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yongxingfreesty
April 19, 2007, 05:23 AM
This is what happened.

A friend of mine sold a ps3 on craigslist earlier in the day. The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him. My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet. We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs, we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads, but he is still very close to us. We then decide that we need to get on the freeway, but the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

We call the cops and they arrive. First one cop then seven cop cars and three wreckers. I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk. I do as they say and they question us. Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

I had a 1911, usp, glock 19 and ak47 in the trunk. There are a total of four people in the car including two CHL. This lady cop comes up to me and ask why so many weapons and I say it's for worse case scenario and she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47. She then says I have too many weapons and I ask her am I only allowed to carry one. She didnt say anything and another male officer came to ask for name, address, dob, address, etc.

We are then driven to the place of where the other car crashed. They screw up big time when they lie to the police. First thing they said was they dont know us. My friend showed the police officer the name in phonebook and called the number while her phone rang. The lady cop got pretty upset when she found out they were not tellin the truth. The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

Funny thing is, one cop called over the other cops to check out my weapons. They were playing with the ak while taking out all the rounds to put in a ziploc bag.

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this.

I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.

A couple of things I want to know are,

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?
Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?
Why are women cops the worse to deal with?


After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us. Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

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rkh
April 19, 2007, 05:55 AM
:scrutiny: You were being chased and you didn't call the cops until after you crashed? You wave your AK around at the sight of african americans?

What?

When you realized you were being chased you should have immediately called the police. It's unreal that you didn't call until you had a smashup. Something about your story doesn't ring true. Why didnt you arrange the refund to take place in very public place? Preferably a police station.

The cop that harassed you about all the guns in your trunk was spot on. You put yourself in a dangerous situation anticipating a gun battle... over a playstation.. that wasn't even yours. Legal or not, that was grade A stupidity.

gunsmith
April 19, 2007, 05:59 AM
huh?

To female CHP officers got me for speeding, then they discovered a failure to appear, no license and no registration!

They kicked me lose telling me to "please get that stuff fixed"

only take legal advice from a cop if you are paying them to be your lawyer and if they will represent you in Court.

When they started chasing you you should have called the police immediately.

yongxingfreesty
April 19, 2007, 06:00 AM
I was sitting in the back seat behind passenger and was too worried to call police. I didn't even think about it, kept thinking about where to go in the neighborhood because didn't want to get trapped dead end.

helpless
April 19, 2007, 06:08 AM
I agree, at some point call 911 as soon as you can. Then defend yourself. Taking your Ak out of the trunk was not bright though.

I am a graphic designer btw, not a lawyer.

Rattlesnake
April 19, 2007, 06:11 AM
The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this....
Oh yeah a vehicle is a deadly weapon. According to my dept. policy ramming is a use of deadly force, therefore we can't do it unless the other guy is committing an act that could cause serious personal injury or death, such as... ramming. I could not in all reasonableness agree with what those officers said.

A couple of things I want to know are,

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?
Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?
Why are women cops the worse to deal with?
First question depends on the jurisdiction. Here in NM it is perfectly acceptable.
I don't think I'd want to shoot the person driving me around unless I can get to the steering wheel quickly.:eek:
They're not. You haven't met me on duty.

All smart remarks aside, why did you let ti get that far???

dave_pro2a
April 19, 2007, 06:11 AM
Best of luck with life.

(sorry to be so brutal man, but really, sell your guns and try not to do anything rash or brash for the next few years as you mature)

Jeff White
April 19, 2007, 06:11 AM
To female CHP officers got me for speeding, then they discovered a failure to appear, no license and no registration!

Are you telling me that in California a peace officer is not required to arrest someone who has a warrant? :confused:

Here a warrant reads:

TO ALL PEACE OFFICERS OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS:

You are hereby commanded to arrest _____________ and bring said person without unnecessary delay before The Honorable Presiding Judge of the Circuit Court of the Fourth Judicial Circuit, Marion County, in the courtroom usually occupied by him or her in the Marion County Courthouse in the City of Salem, Illinois or if he or she is absent or unable to act, before the nearest or most accessable court in said county to answer a charge made against said person for the offense of ___________________

It doesn't say if you you feel like arresting the person, it says you are commanded to.

Jeff

Bob R
April 19, 2007, 06:15 AM
bob

Deavis
April 19, 2007, 06:22 AM
You could have been killed over a PS3. Someone called you and made a death threat, so you just decided to go meet them instead of resolving it through other channels that didn't put you in danger of bodily harm? You have a CHL and had to sit through the conflict resolution portion, did anything they taught you even bubble up to the top of your thought process? I admit it isn't great training, but come on.

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?

a) you shouldn't be carrying weapons if you don't know the laws concerning them
b) If you can afford a real ak-47 and jump thorugh the hoops to get it then you have no excuse for not knowing the laws

you can walk down the street in texas with a loaded long gun. It can be in your car, your gunrack, or your trunk. It doesn't matter, the prohibition is against handguns.

Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?

I would not recommend shooting the person driving you under any circumstances unless you have to. How are you going to control the car after you shoot the person driving you? Perhaps you want to rephrase the question?

Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

Depends, then agai, this was covered in your CHL class in regards to a brandishing/deadly weapon v. no deadly weapon situation. You shouild already know the answer to that question.

ingram
April 19, 2007, 06:22 AM
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Geno
April 19, 2007, 06:24 AM
:scrutiny:

jeep-2
April 19, 2007, 06:40 AM
what an exciting story, i can't wait for the movie

Glockfan.45
April 19, 2007, 06:51 AM
Um......wow. Lets all take this as an example of how not to deal with this type of situation. Where you went wrong.

1.) You went to meet with a group of stangers that just made threats against your lives. You should have called the police right then.

2.) You placed the lives of others in danger by creating a high speed pursuit. While running may have been justifiable in this case you never should have been there in the first place. Also you should have called the police when the chase began.

3.) You were carrying weapons without knowing the laws regarding their carry. I have my own thoughts as to why you brought a trunk full of guns :scrutiny: , but since its speculation on my part I wont comment further.

After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us.

Aside from the fact that I think your trying to race bait here I see another problem with this claim. You stopped and got out of your car to grab a rifle. They made no threating gestures towards you, and your response was to brandish a weapon at them. You should have left, and if they followed you then call the police. It really sounds like you went looking for trouble in all of this to me. Do yourself and the rest of the firearms community a favor and sell your guns.

You're an idiot on so many levels it's hard to even go into.

Not my words but I do have to agree.

evan price
April 19, 2007, 06:56 AM
Wow... just.... wow.


I call imminent thread lock on this one..!

sacp81170a
April 19, 2007, 07:00 AM
Are you telling me that in California a peace officer is not required to arrest someone who has a warrant?

Exactly. Not to get off topic, but when we run someone's DL it will show if they have any warrants. That means that at least the dispatcher will know if an officer failed to arrest someone on a warrant. :what:

It depends on departmental policy whether they can release you with a citation and a new court date, but if the warrant is from another agency, you will be taking a trip to the greybar hotel.

Geno
April 19, 2007, 07:13 AM
I had to reread this before I posted some text. I am a strong believer in the fact of the police motto to protect and to serve. Why did you not meet at the police department or public safety parking lot?

Doc2005

El Tejon
April 19, 2007, 07:32 AM
I just don't know where to begin.:uhoh:

Kharn
April 19, 2007, 07:56 AM
This story's more messed up than a soup sandwich. :scrutiny:

Kharn

30 cal slob
April 19, 2007, 08:01 AM
395 posts here? wow.

much you have to learn from your encounter.

if anything, i would have a sit-down chat with your CHP instructor and ask him what he thinks.

if you don't get a critique from him/her - you had a bad instructor.

Titan6
April 19, 2007, 08:06 AM
The logic was so bad here it made my head hurt. That must have been some PS3.

'Card
April 19, 2007, 08:15 AM
Interesting. I dug up this movie quote just yesterday to use in a discussion about forum stupidity, and the very next day I stumble across this thread.

"...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." - from the Adam Sandler film Billy Madison.

Jeff White
April 19, 2007, 08:21 AM
Moderator Hat on:

Let's stay on the High Road guys. Calling another member names isn't permitted and you all know that.

sacp81170a,
Could have been out of the geographic limits of the warrant. We don't issue NTAs on warrants up here, the bond is often set when the warrant is issued and the wanted person just has to post it at the jail and be released again. But a valid warrant always means a trip to the calaboose even if only to bond out again.

Jeff

Risasi
April 19, 2007, 08:25 AM
Looks like you lucked out.


So now that you have a new lease on life, are you going to;

1. Get some common sense?

2. Learn Federal, State and Local laws?



There is plenty you and your friend did wrong. If you want us to analyze your experience down to the most minute detail I am sure we can. As to whether or not people will want to is another question entirely.


Like some of the others, I too had to re-read your initial post. And I still don't really have a clear understanding of all the events in question.

Risasi
April 19, 2007, 08:51 AM
Okay, I am fuzzy here on some of these details:
(Also I am guessing you posted this late last night, right after the events, so I am guessing you weren't in a good frame of mind when you posted this. I'll cut you some slack)

was handcuffed for 1.5 hours then free
This is what happened.



A friend of mine sold a ps3 on craigslist earlier in the day. The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him. My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

Okay, let's start here. Was the buyer a woman? Also I don't know "craigslist", or how it works. For instance if they have anonymous buying, etc. Also rule number 1, don't walk into a place you can't get out of. Not only that your friend has been threatened. Why did you guys not take this more seriously?

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet. We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs, we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads, but he is still very close to us. We then decide that we need to get on the freeway, but the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

I don't know what to think about this yet, by my initial reaction is you shouldn't have been there. This seems to be a semi-private location where you guys met. This is like a scene out of a movie, with a stolen goods hand-off. The movie Heat immediately comes to mind. I guess if you are going to do an exchange like this again make sure you arrive first, and you have Val Kilmer perched at 150 yards with an HK91. (Okay, kidding).

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

We call the cops and they arrive. First one cop then seven cop cars and three wreckers. I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk. I do as they say and they question us. Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

No comment...

I had a 1911, usp, glock 19 and ak47 in the trunk. There are a total of four people in the car including two CHL. This lady cop comes up to me and ask why so many weapons and I say it's for worse case scenario and she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47. She then says I have too many weapons and I ask her am I only allowed to carry one. She didnt say anything and another male officer came to ask for name, address, dob, address, etc.

Your response to the lady officer was not too bright. And I can see here bad reaction. All she knows is two cars are wrecked, and I'd venture to guess that they know something about the high speed in which these vehicles were operating. Not only that she now finds out you have a trunk full of weaponry.

We are then driven to the place of where the other car crashed. They screw up big time when they lie to the police. First thing they said was they dont know us. My friend showed the police officer the name in phonebook and called the number while her phone rang. The lady cop got pretty upset when she found out they were not tellin the truth. The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.


This is likely what saved your bacon, the fact that the other guys lied.


Funny thing is, one cop called over the other cops to check out my weapons. They were playing with the ak while taking out all the rounds to put in a ziploc bag.

Can you blame them? You do have some "toys".

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this.

LEO is not required to tell the truth. This was likely a test to see just how stupid you would be.



I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.

You will live...



A couple of things I want to know are,

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?

I'll let locals answer this one...

Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?

Uh, is this worded right? Am I to understand you wanted to possibly shoot your friend?


Why are women cops the worse to deal with?

I haven't found this to be true. Broadly speaking they do tend to be more emotional than their male counterparts, it is the rule rather than the exception. But that's just the nature of the female race, give 'em a break. (Not meant to be a put down, merely an observation).
Regardless, I have not found it difficult to deal with women police officers.



After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us. Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

Okay, I really don't understand this part. You left out a ton of details; were the police officers still around? Or did everybody leave already, including the police, wreckers, the fellow that chased you? Why because they were black would you think the other guy might have sent them "after you"? Also your friend's car is still operational? Need more details here...

JLStorm
April 19, 2007, 09:40 AM
I think you acted irresponsibly in a number of ways:
Meeting the guy after getting a death threat
starting a car chase through a neighborhood
not calling police earlier


Listen, here is the deal the cops pull you over after you are in a car chase, there is one car that has crashed and you have what they would term as an "arsenal" in your trunk. You KNOW how the uninformed feel about AK47's you knew you had these weapons in your trunk and you gave every gun owner a bad name. You ripped through a neighborhood, with an "assault weapon", got into a car chase, and caused a car accident, all over a video game system. This is how it looks to the outside world, in fact it looks like you wanted to be IN a video game to the outside world. If I was the officer on scene my first thought after putting together the cars, car accident and the weapons is that this was a drug deal gone bad...and I would be worried for my safety too! Try to remember that you represent all gun owners when carrying or traveling with guns, try not to act like a drunk reckless teenager next time.

lance22
April 19, 2007, 09:47 AM
I can only echo the sentiments of so many who have posted above.

Thank God that I'm not in my late teens / early 20's anymore ... no offense to the people in that age bracket but trust me ... you get really really really really stupid during those years. +1 to JLStorm

1BLINDREF
April 19, 2007, 09:52 AM
Poor judgement and stupidity with guns, especially "evil" AKs, is not what we (law abiding gun owners) need at this time. Imagine what the media would have done with this story if there were shots fired or worse, during this little episode.

My vote is for you selling your guns until you educate yourself on the gun laws in your State, and grow up.

JWarren
April 19, 2007, 09:52 AM
Staying High Road.

Looking at your post, there are a number of things that you may want to consider. As others have said, I am NOT a lawyer, and the laws of various states differ. However, I have some experience with some incidents not of my own creation. Looking at your post, I may have done a few things differently:


The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him.


Call Police NOW.

My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

Uhm... you don't meet with people that have threatened to kill you. If they have shown the character that they would threated you life over a video game, do you really think they will be honorable on any level?

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet.

Considering that you DID choose to meet with these people, this is the point you should be calling 911-- not AFTER something has happened. My first job out of college was a collections manager-- and I actually had to repo a few vehicles myself. I've been chased by angry persons. I would call 911, explain the situation and drive them straight to the police station.

We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs

I'm getting old and unhip... can anyone tell me what HIDS are? I just gotta know.

we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads,

At this point, you are now endangering innocent people's lives. You gotta think about that.

We then decide that we need to get on the freeway,

Again, cell phone and 911 probably was the better course of action.

the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

This is the caliber of person you are dealing with??? My god... such twisted logic.

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

You both wrecked? Wow.

I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk.

Good.

Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

I don't like it, but I can understand the reasoning.

she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47.

I am no fan of comments like this-- even from police. I would have responded that she is welcome to her opinion, but it is irrelevant to my rights to own it. And no... I would not be rude.

She then says I have too many weapons

See above.

The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

It is irrelevant whether the guns have been fired legally-- except that they were investigating to determine if the OTHER wreck was cause due to you shooting at them.

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat.

As posted earlier, DO NOT take legal advice from the LEOs-- especially when they are investigating your incident.

Your answer that they were not a threat was good-- except one thing: If they weren't a threat enough for you to have to shoot, and they were not enough of a threat to call 911 and report what was happening, they they probably were not enough of a threat for a high speed chase and the resulting wrecks.

The best answer would have been simply "I was not going to shoot a person." Let them interpret that as they will. There is nothing that can be implied or extrapolated from that statement. From that point, you should have said NOTHING else about that. And I hope you didn't respond to the comment that the vehicle was a threat. That was an attempt to get you talking and maybe slipping up.


I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.


You'll get over it. I'd think a wreck will make you more sore than a pair of cuffs.


Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?

You need to check your state laws. Know them WELL and stay within them.

Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?

I DO NOT advise shooting someone in another car chasing you-- moreover, I DO advise avoiding situations where people ARE chasing you in a car.


Why are women cops the worse to deal with?

Women arent' more difficult do deal with. Often they come at it from a different perspective and manner of speech. It seems so in contrast to dealing with a male cop. Rest assured, he isn't your friend when he is investigating you, either. They both will be looking for your complicity.


They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us.


I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us.

This isn't good. Were they doing something to indicate that they were taking an unusual interest in you? Were they threatening to you? You took the action of waving a AK at them based on that they MAY have been after you?

Being black is not a threat

You had the time to pull over, get it out, and load it before they were close to you? This doesn't sound like a high threat situation.


Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

Again, check your local laws-- but offhand, I would choose to do that even if it is legal.


My friend, don't take offense to this, but you are making a lot of mistakes. One day, one of those mistakes is going to get you killed, kill someone else, or get you tossed in prison. I will not go so far as to say you are LOOKING for a fight, but you are doing NOTHING proactively or preventatively to insure an incident does not occur. You are choosing wreckless actions once those incidents DO occur with no real regard to public safety. At best, it is thoughtless and at worst, it is negligent.


I hope you think about the possible harm to others in the future.


John

mbt2001
April 19, 2007, 09:53 AM
My friend, don't take offense to this, but you are making a lot of mistakes. One day, one of those mistakes is going to get you killed, kill someone else, or get you tossed in prison. I will not go so far as to say you are LOOKING for a fight, but you are doing NOTHING proactively or preventatively to insure an incident does not occur. You are choosing wreckless actions once those incidents DO occur with no real regard to public safety. At best, it is thoughtless and at worst, it is negligent.

As usual J, you are spot on.

Always call the cops.

Never force a confrontation.

Guns do not care about mistakes. They function with no remorse or care about the innocence or guilt of the other party. People have to live with the outcome. I highly advise you to take owning your firearms deathly serious.

There is a saying in Kendo. "Every time is the last time." In a nutshell that means that every strike must be taken seriously, blocked with conviction or delivered with power. You may not get another chance. This time maybe the last time, the time when you are presented or (more terrifingly) present an opening.

The gun is our weapon. It is a deadly instrument. It must be according respect, handled with care and carried with the gravest responsibility. Every time is the last time.

wheelgunslinger
April 19, 2007, 09:54 AM
Clearly, mistakes were made. As evinced by the number and kind of responses here.

Next time, don't expect the boys in blue, khaki, gray, or whatever color to not handcuff you for an hour and a half when they find you've been involved in high speed chase, a single vehicle accident, and have a trunk full of weapons. They have to get to the bottom of it and make sure you aren't an unsavory character.
For all they know, you're a basque separatist, part of the LFQ, or another young guy trying to be Tony Montana.
You didn't leave a lot of room for getting yourself the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry your wrists are sore, but you really asked for it. :banghead:

RIDE
April 19, 2007, 09:56 AM
I am not going to advocate IQ tests prior to gun sales... But the OP (yongxingfreesty) and people of his same IQ level should not be allowed to have firearms....

Utterly ridiculous.

Glockfan.45
April 19, 2007, 10:04 AM
can anyone tell me what HIDS are? I just gotta know.



HID - High Intensity Discharge lamps. You know those annoying purplish lights that jerks like to drive behind you at night with.

MilsurpShooter
April 19, 2007, 10:14 AM
A friend of mine sold a ps3 on craigslist earlier in the day. The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him. My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

Call the cops, for god sakes don't meet with a guy who's threatened you or your "friend". It's like thinking nothings wrong when Hannibal invites you for dinner

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet. We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs, we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads, but he is still very close to us. We then decide that we need to get on the freeway, but the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

Cops should have been called before hand and you should have met in a much more public place with many people, preferably those with Law Enforcement Powers. By going with the chase method you not only put yourself in danger but any and all innocent people you come near.

We call the cops and they arrive. First one cop then seven cop cars and three wreckers. I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk. I do as they say and they question us. Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

Sounds reasonable until the LEO is on the same page as everyone else

I had a 1911, usp, glock 19 and ak47 in the trunk. There are a total of four people in the car including two CHL. This lady cop comes up to me and ask why so many weapons and I say it's for worse case scenario and she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47. She then says I have too many weapons and I ask her am I only allowed to carry one. She didnt say anything and another male officer came to ask for name, address, dob, address, etc.

Umm... wait so you're saying you had 2 hand guns, an AK47 PLUS 2 others with carry pieces? Were you expecting another LA Shootout? C'mon man that's almost pegging the BS meter

We are then driven to the place of where the other car crashed. They screw up big time when they lie to the police. First thing they said was they dont know us. My friend showed the police officer the name in phonebook and called the number while her phone rang. The lady cop got pretty upset when she found out they were not tellin the truth. The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

Yet? You were expecting to fire these weapons?

Funny thing is, one cop called over the other cops to check out my weapons. They were playing with the ak while taking out all the rounds to put in a ziploc bag.

Again, I see no issues with this

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this.

Vehicle is a deadly weapon

I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.

You're lucky you're not dead

After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us. Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

2 car crash, cops and wreckers... Probably rubber neckers that you brandished a weapon at. You might have "Felt" threatened, but that just puts you into an alert mode.. I'd suggest a refresher safety course, review of state laws regarding your firearms and a step back to evaluate common sense. If none of this appeals to you, please sell your firearms, the anti's do not need more ammuniton against us

Shipwreck
April 19, 2007, 10:30 AM
Sorry - but this post has gotta be a troll - even with his post count If it isn't - then I am sorry - but you should not have a CHL. You are not responsible enough.

You are going to do something stupid one day and hurt someone.

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RNB65
April 19, 2007, 10:37 AM
Upon reading this little tale, a certain line from the move "Forest Gump" comes to mind.

okiebuckout
April 19, 2007, 11:06 AM
Stupid is as stupid does ????

Am I getting close RNB?:rolleyes:

No seriously everyone has been putting up good info so I have nothing else to add, except to reiterate that knowing the laws is priceless.

yongxingfreesty
April 19, 2007, 11:06 AM
Only read the first couple of replies. At first, the girlfriend who was going to meet alone wanted to meet in an empty mall parking lot that is very dark. We told her to meet somewhere with more people like the gaststation where lots of people fill up.

I'm just glad no one got hurt and yes I wasn't thinking too much.

Yes, I am not suppose to meet with people. The reason my friend wanted to give him his money back was because

1. He had his license plates and knew his cell phone number. I know people that can get my address by just the plates, didn't want the original buyer to come to his house to shoot up the place.

This was going to be settled if the girlfriend came alone, would have been cash and ps3 and exchanged/refunded. They decided to come together, the boyfriend being a threat and not the girlfriend.

Kentak
April 19, 2007, 11:11 AM
Did I just fart, or does the OP stink to high heaven?

Somebody is a poster child for who shouldn't have a CCW.

K

PotatoJudge
April 19, 2007, 11:15 AM
My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

You know how that sounds to them? I hear this from anybody and the alarms start going off. You'll rip them off on a PS3 and insist on meeting a girl, alone, in a semi-private place, with your buddy in the car too. I figure any person that'll cheat me will do worse given the chance. Just a bit from their perspective.

You don't know how lucky you are right now. I'd take some time to think of all the ways things could have happened, and what the chances are that in a series of foolish acts any one could have changed your life forever, and for the worse.

Long guns are fine in TX, it's handguns that can get you in trouble. Even then, if it was another county having guns in your car is considered travelling, it's just that Harris is a bad place to try that.

Afy
April 19, 2007, 11:19 AM
Well it didnt come down to OK Corral ... but the next time please take Doc Halliday along with you, or at least a couple of more guns.

:rolleyes:

DocHolliday
April 19, 2007, 11:25 AM
No way Afy, I only ride with folks who know the law and take responsibility for the freedoms they have been granted by our constitution.

TamThompson
April 19, 2007, 11:25 AM
At the very least, I would strongly recommend (to the original poster) that when you go to sell a gun, you advertise in a better part of town or in a nicer magazine. And when a potential buyer calls, if they sound like rif-raff, hang up. There will be more buyers. Also, you really ought to do the transaction at a gun store and just pay the fee for the NICS background check on the buyer if you don't know them...or call the non-emergency police line and give them the buyer's address and ask if there is "a history" associated with that address.

Other than that, I'm with El Teton on this one...could go on for hours.
This story sounds like "super ninja Hong Kong phooey" or something.

Lonestar
April 19, 2007, 11:26 AM
Next time use EBay:neener:

Is this post part of your multi-media Manafesto:what: . Did you really need to "ARM UP" and get into a possible shootout, over a sale of a PS3. Your really lucky you were only handcuffed for 1.5 hours and not thrown in a jail.

yongxingfreesty
April 19, 2007, 11:39 AM
Yup, I am lucky for that and I know it. I knew I wasn't going to jail from the start. All I can do is learn from this and listen to the older crowd.

Thanks

glockman19
April 19, 2007, 12:08 PM
When confrounted by hostiles, I call 911 and drive to the nearest police station. Let the police know what vehicle you're in and a description of the vehicle and people in it. 9 of 10 times they will be waiting out front ready to help. Let them know you were threatened. You know they have the gun you sold them.

I'm not sure of Texas Laws but I wouldn't shoot out of a moving car.

As far as the police and the number of guns you have... IT'S NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS. If they are all legally owned by you and not fired just ignore the comment as it was ignorant.

The other guys in the car might have been looking to jack you for your guns. interesting how they leave when you show your AK.

RIDE
April 19, 2007, 12:17 PM
Only read the first couple of replies. At first, the girlfriend who was going to meet alone wanted to meet in an empty mall parking lot that is very dark. We told her to meet somewhere with more people like the gaststation where lots of people fill up.

I'm just glad no one got hurt and yes I wasn't thinking too much.

Yes, I am not suppose to meet with people. The reason my friend wanted to give him his money back was because

1. He had his license plates and knew his cell phone number. I know people that can get my address by just the plates, didn't want the original buyer to come to his house to shoot up the place.

This was going to be settled if the girlfriend came alone, would have been cash and ps3 and exchanged/refunded. They decided to come together, the boyfriend being a threat and not the girlfriend.

Please.. please sell your guns, and get into another hobby (maybe video games) You do all gun owners a disservice by owning firearms. Do yourself and the gun rights community a favor and get rid of them.

JWarren
April 19, 2007, 12:19 PM
HID - High Intensity Discharge lamps. You know those annoying purplish lights that jerks like to drive behind you at night with.


Thanks GlockFan. I hate those things.


My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.


I don't know the guy, and everything indicates that he is a nut job. However, there is NO WAY I would let my wife meet ANYONE alone. You shouldn't really expect him to either.

I watch too much Cold Case Files.


John

hjaeger
April 19, 2007, 12:20 PM
HIDs are "high-intensity-discharge" lights. IE the bluish, bright headlights you see on many newer cars. Also known as Xenon headlights.

I wonder what year of A4...if 1996-01, shame that there's another B5 off the road. If 2002-2005, no wonder the guy was such a loser, B6s are lame :-p "Turbo..." hah. It makes 170hp stock to move a 3500lb car. However, with modifications they can easily make above 350 HP.

For reference, I drive a '97 and am about to pick up an '01.

JWarren
April 19, 2007, 12:28 PM
One thing I always found interesting about the Xeon High Intensity lights is the only place I ever saw them in large numbers is when I lived in larger cities like Orlando, FL. They were EVERYWHERE there. The BMW Z3 I used to have came with them.

The reason I found it odd is that I could forget to turn on my lights there, and still get home with perfect visiblity due to all the street lights.

Now, living out in the country where night is actually DARK, you never see them on cars. Seems like we ought to have them as a necessity more than we needed them in the city.

One thing I realized I missed so much living in cities was actually seeing stars in the sky-- instead of that sickly pink ambient glow.

Oh, I also like being able to pee off my front porch. :D


John

Master Blaster
April 19, 2007, 12:55 PM
You are lucky I wasn't the officer who heard your story.

I would have arrested you and confiscated your firearms, and had your CCW pulled.

You went out armed seeking a confrontation, you initiated a high speed chase resulting in a crash. You could have killed an innocent bystander, in your high speed reckless driving episode, or if a shootout had ensued.

The police officers who stopped you were really, really understanding, you are very lucky. Think of the handcuffing as a lesson you can learn from.

Please dont carry your gun until you get some anger management counseling.

Hemicuda
April 19, 2007, 01:02 PM
Those who go looking for troule can usually find it pretty easily...

yongxingfreesty - sell ALL your guns, knives, scissors, and anything usable as a club, GROW UP, and get a few working synapses to fire in what passes for a brain...

OH, and turn in your CHL ASAP! you shouldn't have one!

Derek Zeanah
April 19, 2007, 01:20 PM
I've been trying to decide how to reply here. No offense to anyone is intended, but I see one of three options: This is a troll.
This is a net ninja, and the events didn't happen. If they did, then they were greatly exaggerated.
The poster is simply not at a point where he's thinking clearly enough about anything to imagine he'll be a responsible firearm owner. Or a safe driver. Or a trustworthy employee at WalMart.I'm tempted to just close the thread with the label stupid/ignorant/trolling, but it's not like it's my forum, and other mods have posted before I did. ;)

30 cal slob
April 19, 2007, 01:23 PM
a troll with 359 posts?

Derek Zeanah
April 19, 2007, 01:32 PM
a troll with 359 posts?Did you read the post? Did it strike you differently? Do you see an option other than one of the 3 I listed? :)

Thumper
April 19, 2007, 01:37 PM
I don't think he's a troll...someone with the same monicker buys and sells a lot over at arfcom.

I think he's just a kid with some growing up to do.

Geno
April 19, 2007, 01:41 PM
+1 for close the thread.

It's simply a bad reflection on THR.

JWarren
April 19, 2007, 01:45 PM
It really isn't a bad reflection on THR. I am very satisfied with the reponses this person has received.

I am happy this person had the opportunity to hopefully gain wisdom from our members.

What IS a bad reflection on all gun owners is if this person continued/continues this path.


I've said this before:

We are ALL the gun community's PR department. I don't think the OP has reflected on us well, and I am happy we were able to voice that for him and others who may read this who attempt to lump us all into that mindset.


John

Big Calhoun
April 19, 2007, 01:57 PM
Before the thread gets closed, can I just raise one (what I feel) valid point to the OP, regardless of whether or not this is a true story...

You were dealing with a PS3. If it all felt THAT shady, why not meet INSIDE a mall, a restuarant, somewhere ENCLOSED, with multiple entrances, and lots of people milling about? Just something to think about.

Old Dog
April 19, 2007, 02:16 PM
Upon further review, perhaps I've really nothing relevant to add here ...

But it really disturbs me that one of our forum members would state -- on the internet -- that he took several pistols and a rifle to meet with some other young people -- to a deal involving a video-game player ... and says he actually told the police that he was "prepared for the worst-case scenario." Over a video-game player?

As JWarren and others have noted, this sort of post (and therefore, the poster) is an incredibly bad reflection on gun-owners but I also believe on THR members as well. This sort of crap will never boost our fight for RKBA.

Geronimo45
April 19, 2007, 02:24 PM
Well...

So many cockeyed steps taken that I guess I'll go in chronological order.

If you've got a death threat on you, call the Federales. That's what they're there for.

Telling the girl to come alone would instantly raise my 'color coded alert' a couple of notches. I don't blame the boyfriend for tagging along.

I don't see why you need four people to give back money. I don't quite understand that.

Better places than gas stations to meet at. Police stations are great for people who like to make death threats.

Driving away when the gal had used a tad of common sense was not a swell idea neither.

Same goes for the high-speed chase.

Friends don't let friends crash into pillars.

The Cop-ette seemed a bit out of sorts...'cuz your story was suspicious. Sounded more like an attempted kidnapping or some kind of gang activity. Four guys with guns, supposed to meet one girl to give her money? C'mon. You only call the cops now that there's a wreck, instead of the half-dozen times you could've/should've called them before.

Waving guns at rubberneckers may contribute to safer driving. Could be construed as brandishing.

Texas state law giveth not a damn about your rifle or other long guns. Loaded, or unloaded. Muzzle up or down. As long as you're not pointing it at people, you're not in violation of law. Waving it is another matter.

Art Eatman
April 19, 2007, 02:24 PM
Let's just leave it that we can hope the originator of the thread might have learned something from the responses which disapprove of his foolishness.

No point in on-going harumphing...

Art

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