Illinois Politicos want CCW!!!...


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Autolycus
April 20, 2007, 01:05 AM
For politicians and other government workers.

Link to article (http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=2280&type=top)

Illinois Considers "Right To Carry" For Some
BY: Lindsey Mastis

WSIL-TV -- Illinois lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow judges, prosecutors and public defenders to carry concealed weapons.
The courthouse is full of records, county business, and felons. State legislators understand some criminals may try to hurt state's attorneys, judges and even public defenders. That's why Representative Mike Bost, along with John Bradley and Brandon Phelps, sponsored a bill to allow these officers of the court to carry.

"The argument is they deal with the people who have already been charged with these crimes," Bost said. "They've proven they don't really care about the law anyway."

Bost says House Bill 1320 would give the right to carry to certain court officials after they are trained, tested, and get a background check.

"It's my opinion that every law abiding citizen who has the proper training should be allowed to carry a weapon for protection," says Williamson County State's Attorney Chuck Garnati. Garnati says he's been threatened before. "It sometimes includes my family."

Carrying would be voluntary. Garnati was asked what he would do, if the bill is passed in the future. "I might consider it, but I don't know."

He says he's never owned a gun, and would have to put more thought into it. Bost says those opposing the bill are afraid it would be one step closer to a complete state-wide concealed weapons law. That's something else Bost says he wouldn't oppose.

A majority of the Illinois house voted for the concealed weapons bill this week. but it fell nine votes shy of the super-majority needed. The bill is expected to be brought up again.

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Autolycus
April 20, 2007, 01:06 AM
I am so angry. There was a bill that would have made Illinois shall issue but it did not come out of committee. This had better not pass! I am tired of creating special classes of people who are eligible to exercise their rights without fear of government reprisal.

Glockfan.45
April 20, 2007, 01:10 AM
Unless the rest of us are allowed to carry I hope this proposal continues to be voted down. I dont suppport the elitist spirit behind it. A judges life, or the life of any other court employee is no more important than my own. I would rather have CCW for none than NYC style carry.

CanonNinja
April 20, 2007, 01:11 AM
courthouse full of felons that might want to hurt court workers eh?



Then what in the blue fudge is OUTSIDE the courthouses?!



I live in Texas, and this makes me mad! :mad:

Autolycus
April 20, 2007, 01:29 AM
Elitism is a daily occurance here in Illinois. They tried to pass something like this before but I believe it was shot down. I wonder if the recent shooting at VT will change that?

Even though it has nothing to do with judges and other courtroom officials it might make them think twice.

DWARREN123
April 20, 2007, 05:04 AM
It could be the start of something better, hopefully.

Mannix
April 20, 2007, 05:14 AM
The elitist spirit behind it really rubs me the wrong way. The only good I see in it is if it leads to CCW for all, but I hope it gets shot down again.

Soybomb
April 20, 2007, 05:31 AM
I do believe Rep. Bost was one of those people that got the special hunting permits too. That said Bost is really one of ours as you know. Bost has been a sponsor for concealed carry bills before, I really don't think its elitism as much as trying to take a step in the right direction. That said I'm not sure what I think of it. On one hand the more people we have carrying in illinois the better. The more nervous I make my political enemies the better even if it means taking small steps instead of one giant step. I also recognize the need to draw the line in the sand at some point and say "if you want this right, you need to push for it to apply equally to everyone."

Autolycus
April 20, 2007, 05:32 AM
I do believe Rep. Bost was one of those people that got the special hunting permits too. That said Bost is really one of ours as you know. Bost has been a sponsor for concealed carry bills before, I really don't think its elitism as much as trying to take a step in the right direction. That said I'm not sure what I think of it. On one hand the more people we have carrying in illinois the better. The more nervous I make my political enemies the better even if it means taking small steps instead of one giant step. I also recognize the need to draw the line in the sand at some point and say "if you want this right, you need to push for it to apply equally to everyone."
Well we could draw the line right here and now.

Soybomb
April 20, 2007, 05:36 AM
Well we could draw the line right here and now.
We certainly could, but if it helps get our foot further in the door by making concealed carry more accepted in Illinois it wouldn't be in our best interest to do so, even if we'd feel really good about it. Or are we heading down the road where the police, politicians, and judicial workers will all be armed at which point that will be deemed ideal and the plebes shall remain unarmed? I have no idea. It'd be interesting to call or write bost's office and get more information his position.

Autolycus
April 20, 2007, 05:38 AM
Gun Bill Fails in Illinois House
(WGN) - A measure to allow judges and prosecutors to carry guns has failed in the Illinois House, even though a majority of lawmakers voted for it.

The vote was 62-to-51, but majority Democrats ruled the proposal needed 71 votes because it would overrule local gun-control laws. That prompted Springfield Republican Bill Black to question why Chicago Aldermen are allowed to carry guns.

"How is it that if this takes three-fifth vote...how is it that by state law Chicago Aldermen are peace officers and get to carry a concealed weapon," Black said on the floor of the Illinois House.

Critics of the measure, such as Chicago Democrat John Fritchy, said the bill would open the door to concealed-carry in Ilinois. Link to Article (http://wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32201&Itemid=1)

Autolycus
April 20, 2007, 05:40 AM
We need to talk to Mr. Bill Black about running for senator.

While I dont see it as opening the door up to CCW anymore than LEOSA did I would like to piss off the Chicago politicians.

However I cant support a law that grants priveledges (because its not a right until anyone can do it) to certain people while those same punish others for doing the same thing as them.

romma
April 20, 2007, 09:41 AM
Every day type people, not just gun owners need to rise up against this one. How dare goverment politicos act above the people they are supposed to be serving!

eric.cartman
April 20, 2007, 10:01 AM
Illinois Considers "Right To Carry" For Some

Must I say more? :barf:

strat81
April 20, 2007, 11:43 AM
Shouldn't the headline read: "My life is worth protecting but yours isn't."

Rev. DeadCorpse
April 20, 2007, 11:54 AM
All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others. Orwell was right...

:fire:

Sage of Seattle
April 20, 2007, 12:00 PM
State legislators understand some criminals may try to hurt state's attorneys, judges and even public defenders. That's why Representative Mike Bost, along with John Bradley and Brandon Phelps, sponsored a bill to allow these officers of the court to carry.

"The argument is they deal with the people who have already been charged with these crimes," Bost said. "They've proven they don't really care about the law anyway."

This last line actually stunned me. Being charged with a crime automatically equates to PROVEN FACT that they "don't really care about the law."

I think my gut went a little numb from all the vomiting I just did...

sturmruger
April 20, 2007, 12:32 PM
I think any step towards CCW should be looked upon as a good thing. While this is less then ideal there is something to be said for taking baby steps towards our goal.

SamTuckerMTNMAN
April 20, 2007, 12:52 PM
didnt you know, you are not one of the 'beautiful' people

MD_Willington
April 20, 2007, 12:59 PM
hmmm, what's that old dusty novel I read in school...

Oh yeah now I remember..

"Animal Farm"...

xd9fan
April 20, 2007, 02:22 PM
I am so angry. There was a bill that would have made Illinois shall issue but it did not come out of committee. This had better not pass! I am tired of creating special classes of people who are eligible to exercise their rights without fear of government reprisal.

Both parties at the national level do this all the time. LEO's got a national carry law before we the people. Its a$$ backwards.

maxsnafu
April 20, 2007, 09:43 PM
Judges, prosecutors and public defenders should be unarmed. Maybe
they would think twice about the creeps they're putting back on the
streets.

obxned
April 20, 2007, 10:38 PM
Courthouse full of felons that might want to hurt court workers , and full of cops and baliffs.

Out in the real world, cops are scarce, and there are a hell of a lot of felons that might want to hurt people, and will probably hurt many people, before they ever end up in court.

22LongRifle
April 20, 2007, 10:40 PM
I understand others in a CCW state think of it as "elitism", and in a way it is, but its a baby step (really a HUGE step) for IL. A small crack in the dike can lead to a broken down dam.

Plus Chuck and other downstate Dems nailed it!

Jerry

Turkey Creek
April 20, 2007, 10:41 PM
This from The People's Republic?- I'm shocked! :neener:

BucksDC
April 20, 2007, 10:43 PM
The very thought of Illinois Politicos arming themselves while disarming the citizens makes my stomach churn. Disgusting pieces of trash.
Il. citizens have to hear about this. My wife's family all live in Chicago. They all live in what I think is a state of ignorant bliss. I try to never go there, even though I enjoy her family. But, for my sons sake I am making a trip for a dying family member. I always feel like I'm behind enemy lines.:banghead:

Autolycus
April 21, 2007, 01:29 AM
Well what if you lived in Illinois? And say you had an ex-girlfriends new boyfriend threaten you. And he is a criminal and a gangmember.

You find your tires smashed and your tires slashed. Or you get a brick thrown through your front window and threatening letters in your mailbox. So you go down to the police station and get a restraining order. And you find that innefective after her new boyfriend assaults you with a bat and the police are unable to prove that he did it because your the only witness.

So you go and buy yourself a gun and holster. And you start carrying it around because he could assault you again. Better to be have a gun and not need it than need it and not have it, right?

So you get pulled over and the officer finds the gun. He arrests you for a UUW (Unlawful Use of a Weapon) which is a felony here in Illinois. It means no more guns or voting for you. I believe it is punishable by a few years in prison.

Then you go to court and the prosecutors ask why you had the gun? So you tell them that you carried it to protect yourself from a dangerous criminal who has made threats against you, assaulted you, and put you in fear of your life.

Well they cant let you go because that would mean they lost a case and would not look good so they lock you up for a few years.

In the meanwhile they continue to carry their guns legally because dangerous criminals have assualted them, threatened them, and made them fear for their lives.

But its a step in the right direction right?

22LongRifle
April 21, 2007, 09:33 AM
A bill that will allow anyone other than LEOs to carry is a step forward! Is it a perfect situation, no.

And with your posting, just carry your weapon "off body". All you have to say is that you "found" the briefcase or shoudler bag (male purse!) and was bringing it to the PD anyways. Having a holster on you when not too smart when you are carrying without the blessing of the state.

Sorry if things don't move in leaps and bounds, that only happens in the movies. And don't be surprised if certain counties still ban the weapons except for carrying to and from work.

Jerry

Chad
April 21, 2007, 09:46 AM
Little steps can be a good thing, but only if they are in the right direction.

This is a little step towards elitism and tyranny. It is totally unacceptable and disgusting.

wdlsguy
April 21, 2007, 10:35 AM
Allowing judges, prosecutors and public defenders to carry is pure elitism. The citizens of Illinois need to make it a package deal (you get to carry when we get to carry).

lysander
April 22, 2007, 06:13 PM
Yep..it is elitism through and through...but it would also serve as a great wedge for citizens to make some kind of "equal protection" argument. The folks who voted it down are smart enough to know that.

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