CCW permits among the killed / wounded VT students?


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yhtomit
April 19, 2007, 02:01 PM
Obviously a lot of people are talking about what might have been wrt CCW in the Virginia Tech shooting.

I'm curious if anyone has direct knowledge about any of the killed or wounded victims; did any of them have CCW permits? Were any of them hunters or target shooters?

Nothing can make what happened better (or worse, really), but I'd like to know whether there was anyone there in the same situation as Suzanna Gratia Hupp and the others at the Killeen Luby's in 1991. (Guns that *would likely have been carried* if not for the campus restrictions.)

timothy

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Vern Humphrey
April 19, 2007, 02:09 PM
I'm looking for the same thing -- if we can find one, I have several people willing to help fund a lawsuit on his or her behalf.

stevek
April 19, 2007, 02:38 PM
Vern, IF it goes forward, you can count on a donation to the fund from my wife and I. Please keep us informed...:fire: :cuss:

Vern Humphrey
April 19, 2007, 02:45 PM
Let's all keep looking -- let's find the right guy and contact him.

For a start, do we have any members in Blacksburg, VA who could help locate someone willing to carry the flag?

blinkin357
April 19, 2007, 03:17 PM
You may find some victims who served in the military or as police officers as well.

MikePGS
April 19, 2007, 03:18 PM
Didn't the roanoke times release the names of every CCW holder in the state of virginia a few months back? If you could find that list i'm sure it would be a simple matter to run the names of the victims against the names on the list (using search functions of course).

Rumble
April 19, 2007, 08:06 PM
Blinkin, according to CNN, one of the victims was in fact former military. He was one of the faculty members who was killed.

.cheese.
April 19, 2007, 08:20 PM
If you find information on this, please PM me. I would like to include it in my research paper.

After talking to the dean today, what was originally just a research paper, is now going to be my attempt to persuade the school to change their policies and honor CWP because they're private and not bound by state laws which are in place for public universities.

DixieTexian
April 19, 2007, 08:21 PM
I would try to look for everyone who was in the classrooms. While you probably wouldn't be able to pursue legal action if they didn't get hurt, it would still be nice for Washington to know if there was someone who would have been otherwise legally capable of stopping this tragedy.

yhtomit
April 19, 2007, 08:33 PM
DixieTexian wrote: "I would try to look for everyone who was in the classrooms. While you probably wouldn't be able to pursue legal action if they didn't get hurt, it would still be nice for Washington to know if there was someone who would have been otherwise legally capable of stopping this tragedy."

Yes -- my phrasing was off, and that's closer to what I meant. Not only those who were killed or wounded, but those who escaped unharmed after the shooting started, or were harmed less directly (jumping from windows, etc).

I know that the USA Today multi-story coverage today mentioned that one of the victims was a big outdoorsman; I don't think it said hunter, but I'll have to double-check.

timothy

zoom6zoom
April 19, 2007, 11:53 PM
Twenty of the fatalities were old enough to qualify for a Virginia permit.

ATW525
April 20, 2007, 12:03 AM
Corps of Cadets students might be a good place to start. There was one among the casualties, but he was only 20. I do recall hearing of another cadet who helped lead some students to safety in an office, though.

DixieTexian
April 20, 2007, 01:16 AM
Can't you open carry in Virginia without a permit? Then everyone who was a victim of some sort could sue ifthey were of age.

The_Shootist
April 20, 2007, 02:29 AM
We are not talking about just the victims. If you broaden your search to the BUILDING, the unscathed classes, I have to think there may be a possiblility of one in class that day.

If he wasn't carrying, I'd be willing to be bet he could sue for "unecessary trauma" or something. If one of the VICTIMS had a CHL, I'd bet they could sue the school into oblivion - and rightfully so.

Thain
April 20, 2007, 08:11 AM
I fully, fully, support this effort and will gladly send a check to any legal fund...

But, I'm highly doubtful the case will win. The Nanny State philosophy is pretty deeply entrenched.

shc1
April 20, 2007, 08:24 AM
Can't you open carry in Virginia without a permit? Then everyone who was a victim of some sort could sue ifthey were of age.

Yes open carry is legal here in VA.
VA Tech does not allow firearms however.
I guess the shooter didnít read that part. You have to remember our authorities donít want anyone to get hurt.:banghead:

stevemis
April 20, 2007, 11:32 AM
I would try to look for everyone who was in the classrooms. While you probably wouldn't be able to pursue legal action if they didn't get hurt, it would still be nice for Washington to know if there was someone who would have been otherwise legally capable of stopping this tragedy.

Anyone in one of the classrooms who survived should be entitled to bring suit. The survivors of this incident saw their friends and classmates slaughtered right before their own eyes and walked or ran through dozens of pools of blood (or a single gigantic pool) to safety. I can only imagine witnessing and surviving an event of this nature would have a profoundly negative effect on one's psyche.

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