What's a Barrel Shroud? (Merged thread)


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pdowg881
April 18, 2007, 08:07 PM
I'm sure someone is creating the same thread here, but who just saw the MCcarthy interview on MSNBC?

The guy was asking her about the Assault Weapons Ban and features such as barrel shrouds. She says, well I think it's more important that... blah blah (sidesteps the question) The guy (forget who) says: wait wait, do you even know what a barrel shroud is? She says no. I pretty much started clapping. He says, you don't even know what it is and it's in your legislation? Isn't it more important that we look into what causes people to do this?
Intersesting that mainstream media is saying this. Maybe there is hope. Very sad that an event like this makes people think about it more.

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GlenJ
April 18, 2007, 08:08 PM
It's in HR 1022 to be banned and Carolyn McCarthy just told Tucker Carlson she doesn't know what it is. Anyone else see the interview? He had to ask her three times before she finally admitted she dosen't know what it is. He basocally made her look foolish without even trying.

Zundfolge
April 18, 2007, 08:08 PM
A barrel shroud is a fake suppressor isn't it?

Rocketman56
April 18, 2007, 08:10 PM
Sounds like he was on top of his game..

(I'm at work, I'll try and catch it via reruns..)

I always wondered how much of the legislation is written by someone else..
Its pretty clear she didn't write it..


THANKS!
Steve

GlenJ
April 18, 2007, 08:11 PM
It was Tucker Carlson he made her look like the moron she is. one thing I've noticed since this happened is that Fox News isn't as conservative as they like to let people think they are.

coyote_jr
April 18, 2007, 08:11 PM
Tucker just absolutely took her apart I screamed out loud WOOHOO no joke... He asked her what a barrel shroud was and at first she tried to dodge the question but he went right back to it, she said she didn't know and he goes, "oh....because....it's....in your...legislation" and she she tried to explain what it was and he says "no, it isn't"

I f&$#@ love that guy now haaaaaaaa:D

pdowg881
April 18, 2007, 08:12 PM
That's the one. Do they make transcripts availible at any time?

El Tejon
April 18, 2007, 08:14 PM
No surprise. Antis have no idea what they are doing. All they know is they want to disarm us.

Socialism cannot progress if the peasants possess arms.

Ratzinger_p38
April 18, 2007, 08:15 PM
I knew something was wrong with her if she thought an M1 Carbine was an 'assault weapon' - what idiot writes these bills for her

eric.cartman
April 18, 2007, 08:17 PM
yep, saw that.

one word: pathetic

Ratzinger_p38
April 18, 2007, 08:17 PM
I am starting to think HR1022 is dead in the water. There is a big 'personal responsibility' angle coming out of this shooting, from almost all sides of media, cept the euros who hate everything America stands for anyway.

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 18, 2007, 08:18 PM
Transcript should be available here in 24 hours.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

Nightcrawler
April 18, 2007, 08:18 PM
I love this.

That woman is willing to put people IN JAIL over something (i.e., a barrel shroud) when she doesn't even know what the HELL IT IS!

DoubleTapDrew
April 18, 2007, 08:19 PM
Its like...a veil...for virgin guns?

Why doesn't she just come out and say it? "WE JUST DON'T WANT AMERICANS TO OWN GUNS."

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 18, 2007, 08:19 PM
Probably should merge this topic with this one: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=270839

Ratzinger_p38
April 18, 2007, 08:20 PM
McCarthy is a joke in congress anyway - she uses the blood of her own husband to get elected to Congress - nice lady.

coyote_jr
April 18, 2007, 08:21 PM
Now can we use this interview to spur some action? How about a form email and a link to McCarthy or other congress people to let them know we knoe they don't know anything! Someone write it up I am not eloquent or nice enough really.

Redneck with a 40
April 18, 2007, 08:23 PM
This is priceless! The fact that she doesn't even know what the hell it is she is trying to ban is priceless! I too was clapping, she just shot herself in the foot on national T.V. This exposes everyone else like her on the gun control side, they are ignorant morons. What is a barrel shroud? I love it!!:D :D

pdowg881
April 18, 2007, 08:24 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

Transcritp will be found here when it is made availible.

Redneck with a 40
April 18, 2007, 08:25 PM
This is priceless! This completely exposes their ignorance. Go tucker!:D

Justin
April 18, 2007, 08:28 PM
It's like a heat guard. The bit of metal wrapped around the barrel of a Tec-9 would probably constitute a barrel shroud.

eliphalet
April 18, 2007, 08:39 PM
It was Tucker Carlson he made her look like the moron she is

I am not a fan of this guy in fact I really don't know much about him at all. I did see a small portion of his show yesterday and was surprised at some of the questions he ask the guest who was very antigun. Also he said something to the affect that weren't nearly all handguns auto's and then on to say he really didn't know much about guns at all. I like it when a guy will admit things like that, causes you to have more trust in other things said.
So who knows maybe this will start us on a path in the right direction of correct firearm information instead of the fallacies and lies we hear so often in the press.

ccarnel
April 18, 2007, 08:41 PM
... :banghead: ........:rolleyes: ......................:evil:

What did Napoleon say?... never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. He should have allowed her to continue yapping just a little bit longer until she started talking about AUTOMATIC assault weapons and then asked her if she even knew what an assault weapon was, or if she knows the difference between semi-automatic and automatic weapons. I wonder if she's intelligent enough to realize she just stepped into a large pile of her own do doo.. I love it!

LawBot5000
April 18, 2007, 09:29 PM
Wow, post a link to the video. That needs to go onto youtube. "Do you even know what a barrel shroud is?" Comedy gold.

Creeping Incrementalism
April 18, 2007, 09:37 PM
The California Penal Code will answer all your assault weapon terminology questions!

A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel

I should mention that this law only applies to autoloading pistols. I think virtually all rifles have some kind of handguard that serves the same purpose.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2.htm

atomd
April 18, 2007, 09:41 PM
That was hilarious. I love how she dodged the question completely the first 2 times it was asked. Tucker's response was great when he finally made her admit it. If you are going to try to ban ANYTHING....you should at least know what the actual item is that you're banning and why it should be banned.....for crying out loud!!!

Gudis
April 18, 2007, 11:03 PM
I thought it was what you used to wrap shot-out barrels in before burying them in the trash.

arjppj
April 18, 2007, 11:22 PM
heres a pic of one on a tec-9

Kim
April 19, 2007, 12:22 AM
This woman is not very educated or smart. The scary thing is she is in her 6th term as a Rep. Says something about the voters. She is a anti-gun Cindy Sheehan type. Totally out to lunch.

FRIENDLY
April 19, 2007, 01:46 AM
it is the perforated metal frame around the barrel like the .30 browning light machine gun or ppsh submachine gun so that you DONT fry you hand.

LawBot5000
April 19, 2007, 02:04 AM
Its basically a metal thing that goes around the barrel to let you pick up the gun by the barrel. It was important for belt fed MGs that have a grip at one end but no way to pick it up except grabbing the barrel. Which would hurt.

It is perforated to let the barrel cool.

It basically no different from an ordinary wood stock except:
-lighter
-cheaper to make
-breathes better
-not flammable

You could call the front grip on a TC Contender or any rifle a "barrel shroud" since it serves the same basic function of allowing you to grab the barrel.

Superpsy
April 19, 2007, 02:10 AM
http://www.deletedyoutube.ftvteen.com/?v=ospNRk2uM3U

check it out...

MrTuffPaws
April 19, 2007, 03:16 AM
Watch and weep

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/18/video-carolyn-mccarthy-doesnt-understand-her-own-gun-control-legislation/

Good lord, she does not even know what she wants to ban.

SVT93
April 19, 2007, 03:52 AM
lol :rolleyes:

Heck what is a barrel shroud?

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 19, 2007, 03:59 AM
Thanks for the link! I was hoping someone would post this.

[FH]K96
April 19, 2007, 04:06 AM
The name explains itself. Picture an MG34 or M1917 Browning Mg- the perforated sheet metal encompassing the barrels. More contemporary a Tec-9.

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 19, 2007, 04:10 AM
Actually, as defined by HR 1022 it is:

(36) Barrel Shroud- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.

So, in theory, you could even call AR15 handguards a barrel shroud.

RavenVT100
April 19, 2007, 04:15 AM
Heck what is a barrel shroud?

Don't you know? It's the shoulder thing that goes up.

Rem700SD
April 19, 2007, 04:21 AM
you could also stetch that definition to include the forearm of ANY gun...

Mr.V.
April 19, 2007, 04:38 AM
you could also stetch that definition to include the forearm of ANY gun...
no you can't...a barrel shroud is a lot more "scary" than a regular-old forearm grip...

physics
April 19, 2007, 04:46 AM
:D :D :D
Barrel Shroud:
a shoulder thing that goes up. Carolyn McCarthy

fiveoboy01
April 19, 2007, 04:48 AM
Of course, she tries to play the typical "ignore the question" game.

Glad the guy kept on her about it;)

TexasP226
April 19, 2007, 05:00 AM
This is the High Road, so I will refrain from caling her the 5 letter word that just popped into my mind.:fire:

Jacka L Ope
April 19, 2007, 05:10 AM
Priceless and worth archiving. :p

Jacka L Ope
April 19, 2007, 05:12 AM
This is priceless! This completely exposes their ignorance.

Worth archiving. :p

rhinov
April 19, 2007, 05:39 AM
I just about fell out of my chair laughing at her. She want's to ban something and doesn't even know what it is. Get a clue Congresswoman.

vis-ŕ-vis
April 19, 2007, 05:47 AM
I am pissed off having watched this. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

gunsmith
April 19, 2007, 06:01 AM
maybe MD Cease fire or something, I asked the person on the phone if they wanted to ban assault weapons, she said "yes" I asked her if she could tell me what an assault weapon was???? "NO"!

ConfuseUs
April 19, 2007, 06:01 AM
This is along the course from point A: people can legally buy most guns to point B: people can't legally buy any guns. THe intricacies of the continuum between A and B don't interest her in the slightest. THe equation is simple to her: if the public cannot buy any semi-auto let alone a really awesome semiauto then she's closer to point B.

mike101
April 19, 2007, 06:02 AM
"and then on to say he really didn't know much about guns at all. I like it when a guy will admit things like that"

Hunter was pulling her leg. He's a hunter and enthusiastic gun owner, who is against any and all gun control. I watch him all the time.

mike101
April 19, 2007, 06:14 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=270883

yongxingfreesty
April 19, 2007, 06:41 AM
here it is, made her look like a complete idiot.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

ptmmatssc
April 19, 2007, 08:30 AM
I've noticed that the MSM has been hammering the antis since the VT incident since THEY are the one's that came out swinging before the bodies were even cold . People just don't seem to be buying their rhetoric this time around . The fact that they had legislation etc all prepared for just such an incident makes them look like they were just waiting for something to happen . I hope this trend keeps going so the idiocy of the anti gun movement is shown to the people . Heck , even my wife has changed her mind on allowing guns in schools .

coyote_jr
April 19, 2007, 08:42 AM
Unreal...Tucker just gave us an unbelieveable gift on a silver platter, we need to take advantage of incidents like this

El Tejon
April 19, 2007, 08:46 AM
She believes a barrel shroud is a "a shoulder thing that goes up"???:confused:

What could she be talking about? Something she saw on a movie or television?

Titan6
April 19, 2007, 09:19 AM
Barrel Shrouds are the intregal part of the assault weapon that allows rapid, accurate, sustained, high volume fire from the hip at long ranges as touted by all Brady literature. We must ban all barrel shrouds and require that all shooters remove them from their weapons now as they serve no sporting purpose. In a great compromise of AWB II I propose we give them up in exchange for a guarantee of there never being another gun law proposed in congress ever again.

SWMAN
April 19, 2007, 09:22 AM
Aren't you all comforted to know that our legislators don't know anything of which they speak, especially when it comes the weapons and freedom they want to deny us? All the gun banners know is that a gun fires a bullet that can kill people so they want to ban it. They don't know nor care about the "technical " details.

I listened to Larson (first time) just flat out expose Helmke for the unknowledgable, illogical guy he is. I was also surprised to hear Helmke say he had been an LEO. What really annoyed me was that he kept referring to magazines as clips. :)

mike101
April 19, 2007, 09:55 AM
She also wants to ban pistol grips, because everyone knows how much more deadly they make a rifle. We already have a ban on pistol grips in, survey says....................................................NJ. :barf:

Another MSNBC pro-gunner seems to be Jessica Brewar. On Tue., she had a couple of talking heads on, one from the GOA, and one from Stophandgunviolence. She kept arguing with the anti, and cutting him off, while asking tough questions. Go Jess.

CanonNinja
April 19, 2007, 06:02 PM
here's the transcript... what a crawfishing piece of work :mad:


CARLSON: Right. But even before we knew anything about the gunman in this case, at Virginia Tech, before we knew his name, before we knew how many people were killed, much less their names, you said the following thing, quote: “The unfortunate situation in Virginia could have been avoided if congressional leaders stood up to the gun lobby.”

This was the kind of sentiment that the governor of Virginia, a Democrat, attacked. He said, I‘ve got nothing but loathing for people who say things like that. Isn‘t it premature to make sweeping judgments about public policy from an incident we barely understand, that is just a couple of days old?

MCCARTHY: No. Because I get up on the floor in Congress every single week and talk about the gun violence that is happening in this country on a daily basis. But with that being said, you know, when we found out that the killer actually had been adjudicated by a judge that he was mentally incompetent, that would have put him right there on the NICS bill that I had gotten passed a few years ago that unfortunately did not go through the Senate, could have been prevented him from buying a gun. And I think that is what we‘re looking for.

CARLSON: Well, wait a second, as far as I know, it is illegal now, it was illegal three months ago for someone who has been adjudicated mentally ill to buy a weapon. Isn‘t it? I mean, it was illegal when he did it, wasn‘t it?

MCCARTHY: It was, but unfortunately, the information that Virginia had did not go into the national instant background check system. And that‘s what basically my bill would do. It would get a mandate for the states, take the information that they have and put it into a computer system so that the instant—listen, we know that a computer is only as good as the data that it has.

The states need to give that information so that when a gun store is selling a gun, he knows that the information he has selling to someone like that murderer, that he shouldn‘t have been able to buy a gun.

CARLSON: In February, you introduced the Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007. It would regulate semi-automatic assault weapons, including weapons that have pistol grips, a forward grip and something called a barrel shroud. Weapons with a barrel shroud would be regulated. What is a barrel shroud and why should we regulate it?

MCCARTHY: I think the more important thing is that it also would have banned the large capacity clips that Colin Ferguson had used and also the killer. But we are talking about.

CARLSON: OK. But I read the legislation.

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: I‘m sorry. I read the legislation and it said that it would regulate barrel shrouds. What is a barrel shroud? And why should we regulate that?

MCCARTHY: The guns that were chosen back in those days were basically the gun that most gangs and criminal were using to kill our police officers. I‘m not saying it was the best bill. But that was the best bill they could get out...

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: Do you know what a barrel shroud is?

MCCARTHY: I actually don‘t know what a barrel shroud is.

CARLSON: Oh, OK. Because it is in your legislation.

MCCARTHY: I believe it is a shoulder thing that goes up.

CARLSON: No, it‘s not. I just—here‘s my question. Shouldn‘t we spend more time trying to understand why people commit these crimes, how a person with this profound mental illness like Colin Ferguson or Cho Seung-Hui can exist in our society unnoticed. That seems a more pressing question than whether has a barrel shroud to me, don‘t you think?

MCCARTHY: Well, to be very honest with you, I have been working on that for years, also. That is called having mental parity. When we lost two police officers here—down here in the Capitol, it was done by a deranged person that unfortunately had fallen through the cracks because he went off his medication.

I certainly believe in mental health and it is something that we need to even start looking back, even starting through high school. You know, looking at these young people that might need help and get them help they have. But right now we don‘t have a system that is taking care of that. Hopefully, that will be—get done by Patrick Kennedy and Mr. Ramstad from Minnesota.

CARLSON: I hope something is done. Thanks very much, Congresswoman.

We appreciate it very much.

MCCARTHY: Thank you.

CARLSON: That is it for us. Thanks for watching. Up next is “HARDBALL.” One of Chris‘ guests will be NBC News President Steve Capus. We will see you tomorrow.

bowline
April 19, 2007, 11:51 PM
MCCARTHY: Well, to be very honest with you, I have been working on that for years, also. That is called having mental parity.

And you've got a lot more work ahead of you, ma'am.

fletcher
April 20, 2007, 12:45 AM
She is an absolute moron, and this video gave me and my friends a solid minute of laughing.

Fulcrum of Evil
April 20, 2007, 02:26 AM
In all fairness, the M1 Garand was used to assault normandy - it's the assault weapon of its day.

Frog48
April 20, 2007, 02:34 AM
It is pretty pathetic that she doesnt know what a barrel shroud is.

But also, I cant stand it when people refer to a magazine as a "clip".

Carl N. Brown
April 20, 2007, 12:46 PM
McCarthy's legislation basically defines a "barrel shroud" as
a stock extension that encircles or substantially encircles
the barrel.

Would that include the stock of the M1 Garand or M1 carbine?
It reads so to me.

My son and friends like to shoot clay pigeons on my uncles
farm. After burning his hand, he insisted on putting a heat
shield on the barrel of his Mossberg. That is one of the
"barrel shrouds" specifically called for banning in most of
these AW bans. I have a steel barrel shroud on my S&W 916,
to give a raised rear sighting plane for slug shooting and
add some forward weight to the gun. That McCarthy would
demonize these features and punish me for owning them
is bizarre to me.

The fact that she does not know what is in her own bill
indicates to me it was probably written by the same people
who gave us AWB One and is just sponsored by her without
her reading or understanding HER OWN bill. No wonder these
politicians react to our criticism they way they do: we know
more about their own legislation than they do.

Mr.V.
April 20, 2007, 12:57 PM
Would that include the stock of the M1 Garand or M1 carbine?
It reads so to me.

the M1 carbine is mentioned by name already...

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