John Kerry on Kudlow - Can't belive my ears


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sar
April 18, 2007, 05:16 PM
John Kerry said behavior and not the gun was to blame for the VT shooting. That no gun law would have done anything to stop the shooting but intervention from the university and better police reaction could have made a difference.

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ArmedBear
April 18, 2007, 05:16 PM
Oh ****!

He must be running for President.

Mr.V.
April 18, 2007, 05:27 PM
That no gun law would have done anything to stop the shooting

Let me state what Kerry really meant, "None of our attempts at 'reasonable' gun restrictions would have stopped the shooting. We must now ban them entirely...thankyou"

sar
April 18, 2007, 05:27 PM
Kudlow point blank asked him if he agreed with some people that more ccw would make people safer - without saying yes he said criminals and wackos will always find a gun. He added that he has changed his thinking on the issue and that we have find a way to change behavior not more gun laws.

nemoaz
April 18, 2007, 05:29 PM
Just putting his finger to the wind and gauging no public support for further disarmament of the law abiding citizens (future victims).

After reading some of the quotes from the new Democrats, they still sound conservative on some points. These aren't Jimmah Carter's Democratics.

frostbiker
April 18, 2007, 05:34 PM
You think Kerry might have seen the backlash over Zumbo? Stands to reason he may have. Realize what you say could be inflammatory and come to realization through research and education that "hey, something about gun control doesn't add up."

Either he's had a come to Jesus moment in regards to RKBA/2a, or he's stumping and trying to prove he's "one of us."

sar
April 18, 2007, 05:35 PM
Me thinks that their playbook has been changed - not a peep from Schumer or Ms. Clinton. The only real politician banging the drum has been my own mayor Mr. Bloomy.

On a side note, the same day he spoke out against guns I got a Purchase Authorization from the NYPD for a new G19. Take that Bloomy.

Mr.V.
April 18, 2007, 05:36 PM
It's tough to know where he is on this. Has he really "come around"?

Because this is the same guy that tried to make an issue of the assault weapon ban sunsetting during the presidential campaign, hi-cap mag ban and all...

I guess I hope what I said earlier isn't true. I'm starting to get the feeling when I hear vehement anti-gunners say recently, "none of our gun control laws would have stopped this," that they're implying a total ban is the solution and that we're all just a stone's throw from psychotic killers...

ArfinGreebly
April 18, 2007, 05:36 PM
. . . find a way to change behavior . . .

What?

Like more psychologists in schools?

Yeah. That's really working.

Forty-plus years of psychologists injected into the school system.

And Johnny still can't read. Or think. Or defend himself.

Well, then, clearly we just need to do more (of the same thing) harder and with more funds.

Maybe if we do it more, we'll get different results!

MikePGS
April 18, 2007, 05:41 PM
:Blinks: John Kerry the Senator?

SSTHitman
April 18, 2007, 05:54 PM
Are you sure it was John Kerry?:scrutiny: :what:

MD_Willington
April 18, 2007, 05:57 PM
Maybe he's been laying off the Heinz ketchup?

TallPine
April 18, 2007, 06:00 PM
It must be snowing in Hell today ;)

cbsbyte
April 18, 2007, 06:05 PM
If Kerry really said this, then it sounds like the Dems have a new ploy to retain control of the House and the Senate. The Dems will lay off the RKBA issue, until they win the Presidency in 2008. Then they will release the hounds of war. It is a very smart move on their side, and I have to hand it them, they will might actually pull this off.

mec
April 18, 2007, 06:12 PM
"... The Dems will lay off the RKBA issue, until they win the Presidency in 2008. Then they will release the hounds of war. It is a very smart move on their side, and I have to hand it them, they will might actually pull this off."

Amazing that they are able to bite their tongues so effectively. I didnt' think they'd be able to do it. Its the same strategy outlined in Leon Uris' last book-lay doggo until you have the entire goverment and then grab the guns. I thought Uris had gone senile when he wrote that book but apparently the Democrats put it right up there with Orwell's 1984 as a manefesto for social change.

feedthehogs
April 18, 2007, 06:18 PM
Pre election politics people.

Lies, lies and more lies.


Did I happen to mention Lies?

xd9fan
April 18, 2007, 06:20 PM
talk is cheap......in Washington its worthless.

lamazza
April 18, 2007, 08:09 PM
Everything out of Kerry's mouth is a lie. He makes kennedy look conservative.

XDn00b101
April 18, 2007, 08:15 PM
FINALLY, people are finally starting to realize Gun Control is not working. Damn!

Outlaws
April 18, 2007, 08:34 PM
Is he thinking about running? This sounds like a Trojan Horse to me.

metallic
April 18, 2007, 08:54 PM
It's a trap.

joab
April 18, 2007, 09:08 PM
Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that Kerry is flip-flopping on an issue ?

Stevie-Ray
April 18, 2007, 09:27 PM
I hate to be a doubting Thomas, but until I see him saying it, hear it from his lips, be reading those lips correctly, and observe a lack of facial ticks, I will not believe.

mike101
April 18, 2007, 09:51 PM
I too, notice a lack of Hilary in the air. :scrutiny:

Gudis
April 18, 2007, 09:51 PM
Until he writes a bill like Ron Paul's measure that would repeal all federal gun laws since '34, I don't really care what he says.

Malone LaVeigh
April 18, 2007, 10:00 PM
The only real politician banging the drum has been my own mayor Mr. Bloomy.
Oh, my ex-mayor Ms Feinswine has been quite vocal.

cassandrasdaddy
April 18, 2007, 10:07 PM
can anyone help with a link to kerry saying that? or a transcript? i got an honest john lover i wanna rub his nose in it

arjppj
April 18, 2007, 10:28 PM
ah, just wait a couple of weeks and he will change his story.

30 cal slob
April 18, 2007, 10:39 PM
Actions speak louder than words, Mr. Kerry.

Pro-gun votes talk and bull***** walks.

Bartholomew Roberts
April 18, 2007, 10:53 PM
Guys, Kerry voted to kill CMP and voted to ban .30-30 ammo by name. He has one of the worst anti-RKBA records of any Senator in the past 40 years.

He outright lied during his 2004 campaign to try and convince gun owners he was their buddy.

I'm not in a position to say that Kerry did not have a "road to Damascus" moment; but I tell you what, I wouldn't trust him with a penny if I had a million dollars to spare.

tbtrout
April 18, 2007, 11:02 PM
Give Hillary time, She and Chuck are waiting with Diane and Barbara for the initial emotions to turn from sadness to knee jerk anger and it will be bandamonium.

nemoaz
April 18, 2007, 11:05 PM
No Kerry had no road to Damascus moment. But as he looks around at his party, which has razor thin margins in both houses, even more thin than last years Republicans, he is smart enough to read the tea leaves.

Many of those newly elected Democrats border on being conservatives. We haven't had conservative Democrats since the 70s.

Yes, Kerry keeping his flyhole shut is probably just a reaction to the political reality rather than a come to Jesus moment... but the new conservative Democrats may be something new entirely if they hold to their moderate to conservative views. The two party system may be back.

Kaylee
April 18, 2007, 11:12 PM
Frankly, I don't care if he believes it or not.

That the zeitgeist has changed to the point that enough folks think "CCW good" and "gun free zones bad" to make even Kerry mouth those words in public, whether he believes it or not, is a huge step forward for the culture.

I really think that the Boomer's kids may well end up reversing a lot of the damage their parents did (present company excluded, of course. :) )


-K

bogie
April 18, 2007, 11:43 PM
Actually, I think that this is a symptom that some of the stuff we've been doing may be working...

The democrats are WAY scared of gun control. I suspect that he was toeing the party line in the past, but now, when he literally has nothing to lose, and the party's overall position on the subject is viewed as a political kiss of death, he's stepping out a little. I think this is what he really thinks.

SoCalShooter
April 18, 2007, 11:48 PM
If Kerry really said this, then it sounds like the Dems have a new ploy to retain control of the House and the Senate. The Dems will lay off the RKBA issue, until they win the Presidency in 2008. Then they will release the hounds of war. It is a very smart move on their side, and I have to hand it them, they will might actually pull this off.

Sir I think you hit the nail directly on the head. They are playing possum. I was thinking about sending an email to the NRA to note that but I am not sure if that is a good idea or not.

LawBot5000
April 18, 2007, 11:50 PM
I realize Kerry doesnt really beleive that, but for him to appear to oppose gun control is a very good sign. It shows we are winning culturally. Big cultural wins are always followed by big political wins, ESPECIALLY in a democracy. It is just a matter of keeping the snowball rolling and being patient.


My overall impression is that its a trap...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/AckbarStanding.jpg

JWarren
April 18, 2007, 11:52 PM
If Kerry really said this, then it sounds like the Dems have a new ploy to retain control of the House and the Senate. The Dems will lay off the RKBA issue, until they win the Presidency in 2008. Then they will release the hounds of war. It is a very smart move on their side, and I have to hand it them, they will might actually pull this off.


+1

Adding my voice to this as well. Its a good strategy when you are playing to win and can afford to have a longer term view-- especially in a society with perpetual Attention Deficit Disorder. We MUST work to make people remember and to see.

John

Erinyes
April 18, 2007, 11:59 PM
The only thing about the Democrats laying low until they get both houses and the presidency is that if they use it to go all out on gun control, they lose in the next election cycle.

Personally, I think Mr. Kerry is full of some brown stuff myself, but gun control HAS become a third rail, and I think a lot of Democrats don't think it's worth it anymore, despite their personal views.

camacho
April 19, 2007, 12:21 AM
He must be running for President.

He must be, I have no other explanation:confused:

On a serious note, as Bartholomew Roberts pointed out, this guy can't be trusted about anything he says. If he tells you it is raining outside, look out the window.

PinnedAndRecessed
April 19, 2007, 12:37 AM
or he's stumping and trying to prove he's "one of us."


Sort of like his claim about crawling through the brush with his double barrel shotgun, deer hunting?

Now I know why I wasn't more successful at deer hunting. I wasn't doing it right.

Titan6
April 19, 2007, 08:43 AM
I have not been this floored by the actions of a political leader since 9/13/01. That was the day I saw Yasser Arafat donating blood for the 9/11 victims. Of course the PLO was celebrating in the streets at the time....

ozwyn
April 19, 2007, 09:01 AM
the answer is simple - the democractic party has determined the gun rights community may be the best swing vote to win elections.

So they are choosing to pander to us. But not so aggressively as to lose their base, just enough to muddy the waters a bit.

politics as usual, they are just recognizing that a large block of gun rights votes could in theory be taken away from republicans by choosing to ackowledge some of the 2nd amendment.

MJZZZ
April 19, 2007, 09:10 AM
Kerry is a politician and therefore he lies. I can only name a handful of politicians that would not lie to gain a few votes, what happened to integrity? I think it is a tactic to lay low and see which way the wind blows, then take that side of the issue and run with it. After reading a lot of blogs and articles, I think the trend has begun, people are starting to see that only they themselves can truly be relied upon to protect who they love. We need to hammer at the "gun free zones", it must seem like an invitation to a nutjob. Mike

romma
April 19, 2007, 09:20 AM
Well we can certainly mark Mr. Kerrys' words and retaliate with them WHEN he re-flip flops...

Tin Gizel
April 19, 2007, 09:23 AM
If Kerry really said this, then it sounds like the Dems have a new ploy to retain control of the House and the Senate. The Dems will lay off the RKBA issue, until they win the Presidency in 2008. Then they will release the hounds of war. It is a very smart move on their side, and I have to hand it them, they will might actually pull this off.

Another one here that agrees with you 100000%.....they're just lying through their teeth to keep their seats.....

WeThePeople
April 19, 2007, 09:46 AM
It really doesn't matter to me. Even if I did believe that he wouldn't initiate a registry/ban/confiscation/etc., I still don't like his position on many other issues that are extremely important such as welfare, immigration, taxes...

In fact, I'm really concerned, given the current presidential prospects, about the future of our country with Nancy at the helm of the House and a middle-of-the-road president.

Our country is fast becoming a nation of dependency. Most Americans depend on the gov't for self-defense, money, morality, education, and even the upbringing of children.

It's time that America wakes up and realizes that the entire point of the founding of our country was to have a government that only provided the bare necessities and therefore left you alone to speak your mind, defend yourself, pursue happiness, raise your children, and be left alone to do what you want.

That means that I can carry whatever gun that I want (even a rifle strapped to my back), smack my kids for being insolent, drive my SUV, and not support the addictions of welfare recipients.

Mr. Kerry believes otherwise.

romma
April 19, 2007, 09:52 AM
That means that I can carry whatever gun that I want (even a rifle strapped to my back), smack my kids for being insolent, drive my SUV, and not support the addictions of welfare recipients.
HERE! HERE! This statement is utter brilliance We!

nighthawk2099
April 19, 2007, 11:44 AM
It's a classic bait and switch. :cuss:

In a fight, you have your hands up to protect yourself. Your opponent says something that totally shocks you :eek: . You drop your hands in confusion, then WAM !!!! You've just been sucker punched!

Don't let your defenses down. Something smells like doo doo, and it ain't the dog.

hnk45acp
April 19, 2007, 11:53 AM
I agree w/ Kaylee. Just look at the response post-Columbine to the response to this.
No huge outpouring of support for more/stricter gun laws
No stump speeches from the usual suspects (Boxer, Schumer, Feinstein, etc)
More people open to the idea of CCW.

I think that post-Columbine people in the US gave over to their emotions and now Post-VT people have seen that their emotional response doesn't work and that the "feelgood" knee-jerk laws did nothing to protect them.

Marshall
April 19, 2007, 12:22 PM
He must have read ABC's poll we've been voting on. :rolleyes:

DirksterG30
April 19, 2007, 02:37 PM
John Kerry, one of America's finest political weathervanes.

Art Eatman
April 19, 2007, 02:56 PM
It doesn't matter at all whether he believes what he said, or is playing to the Zumbo deal.

What's important is that there are many who will listen to him who would not listen to us. He has more credibility with his usual true believers than we do. He's singing our song, and I like the lyrics.

As long as our message gets out, do we need to bash the messenger? Sure, be cautious about next year, next campaign, or the long term. But for the moment, be happy with all the help we can get.

Art

ConfuseUs
April 19, 2007, 03:53 PM
Wait a while and Scary Kerry will probably go back to his old ways. If he really wanted credibility on the issue he would propose/support some clearly pro-gun legislation such as unrestricted carry for CCW holders nationwide.

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