And in the midst of all this, AZ Governor


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armoredman
April 19, 2007, 10:21 AM
Napalitano signed the Anti-Katrina style confiscation law yesterday. She has already signed several good bills, including one to allow grandparents to give thier big game permits to thier grandchildren, another to remove the requirement to submit fingerprints for CCW renewal, and a third to reduce the penalty of not carrying the permit with concealed weapon from a misdemeanor, to a petty offense, a $50 max fine.
Next on the agenda is a bill to redefine open carry, (a much better, clearer description.), and restrict apartment owners/managers from restricting apartment lessors from open/CCW carrying in common areas that they pay to use. That should be up in a few days.

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Ratzinger_p38
April 19, 2007, 10:36 AM
apartment owners/managers from restricting apartment lessors

This worries me. Have apartment landlords in the past tried to say a renter couldnt keep guns in his apt? I am about to move out, and when I lived in my old Apt I didnt own any guns.

DogBonz
April 19, 2007, 10:47 AM
This worries me. Have apartment landlords in the past tried to say a renter couldnt keep guns in his apt? I am about to move out, and when I lived in my old Apt I didnt own any guns.


I was filling out the application and it had a question that asked “do you own a firearm?”. I answered yes (against my gut instinct) and I got the apartment. The weekend after move-in day the owner, who lived across the street, was having a BBQ and invited my girlfriend and me so that we could get to know the neighbors. After the small talk we started talking about shooting and hunting and he said that he wanted a “sportsman” in his property because they are overall more responsible. I went shooting a few times with him and even after I moved out he said that he would still be a reference for me on any lease applications.

El Tejon
April 19, 2007, 11:12 AM
Petty offense=infraction (fine, no jail possible) then?

Good for GWR. Always better to be the hammer than the nail. When you gain ground, attack!:)

Lobotomy Boy
April 19, 2007, 11:25 AM
Yesterday a friend and I were discussing race, sex, and politics. We both agreed that we'd gladly vote for a black man, but we wouldn't vote for Barack Obama if he was white, purple, or any other color. We both agreed in theory that we'd vote for a woman for president, but we couldn't think of a single woman holding a major political office right now for whom we could vote. The female Democrats are total loons, as far as I can see, and many of the female Republicans aren't far behind. I mean, Michelle Bachman claims God told her to become a tax attorney. (She didn't mention whether or not God suggested she check the air pressure in her tires at 3 in the morning...)

But I digress. It sounds like the AZ governor might be a woman in politics who is worth watching as a possible presidential contender.

AZRickD
April 19, 2007, 11:43 AM
Yes, she has positioned herself as a "moderate." But she has strong left-of-center leanings, if given the room to navigate (abortion, taxes, school choice, etc). But she would be far better than just about any of the current Demo candidates, save, perhaps, for Bill Richardson, Gov of New Mexico.

Janet Napolitano gained notariety as Anita Hill's attorney during the Clarence Thomas hearings 15 years ago. Clinton then made her US Atty for Arizona. She then ran against a GOP (libertarian leaning) candidate and won the Arizona Attorney General race. And then ran against a loveable, yet tepid candidate in Matt Salmon for Governor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Napolitano

Petty Offense = $50 ticket.

While I'm at it, the group that was behind the passage of these bills this year, and all the ones last year, was not the NRA nor the Arizona Rifle & Pistol Association, though I've heard rumors that they've taken credit.

Look no further than The Arizona Citizens Defense League
http://www.azcdl.org/index.html

You might wish to join.

Rick

armoredman
April 19, 2007, 11:48 AM
Ratzinger, it has happened, even in my own complex, where managers/owners told tenants that they cannot carry in common areas, like workout areas, pool table rooms, clubhouses, etc. This latest one removes that, if it goes through. Now, that does NOT mean in your own aportment - AZ law has long held you have the right to CCW without a permit in, or on, any property you own or rent. An apartment owner would not be able to restrict you from moving in because you own legal firearms.
Lobotomy, I wouldn't be TOO unhappy with current AZ Governor Janet Napalitano as President, :scrutiny: , but I'd much, MUCH, rather see Fred Thompson in the White House!

El Tejon...GWR?

WayneConrad
April 19, 2007, 11:53 AM
AZCDL is the real deal. They've been very effective, and very much deserve our support.

Lobotomy Boy
April 19, 2007, 11:56 AM
When Thompson enters the race I expect to see Giuliani and McCain wiped off the face of the political map. Hilary could maybe beat either of them (Obama is dead in the water in a national election), but she won't have a chance against Thompson. The ony way the Dems could have a chance against Thompson would be if they grew up and ran an adult like Bill Richardson. I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Jim March
April 19, 2007, 01:02 PM
Having studied AZ politics of late...

The state is split between GOP and Dem, with GOP slightly in the lead ONLY because the Latino vote (I mean legal, citizen votes) is under-represented. Basically there are two AZ Democratic parties, a white one and a Latino one, and...they sometimes come in conflict, sometimes blend well. And the Latino one is badly broken. It's run by a few patriarchs like Grijalva who sometimes stomp on any up-and-coming Latino politicians so as to remain "big fish in a small pond".

You also have to remember that AZ Dems are *nothing* like their California cousins. There's a lot of reasons for that but upshot is, the average AZ Dem is more likely to be a gunnie than the average California Republican :).

The California Democratic party is much more "top down authoritarian" than the AZ variant. I'm starting to think the "clean elections" process in AZ has something to do with it. While my Libertarian brain rebels against state-funded elections, I have to admit that with candidates winning with less money, the lower-level candidates are less beholden to the higher-level.

Classic example: in California, Dem politicians who are in "untouchable seats" such as San Francisco can take all sorts of "tainted money" (as their own people see it) without repercussions. Ever wonder why Willie Brown was speaker for, what, 26 years? He would take in all sorts of money from timber, big tobacco and the like and re-distribute it to more desperate Dems. The lower-level Dems could then say "Oh no, I'd NEVER take money from the [whatever] lobby!" - they'd just get it from Willie. And then unless they wanted the tap cut off, they did what Willie's bidding. He ended up owning over half the legislature.

That's not happening in AZ near as much. So it's much more raucous on both sides. The Dems squabble amongst themselves while the state GOP has been basically taken over by a mixed Minuteman/Christian-Coalition tag team that's somewhat "out there" by national standards.

Kinda cool if you don't WANT gov't as a smoothly oiled machine. It's more of a glorious mess. County board of supervisors members in Pima and Maricopa Counties are considered MORE powerful than state legislators...who only serve four months out of the year, are paid a relative pittance and don't have any staffers(!).

Against this backdrop, Janet doesn't want to alienate the gunnie vote - which is pretty significant within BOTH parties.

It's pretty damn cool, y'know?

Lobotomy Boy
April 19, 2007, 01:07 PM
Arizona sounds like a good model for the rest of the nation.

Lonestar49
April 19, 2007, 01:42 PM
...

Here's some good news: This past weekend, on Sunday April 15, one of our largest Law Firm Clients, (100 lawyers) that use our business, for much of their pre-trial discovery or Arbitration's, threw their (every year) 1000 invited guest Long Beach Grand Prix Party at their 14 story office in Long Beach.

After the wife and I got there and finished our, 14th floor, full-on breakfast, and then headed to the 2 open bars on that floor as well, and got another Mimosa, good Orange Juice, lol, the owner of this law firm came up to us and greeted us and, as we exchanged warm thanks again for the invite, etc., I then asked him a question.

First, he is a STAUNCH Democrat, and there are more pictures of him and Democratic Presidents, Senators, Representatives, Governors, and Mayors, than one could imagine. And he is smart, as he has just as many with the exact same Republican Presidents, etc., and switches them out if some VIP Republican is coming to his law firm office, but it's always his first-love Democratic Pictures, hanging, for this party in the huge reception area of the full, dinning area, law library, and 2 open bars, all on the 14th floor with a view to kill for, right at the ocean, thru 360 degree, huge bay windows, thruout that floor.

My wife and I are (silent Republicans) as we never cross the Party lines with him (good for business) but this time, I did..

I said to him, I have just one question for you: "If it comes down to Hillary vs Fred Thompson, who would you vote for?

He didn't hesitate, and said, "if it's Hillary vs Fred Thompson, I would vote for Fred Thompson..

There's hope..



LS

PS.. Arizona is where we plan to move in the next 3yrs..

Lennyjoe
April 19, 2007, 02:10 PM
You also have to remember that AZ Dems are *nothing* like their California cousins. There's a lot of reasons for that but upshot is, the average AZ Dem is more likely to be a gunnie than the average California Republican
Hopefully it stays that way. I hope to God that they dont infect Arizona like they did Washington State.

Though I might not be living in Arizona too much longer (retiring from Air Force in Oct), I hope Arizona stays as gun friendly as it has been in the past.

As for the Gov, I don't agree with alot of her dealings but this time I'm glad she pulled her head out of her backside.

Titan6
April 19, 2007, 02:25 PM
I was filling out the application and it had a question that asked “do you own a firearm?”. I answered yes (against my gut instinct) and I got the apartment. The weekend after move-in day the owner, who lived across the street, was having a BBQ and invited my girlfriend and me so that we could get to know the neighbors. After the small talk we started talking about shooting and hunting and he said that he wanted a “sportsman” in his property because they are overall more responsible. I went shooting a few times with him and even after I moved out he said that he would still be a reference for me on any lease applications.

As a landlord with several properties I can tell you that this actually serves another purpose as well. If you own a firearm and admit it in writing the chance of you being a convicted felon drops to somewhere around zero. I still run sex offender background check as some sex crimes are not felonies but this puts you well ahead of the pack. So I will let everyone know if you ever see that question answer honestly. If you do have a firearm and then lie about it then a red flag goes up in mind. Some of you might be wondering about the legality of this. I will tell you laws vary from state to state. The States in which I am a landlord this is perfectly legal.

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