McCain - I will back no gun control


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ravnew
April 19, 2007, 02:04 AM
Taken from a thread on FSN



McCain Says He Backs No Gun Control

from:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6569689,00.html

By CALVIN WOODWARD

Associated Press Writer

Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain declared Wednesday he believes in ``no gun control,'' making the strongest affirmation of support for gun rights in the GOP field since the Virginia Tech massacre.

The Arizona senator said in Summerville, S.C., that the country needs better ways to identify dangerous people like the gunman who killed 32 people and himself in the Blacksburg, Va., rampage. But he opposed weakening gun rights and, when asked whether ammunition clips sold to the public should be limited in size, said, ``I don't think that's necessary at all.''

GOP rival Rudy Giuliani, too, voiced his support for the Second Amendment on Wednesday, but not in such absolute terms. Once an advocate of strong federal gun controls, the former New York mayor said ``this tragedy does not alter the Second Amendment'' while indicating he favors the right of states to pass their own restrictions.

Other candidates in both parties have stayed largely silent on the issue in the immediate aftermath of the killings, except to express their sorrow.

McCain has opposed many gun controls in the Senate over the years but broke from most of his party - and his past - in supporting legislation to require background checks for buyers at gun shows. In one such vote, he relished taking a position at odds with the National Rifle Association.

In a speech Wednesday to a crowd of 400, McCain was unequivocal in support of the right to bear arms.

``I do not believe we should tamper with the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States,'' he said. A woman shouted that George Washington's troops used muskets, not automatic weapons.

``I hope that we can find better ways of identifying people such as this sick young man so that we can prevent them from not only taking action with guns but with knives or with anything else that will harm their fellow citizens,'' McCain said.

McCain reiterated that later with reporters.

``I strongly support the Second Amendment and I believe the Second Amendment ought to be preserved - which means no gun control,'' McCain said.

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50 Shooter
April 19, 2007, 02:05 AM
We'll see if he caves, personally I don't trust him.

LawBot5000
April 19, 2007, 02:12 AM
Pretty sad when a republican candidate is described as "not supporting the 2nd amendment on the same absolute terms as McCain." How much more tepid can you get? I'm really dreading a hillary/giuliani contest.

MrTuffPaws
April 19, 2007, 03:24 AM
McCain is a worm.

velojym
April 19, 2007, 03:28 AM
Looking at the likely front runners.... I see nothing. Every one of them scares me.
Ron Paul may try to run, and I really hope he makes it... but I fear he isn't mainstream enough.
I think I'll go get a beer now.

3rdpig
April 19, 2007, 03:31 AM
McCain is quickly becoming irrelevant. He doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination and he knows it and he's trying to reinvent himself and it's not going to work.

Fred Thompson in 98! Run Fred, Run!

Soybomb
April 19, 2007, 03:56 AM
In one such vote, he relished taking a position at odds with the National Rifle Association.

In a speech Wednesday to a crowd of 400, McCain was unequivocal in support of the right to bear arms.

``I do not believe we should tamper with the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States,'' he said
McCain's actions speak louder than his words.

Anotherguy
April 19, 2007, 05:01 AM
GOP rival Rudy Giuliani, too, voiced his support for the Second Amendment on Wednesday, but not in such absolute terms. Once an advocate of strong federal gun controls, the former New York mayor said ``this tragedy does not alter the Second Amendment'' while indicating he favors the right of states to pass their own restrictions.

This is one of many problems, allowing states to usurp the constitution! This drives me nuts, especially as a resident of Illinois with our boneheaded general assembly, allowing states to write their own gun (or any other) laws. Individual states should not be allowed to pass any law that would be in conflict with the Constitution of the United States of America.

ConfuseUs
April 19, 2007, 06:11 AM
The problem with always checking to see which way the wind blows is that nobody believes you when you say you're walking upwind.

ATW525
April 19, 2007, 07:43 AM
Though I think Ron Paul is ideal, I would happily accept McCain over 90% of the mainstream canidates out there. He might not be the perfect choice, but he's lightyears ahead of the prominent Democratic canidates.

mike101
April 19, 2007, 10:01 AM
Gee, is McCain flip-flopping? :D What happened to him all of a sudden?

I think this is a good indication that the whole country isn't swallowing the antis' rhetoric, this time. A lot of people are waking up to the fact that gun-free zones are an open invitation to every lunatic out there.

It's about time.

JWarren
April 19, 2007, 10:10 AM
As much as I hate to say what I am about to say:


If Fred Thompson doesn't run, I may well have to look at McCain as a possibility.


Facing facts, I dont' think Paul will pull off the nomination. If Thompson isn't in the game, I'll have to take McCain over Guliani.

I'll vote for your kid's pet goldfish before voting for Guliani-- or standing aside and watching him become our president. Ditto Obama and Hillary.


John

ravnew
April 19, 2007, 10:23 AM
Scary as it sounds I agree with JWarren. If Thompson/Paul does not become reality McCain may be my only choice.

xd9fan
April 19, 2007, 10:27 AM
this from a guy that puts limits on the 1stA.........again talk is cheap.....in Washington its worthless

Elza
April 19, 2007, 10:31 AM
McCain is just like Clinton: say whatever sounds good today. Yesterday is gone and tomorrow isnít here yet.

DualBerettas
April 21, 2007, 12:24 AM
this from the guy that said hi cap mags should be banned...

and an evil republican is not the only choice...the libertarian party is there...

before you laugh if people keep voting for the lesser of two evils...eventually this country will have a civil war as liberty keeps yielding...

DB

Lupinus
April 21, 2007, 12:25 AM
problem isn't what they say it is what they do, and once they are in there there isn't a whole lot we can do for the next four years. Learning that the hard way.

Slotback
April 21, 2007, 12:53 AM
McCain tends to look like a "Manchurian Candidate" to me. He comes out and does some pretty weird political flip flops.

Waitone
April 21, 2007, 01:56 AM
Sen. McCain,

we here in flyover country appreciate your new found enthusiasm for the second amendment. You just said you don't believe in gun control. I draw your attention to legislation you prominently sponsored in years past, Closing the Gunshow Loophole in which you would subject law-abiding citizens to stalinist regulations just because they were in a gunshow.

Do you consider your legislation to be gun control? Answer carefully Senator, you get one chance to get the answer right. You are not considered to be the most stable of candidates.

Yours in the Second Amendment,

Waitone

Monkeyleg
April 21, 2007, 02:15 AM
I've been a loyal, Republican-voting RNC supporter for years.

Having said that, if McCain or Guiliani are my choices next year, I'll vote for local candidates, but not for any presidential candidates.

And I'm going to call my state and national Republican party officials and let them know that NOBODY besides Fred Thompson will get my vote, or what little money I can contribute.

Beyond that, we have a political action committee here in Wisconsin called the WCCM. Right now we're only chartered to support state-level candidates.

It would only require filing a few more forms to allow us to contribute to Fred Thompson's campaign. And I sure as hell would do my best to raise as much money as possible.

Until Thompson started talking about running, I just assumed that a Democrat would win the presidency in 2008. If he declares, which it looks like he will, I think he has a good chance.

thexrayboy
April 21, 2007, 02:19 AM
Listen not to what they say but attend that which they do.

When a DC polly opens his mouth the only thing that comes out is hot air and
bovine fecal material. Doesn't really matter which side of the aisle he is on.

McCain is no different from the career pollys like Schumer, Lautenberg etc. etc. ad nauseum. He holds up a finger, checks which way the political air flow is headed and then spits out some trite comment designed to serve his
personal agenda. His past actions speak volumes more than any words that could ever emanate from his piehole.

ProficientRifleman
April 21, 2007, 04:36 AM
He is an absolute hypocrite! He was all about gun registration and Brady and AWB, back 10 and 12 years ago. Can he change his mind? Sure he can, if he was misinformed before. I don't believe he was misinformed before. Leopards do not change their spots. He is a political opportunist who sees which way the wind is blowing. He is less polished than Bill Clinton, but of the same stuff.

Limeyfellow
April 21, 2007, 04:41 AM
The antigun views worked for numerous presidents like Bush Sr, Reagon, Ford and Nixon so unfortantly they have a habit of saying they support gun rights and then stabbing people in the back.

The only good thing as others have said their isn't the support even amongst Democrats to get any new restrictions put into place. Gun control stopped being a major issue 12 years ago.

Dmack_901
April 21, 2007, 02:02 PM
In one such vote, he relished taking a position at odds with the National Rifle Association.

In a speech Wednesday to a crowd of 400, McCain was unequivocal in support of the right to bear arms.

``I do not believe we should tamper with the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States,'' he said
McCain's actions speak louder than his words.
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0061103

Just scroll down to "Gun Issues" and see for your self.

Matt King
April 21, 2007, 02:12 PM
If you just look at his voting record, you will see whose side he is really on.

karz10
April 21, 2007, 02:30 PM
Well, I don't know if he'll get very far now, after his 'Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iraaaannnnn' comment in SC after being asked by someone in what I believe was some kind of military post what his thoughts on Iran were, he paused for a moment and started singing that comment to the tune of 'barb barb barb, barb barb barbara annnnnn' and laughed, and then tried to collect his thoughts....

If you haven't seen, a lot of media has been harping on it and getting muslim people on tv saying joke or not, that's irresponsible, etc.

I saw other parts of this stand up routine, and he looked uncomfortable up there, and seemed to have a cold or something that day, he kept fidgiting with his nose and sounded congested, I don't think he was having a good day....

FWIW, it might blow over, then again, it might not

Karz

SoCalShooter
April 21, 2007, 03:26 PM
Its one thing to say it, but flip flop Mccain cannot be trusted.

'Card
April 21, 2007, 05:33 PM
This thread has more crap in it than a double-hole outhouse.

Those of you who say McCain has such a heavy duty anti-gun voting record need to do a little research. Fact of the matter is that the gun show background check bill they list in the article is the only time he's ever gotten close to the anti-gun line, and even that one wasn't a simple cut-and-dried matter. He voted for one committee version of the bill that had some harsher criminal penalties in it for certain violations, then he voted against a version that had those penalties removed, and then for a third version with some other changes. The bill never made it anywhere at all in the long run.

The real reason why McCain is blasted by so many pro-gun organizations doesn't have anything to do with guns at all - it's because of the McCain-Feingold bill. Now you can say that money equals free speech or money doesn't equal free speech or whatever you like about it, but saying he's anti-gun because of a bill that doesn't have anything to do with guns (but might possibly have hurt pro-gun groups more than anti-gun groups) is just flat-out wrong.

Think what you like about McCain (I'm undecided on him myself) but if you're going to form an opinion about him based solely on his position on the RKBA, then at least make sure you know the facts about it.

Rachen
April 21, 2007, 05:59 PM
but nevertheless, we must be prudent.

McCain could have woken up from the false promises of gun control, seen the effects of gun control on crime ridden cities, and seen that gun control does nothing to reduce crime.

However, voters should always be careful that this recent support for the 2nd ammendment is just a political stunt, all for self interest and getting back into power. Look at what Britney Spears did in the past 3 months to renew her celebrity status.

trondossa17
April 21, 2007, 06:12 PM
I don't trust 99% of politicians on this issue (including most all of the presidential candidates, excepting Ron Paul).

It's a citizen's duty, IMO, to keep track of how their elected officials are doing. If we're not involved in the process, we may well be surprised at what actually gets passed.

ATW525
April 21, 2007, 06:41 PM
I'm with 'Card on this. McCain voted against the Brady Bill and the AWB. He also voted for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms and the prohibition on gun consification after Katrina. His actual voting record is very Pro-2nd Amendment and always has been. All these accusations of him flip flopping on the issue are rubbish when you stop and look at his actual voting record.

As 'Card also mentioned, the beef the NRA has had with McCain isn't about his stance on 2nd Amendment issues at all, but rather his support of campaign finance reform. I don't personally agree with his position in that regard, but if that's the worst of his evils, I can live with it.

Also, the idea of not voting if your preferred canidate doesn't get the nomination makes no sense at all. By not voting for the Republican canidate, you're making it easier for Clinton or Obama to win in '08. Almost every Republican hopeful right now is better than either of them, even if they're not perfect.

hksw
April 21, 2007, 10:55 PM
Republican presidential candidate John McCain declared Wednesday he believes in ``no gun control,''... until I get into office

There, fixed it.

Surefire
April 21, 2007, 11:18 PM
Giuliani is practically 100 percent liberal on social issues. We might as well have Clinton or Abama win so that when they (foul) the country over the Democrats can take the blame. I don't want Giuliani to win no matter what. His liberal agenda IMO will cost us our rights, and everyone will remember that it was a Republican that did it!

I'm hoping a libertarian or more conservative candidate has a chance. I don't think this is likely though. If McCain were to make a comeback, I'll probably go for him since IMO he's a little more conservative than the top candidates (Giuliani, Clinton, Obama).

Fred Thompson may be a good choice, but if he doesn't have a reasonable shot then its like throwing a vote away and giving the Socialist Giuliani the nod.

Its a sad state of affairs. All the choices are not trustworthy IMO, and as voters I feel that the best we can do is vote for the least worst.

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