper than that and that i thought it was more of a cultural thing. Basically that mixing all the household cleaners in one pot was a recipe for disaster from time to time, metaphorically speaking.

What say you?

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gometika
April 18, 2007, 03:18 PM
Beslan

sh_ca
April 18, 2007, 03:26 PM
Yes.

Germany: Erfurt (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1952869.stm), Emsdetten (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,449492,00.html)

UK: Dunblane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_Massacre)

etc., etc.,

In fact Wikipedia has been kind enough to compile a list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres)

bg
April 18, 2007, 03:31 PM
Not to mention one of the worse. Though I think most of it was due to fire,
the school attack by terrorists in Russia a few yrs ago was one of the
deadliest.

Chad
April 18, 2007, 03:31 PM
Interesting. And a good question.

I wonder how complete the Wikipedia lists are?

solareclipse
April 18, 2007, 03:33 PM
a terrorist attack isn't a school shooting. beslan doesn't count but yes, it was the most vile school incident in recent history regardless. they had a documentary about it on HBO (or was it cinemax) about a month ago. messed up stuff


great list on wiki. check out the other shooting in VA - similar circumstances to this one. disturbed person, nobody cared. must be a trend there

Chuhhuniban
April 18, 2007, 03:57 PM
Israel had a few many years ago, then they armed the teachers. Funny how that ended the problem.

eliphalet
April 18, 2007, 04:04 PM
Funny how that ended the problem.

BINGO!

I think we have found the answer.

A armed citizenry would have and/or will prevent future atrocities such as we have seen recently.

DogBonz
April 18, 2007, 04:14 PM
They have sucide bombings.

romma
April 18, 2007, 04:14 PM
beslan doesn't count I think Beslan does count solar. It was a school shooting and bombing. Soft targets like this need vigilant people on guard.

richardschennberg
April 18, 2007, 04:19 PM
Unfortunately, some "countries of interest" even have schools that teach their students to perpetrate mass shootings. This often results in the "gang that couldn't shoot straight," as 9/10 of the victims of Muslim terrorists are other Muslims!
Richard
Schennberg.com (http://www.schennberg.com)

lee n. field
April 18, 2007, 04:21 PM
Israel had a few many years ago, then they armed the teachers.

I think we have found the answer.

Most of the teachers I know, I would not trust with "power tools".

davec
April 18, 2007, 04:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanterre_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaa_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_M ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoddle_Street_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Street_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-Kon

this isint an exhaustive list, and some of them are office/home rampages instead of school shootings.

solareclipse
April 18, 2007, 04:29 PM
depending on how you classify a "school shooting", romma.

geekWithA.45
April 18, 2007, 04:30 PM
Other countries have school and office shootings.

If they make American news at all, it's a blip on the back page, somewhere.

By directing focus, attention and tone, the press has a huge influence on how people percieve the world.

Our press is pretty dedicated to the proposition that an armed citizenry is a dangerous anachronism that must be caged.

walking arsenal
April 18, 2007, 04:32 PM
sh_ca

Thanks for that wiki link.

It looks like a majority of the shootings happen here in the US.

But it also looks like, juding from the wiki post, that a majority of the shooters had prior mental problems.

That begs the question of what makes the states more apt to have one of these shootings?

SDC
April 18, 2007, 04:34 PM
Canada has had a number of them, in Ontario, Alberta, and Quebec.

Rumble
April 18, 2007, 04:53 PM
Most of the entries on the list happened in the United States. On the other hand, they are a) not all shootings, and b) if you look at any given year, the numbers jump out less--unless I miscounted, according to this list, in 2006 there were 2 school shootings (that were not suicides with no other people hurt) in the US; one in Canada in 2006; one in Germany; one in Paris (nonfatal).

It depends on how you line up the statistics, I guess.

Edit: I found another list, at http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html. There are some years where the US is far ahead of other countries. I have it broken down by year, but need to head out. Will post later, if anyone is interested.

MD_Willington
April 18, 2007, 05:00 PM
Two in Montreal...

The first one helped get the ball rolling on C17 & 68 (IIRC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine

JimmyN
April 18, 2007, 05:22 PM
There was a school massacre in Japan, in 2001. Since guns are hard to come by criminals use knifes there.

This guy killed eight and injured 20 at a school in West Japan before they stopped him. You don't have to have a gun to kill many innocent people at one time.
The link also has more on knife slayings in Japan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1376982.stm

EOTechRulesAll
April 18, 2007, 05:42 PM
Other countries have their own issues-

-South Korea-

The worst shooting spree in history was done in South Korea... He killed 58, including himself, and wounded 35.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-Kon




-Canada-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Lortie

Denis Lortie is a former Canadian army corporal. In 1984, he stormed into the National Assembly of Quebec building and killed three Quebec government employees.

In 1985, Lortie was convicted of first-degree murder, but a new trial was ordered due to legal errors. Lortie pleaded guilty to reduced charges of second-degree murder in 1987.

Lortie was paroled in December 1995.



Ah, nothing like eight years in prison to punish him for a triple murder? If only we in America would get rid of our guns and adopt truly kind and understanding legal systems, such as that one, yes?



-Australia-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Knight

Julian Knight (born March 4, 1968) is the mass murderer who on August 9, 1987, shot dead 7 people and injured 17 during a shooting spree in Clifton Hill, Victoria, in what became known in Australian history as the Hoddle Street Massacre. He is currently serving a life sentence, with a minimum 27 year sentence before parole.

Knight currently resides in the maximum security Barwon Prison near Geelong and is eligible for parole in 2014.



He's in prison for life but he still has a chance for parole, which is fair, yes? I mean come on, he only killed seven people, a 27 year sentence is oppressively harsh! Won't somebody think about his right???

velojym
April 18, 2007, 05:50 PM
The non-gun stuff would change the numbers considerably, I think.
For example, the nerve gas attack in Japan,
or a few gallons of gasoline in Korea...

Let's not forget Tienamen Square, and so many other shootings which don't 'count' merely because it was the government with their fingers on the triggers.

wjustinen
April 18, 2007, 10:03 PM
and - just as in the United States - it is largely due to the fact that schools are designated as "gun free zones."

For those who are able to think beyond the walls of political correctness behind which we are trapped, the translation is "free-fire zone."

When did you last hear of a multiple victim public shooting in a location where the intended victims were likely to be armed.

mountainclmbr
April 18, 2007, 10:41 PM
In most mass murders in the last 100 years it was actually the government acting against their own disarmed citizens. By some accounts 150 million, not including wars started by same despots. No large numbers for armed citizens rounded up and killed by their own governments. Funny how that works.

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