Obama Desecrates Constitution


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Lobotomy Boy
April 18, 2007, 04:28 PM
From thehill.com (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dem-hopefuls-mostly-mum-on-gun-2007-04-17.html):

...In 2004, as a Senate candidate, Obama voted against a bill in the state Senate allowing residents to use self-defense as a means to seek the dismissal of criminal charges brought about as a result of local ordinances.

The bill was in response to a man who faced criminal penalties after he shot an alleged intruder in a town that had passed local ordinances prohibiting private gun ownership.

At the time, Obama said he was voting to give local townships the capabilities to determine their own laws, according to reports.

Obama’s campaign said yesterday that the senator continues to favor both “commonsense” solutions and gun owners’ rights.

“Barack Obama believes we can respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen, and still enact commonsense measures to keep assault weapons off our streets and guns out of the hands of criminals,” a campaign spokeswoman said in a statement. “For while the massacre in Virginia shocked the nation, young people are losing their lives every day to gun violence. Taking assault weapons off the streets and closing the gun show loophole can stop some of the senseless carnage.”


In other words, Obama supported a township's blatant disregard for the Constitution (nothing unequivocal or ambiguous about a local ordinance prohibiting private gun ownership). This is as much an act of unconstitutional tyranny as a township banning all printed material or reinstituting slavery, yet Obama voted to support it. How could anyone who values liberty over tyranny even contemplate voting for Obama after something like this?

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strat81
April 18, 2007, 04:31 PM
*** is it with this "gun show loophole"??? How many crimes are committed with guns purchased from gun shows? I have to imagine it's an incredibly small percentage compared to how many are purchased for legal use.

mike101
April 18, 2007, 04:32 PM
"Taking assault weapons off the streets and closing the gun show loophole "

On what streets are they finding all these assault weapons, and what gun show loophole? I thought you had to go through a NICS check, even at gun shows.

El Tejon
April 18, 2007, 04:33 PM
Mr. Obama, may a state, city, county, township prohibit African-Americans or Muslims from voting, maintaining a domicile there, or traveling to such a place? If not, why not and how is this different than denying everyone their right to keep and bear arms?

Tim James
April 18, 2007, 04:33 PM
Not really the Constitution, but more like natural moral law.

You have to wonder if these people even think things through before they speak. If you suggested that the local town ban gay people for fear of pedophiles, you'd get a completely confused look. [EDIT] Okay I see that we've got this angle covered :)

It's fine if you hate guns, but don't try to use fundamental concepts of government control to argue your position.

Ratzinger_p38
April 18, 2007, 04:59 PM
I still think Obama cant win. His campaign looks bad, takes no positions on anything (his book was full of non denial denials) and I think the MSM is loosing interest in him.

Daniel T
April 18, 2007, 05:05 PM
...what gun show loophole?

"Gun show loophole" is a catch-phrase that gun-grabbers use for "private-party transfer".

In other words, the "loophole" is that the government doesn't get to stick its nose in the matter if a gun is sold from one private citizen to another.

eliphalet
April 18, 2007, 05:15 PM
In other words, the "loophole" is that the government doesn't get to stick its nose in the matter if a gun is sold from one private citizen to another

100% correct,
and if you think that all the records of gun purchases that has ran through the FBI database in the last few years have disappeared I know of some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you..
I know backup/prove that statement, show us the facts, as you well know no one outside the inner circles in some top secret office can or could but everything is computer driven nowa days and computer records seem to have a way of being found and resurrected even when deleted.

Chad
April 18, 2007, 05:18 PM
Obama makes great political hay from the fact that he is a 'Constitutional lawyer' and 'Constitutional scholar'.

He has studied very diligently in order to find ways to circumvent the Constitution, apparently.

Ratzinger_p38
April 18, 2007, 05:19 PM
Slow down guys. The most recent McCarthy and other bills define a gun show as '75 or more guns available' so what that means is person to person sales are OK, just as long as you arent PP 75 guns :P

Private purchases will be safe for awhile I think, between you and your neighbor, but not between you and the dude at the gun show

(I dont like them anyway as it will kill gun shows)

El Tejon
April 18, 2007, 05:23 PM
So, we have to have lots of mini-shows?:rolleyes:

Chad
April 18, 2007, 05:23 PM
and if you think that all the records of gun purchases that has ran through the FBI database in the last few years have disappeared I know of some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you..
I know backup/prove that statement, show us the facts, as you well know no one outside the inner circles in some top secret office can or could but everything is computer driven nowa days and computer records seem to have a way of being found and resurrected even when deleted.
I don't believe every .gov agency is full of fools.
Only a fool would take valuable data in hand and destroy it utterly, without backing it up, just because it was the law.

ArmedBear
April 18, 2007, 05:24 PM
it will kill gun shows

While I oppose efforts to prevent private sales at gun shows, it won't kill them. California has a good number of gun shows. Here, you have a fee, paperwork and a 10-day waiting period even on guns bought PP.

Why do I bring this up? If you use it as an argument, the other side will point out what I just did.

xd9fan
April 18, 2007, 07:24 PM
he sounds like McCain.....oh wait which party again???

SDC
April 18, 2007, 07:43 PM
And if they think they've blocked that imaginary "gun show loophole", then they'll move onto the "living room loophole", and the "friend's house loophole".
:barf:

DoubleTapDrew
April 18, 2007, 08:36 PM
Lets first work on closing the "ATF loophole" where that outrageous "sporting purposes" junk slipped through and forbid us from owning weapons that we have a right to. I want my M240. And don't you dare use the N-word (need)!
:o

Lobotomy Boy
April 19, 2007, 02:57 AM
This terrible situation will smoke out all the anti-Second Amendment tendencies these people have. A few of the more goulish organizations like the Brady Bunch are trying to exploit this, but anyone who hopes to win a national election is keeping pretty quiet.

Autolycus
April 19, 2007, 03:03 AM
Why shouldn't the local government havethe ability to regulate guns on a local level even if it is unconstitutional? But when the Feds try to force national CCW reciprocity it is a bad idea and unconstitutional?

Mannix
April 19, 2007, 03:31 AM
Laws outright banning the private ownership of guns are unconstitutional, there are numerous cases confirming that WE AS AMERICAN CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. I don't care what level it's at, it's still against the very principles upon which our country was founded, and by which it has been governed for over 200 years.

If they can say that people are too irresponsible to handle owning a firearm, what next? Perhaps we then can't discern fantasy from reality and violent television and video games get censored. Perhaps we need to be protected from so called "Anti-American" music and literature. Hell while we're at it apparently we can't be trusted to make a good political decision so there goes the right to vote.(sure I'm stretching it, but you know what I mean)

What makes this country, in my opinion, better than any other is that we consider our citizens to be able to handle freedom responsibly. There have been some trends recently that I find troubling, and not just from the left.

velojym
April 19, 2007, 03:33 AM
As his preference seems to favor keeping guns in the hands of the rich and famous (Rosie, for instance), he's standing shoulder to shoulder with the Klan on the gun control issue. Can't be lettin' po' folks and darkies keep guns around, no Sir! Harder to lynch armed slaves, Masuh!

eliphalet
April 19, 2007, 03:40 AM
For while the massacre in Virginia shocked the nation, young people are losing their lives every day to gun violence. Taking assault weapons off the streets and closing the gun show loophole can stop some of the senseless carnage

I musta missed something somewhere as I didn't realize so called assault weapons were used.

Weapons don't assault people, people assault people. Bombs, bats,or beer mugs, sticks, stones, swords or Subaru's if you assault some one their are assaulted doesn't;t matter what you use.

Ratzinger_p38
April 19, 2007, 04:16 AM
Taking assault weapons off the streets and closing the gun show loophole can stop some of the senseless carnage

Man has no backbone. He touts the losing liberal anti-gun garbage that cost so many democrats elections in the past.

commonsense measures

There's the buzzword again - "commonsense". To who Obama? You? From the most anti-gun state in the country (IMO, worse than CA once their AWB goes in)?

This man makes me sick, we need to make sure he does not get elected. Id take Rudy over him any day. Even Rudy back-peddled on the 2A. Obama doesnt give a flying F*ck about it and he makes no secret about that.

ConfuseUs
April 19, 2007, 06:22 AM
Well everyone's a long ways away from even getting votes for POTUS so we have plenty of time to wait for him to lose his luster.

Caimlas
April 19, 2007, 06:49 AM
I wasn't going to post this here, but I just made this and this thread is just too appropriate...

http://forums.boiledfrog.us/uploads.php?file=xerxes-obama-godlike-to-the-godless.jpg

SWMAN
April 19, 2007, 08:50 AM
I've noticed lately that the antigunners are starting to call all semiautomatic weapons assault weapons. I think they're trying to get the public to equate semiautos with asault weapons to make the public easier to manipulate.:mad:

CajunBass
April 19, 2007, 09:03 AM
I musta missed something somewhere as I didn't realize so called assault weapons were used

An "Assult Weapon" is anything as advanced as a bow and arrow. The bow is not required, which leaves you with a sharp stick.

Lobotomy Boy
April 19, 2007, 10:37 AM
The more that Obama makes his radical views known to a wider audience, the less popular support he's going to have. Right now his only appeal is that he's different; he's relatively young, relatively good-looking, relatively black, and he wrote a book with a warm and fuzzy sounding name that looks good sitting on a bookshelf. These qualities might be enough to propel him to early popularity, but his views are far too radical to be accepted by middle America.

WeThePeople
April 19, 2007, 11:01 AM
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WeThePeople
April 19, 2007, 11:02 AM
The USDOJ even reported in "Violent Encounters - A Study of Felonoius Assaults on Our Nation's Law Enforcement Officers" that "None of the rifles, shotguns or handguns connected with this study were obtained from gun shows or related activities."

Even though the sample size was relatively small, the fact that NONE of the firearms came from a gun show is quite telling of the existence of the so-called loophole.

Colt
April 19, 2007, 11:40 AM
I musta missed something somewhere as I didn't realize so called assault weapons were used.

Here, here! If I hear one more dumb@ss reporter refer to this nutjob as "heavily armed" I'm gonna puke.

He had a 9mm, what many regard as the smallest effective pistol round, and a .22 target pistol.

Yes, the 9mm was an effective tool, but he wasn't "heavily armed" by any stretch. The police forces that responded were "heavily armed." (at least those I saw in coverage)

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