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glockman19
April 20, 2007, 02:34 PM
I hope that this will become a place where California Residents can get together to discuss events and strategy that affect Californians and can effect positive change.

Please post Events and strategy that will help us all:
1) Sheriff's and other elected officials up for re-election who are Pro RKBA and CCW.
2) Strategies to reduce stringent laws against AR's.
3) Strategies that will allow ALL GUNS to be bought and sold in the state eliminating the DOJ approved list.
4) Businesses and other commercial entities with anti policies.


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sfc123
April 20, 2007, 03:02 PM
I posted something about an ammo bill that is trying to get passed in California right now that would require backgroundn checks on ammo and no internet sales to residents. I put it in the politics section but it can be found at nra.org.

glockman19
April 20, 2007, 03:09 PM
Would that be the De Leon bill AB 362?

AB 362, as introduced, De Leon. Ammunition.
Existing law generally regulates the sale of ammunition.
This bill would require that commencing July 1, 2008, unless
specifically excluded, no person shall sell or transfer more than 50
rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless they are registered
as a handgun ammunition vendor, as defined. The bill would also
require these vendors to obtain a background clearance for those
employees who would handle ammunition in the course and scope of
their employment. The bill would require the Department of Justice to
maintain a registry of registered handgun ammunition vendors, as
specified. Violation of these provisions, as specified, would be a
misdemeanor.
The bill would also provide that no retail seller of ammunition
shall sell, offer for sale, or display for sale, any handgun
ammunition in a manner that allows that ammunition to be accessible
to a purchaser without the assistance of the retailer or employee
thereof. Violation of these provisions would be punishable as an
infraction with a fine of $500, or as a misdemeanor.
The bill would further provide that no ammunition or reloaded
ammunition may be delivered by a common or contract carrier pursuant
to a retail transaction unless certain conditions exist. A violation
of these provisions would be punishable as a misdemeanor, with
enhancements for prior violations.
By creating new crimes, this bill would impose a state-mandated
local program.
Existing law provides that it is a crime to sell ammunition to a
minor, or to sell handgun ammunition to a person who is under 21
years of age.
This bill would provide that any person under 21 years of age who
purchases, or who attempts to purchase, handgun ammunition by using a
false identification document, or by otherwise misrepresenting the
person's age, and any minor who purchases, or attempts to purchase,
any ammunition by using a false identification document, or otherwise
misrepresenting the person's age, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated
local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
act for a specified reason.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes.
State-mandated local program: yes. "

glockman19
April 20, 2007, 03:13 PM
Assembyman Mike Feuer has also proposed microstamping AB 1471

glockman19
April 20, 2007, 06:05 PM
Update on Pending Legislation in California!
Please Contact Your State Legislators Today!

Several pieces of legislation that will impact our Right to Keep and Bear Arms in California are due to be heard in the Assembly Public Safety Committee any day.

Assembly Bill 1471, sponsored by Assembly Member Mike Feuer (D-42), would require that after a certain date, the make, model, and serial number be microstamped onto the interior surface or internal working parts of all handguns in such a manner that those identifiers are imprinted onto the cartridge case upon firing. Per AB1471, handguns that do not include their identifying information would be defined as “unsafe,” and their manufacture, sale, and transfer would be a crime.

In addition, the Assembly Public Safety Committee will also consider several pro-gun bills as well:

Assembly Bill 1105, sponsored by Assembly Member Martin Garrick (R-74), would require the Department of Justice to complete a study identifying what actions would be required to reduce the waiting period for firearms transfers in California.

Assembly Bill 1218, introduced by Assembly Member Michael Duvall (R-72), would allow licensed firearms dealers to sell used handguns that are no longer produced by the manufacturer and available for testing and evaluation by the California Department of Justice.

Assembly Bill 1357, sponsored by Assembly Member Nicole Parra (D-30), would restore the exemption for the use of a Hunter Safety Certificate instead of a Handgun Safety Certificate when transferring the possession of handguns.

Assembly Bill 854, authored by Assembly Member Rick Keene (R-3), would repeal a California law that restricts the publication of information about firearms that are not permissible for sale in California.

In the Assembly Appropriations Committee, Assembly Bill 362, sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin de Leon (D-45) is due to be heard any day. AB362 would require identification be presented for all mail order and face-to-face ammunition sales. Sellers of ammunition would be forced to keep detailed and accurate sales records. No retail seller of ammunition would be able to sell, offer for sale, or display for sale, any ammunition in a manner that allows that ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without the assistance of the retailer or authorized employee. Federal laws requiring ammunition purchasers to present I.D. was repealed by the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 because they were found to be ineffective in reducing crime.

Please contact the members of the Assembly Public Safety Committee at (916) 319-3744 and respectfully urge them to oppose AB1471 and to support AB1105, AB1218, AB1357, and AB854. Also, please contact the Assembly Appropriations Committee and ask them to oppose AB362. The Appropriations Committee can be reached by calling (916) 319-2081.

To find further contact information or help identifying your legislators
please use the ";Write Your Representative" feature found at www.NRAILA.org.

CountGlockula
April 20, 2007, 06:07 PM
Check out my signature: CCW in CA.

darkknight
April 24, 2007, 11:16 AM
CountGlockula, California is listed as a shall issue state, but the fact is liberal politicians in these positions to give CCW reject most of applications from regular people. The ones who get em are A) finacial supporters or B) close friends. In San Francisco thier is only one CCW held by a non cop and Barbra Boxer has it.

sfc123
April 24, 2007, 11:22 AM
This is the bill I was talking about:

SACRAMENTO — California would become the first state in the nation to require instant background checks on handgun bullet buyers under an anti-gang bill that cleared its first, key hurdle Tuesday.
The Assembly's Public Safety Committee approved AB362, sponsored by Los Angeles officials and backed by Bay Area authorities concerned about California's increasing gun violence.

"It's unbelievable it's harder to buy a can of spray paint than bullets, and that a gang-banger can walk into a sporting goods store and walk out with a crate of ammunition, no questions asked," Assemblyman Kevin de Leon, the Los Angeles Democrat who authored the bill, told committee members.

"It's time to put an end to this Wild West mentality."

The bill is supported by numerous gun-control advocates and opposed by an array of organizations such as the California Rifle and Pistol Association.

The association said in a statement the measure "appears to be more a matter of harassment of lawful businesses and their customers than anything else."

Supporters acknowledged a hitch in the bill — implementation of instant background checks would take time.

The state Justice Department would work on setting up the system by 2011. It would be expensive, but the total cost remains unknown.

But in the meantime, under the proposal, starting next year all handgun ammunition buyers would have to provide identification to sellers, who would pass the information to the state.
The Justice Department, in turn, would run background checks — which are in great demand since the beginning of the war on terror — and notify local law enforcement agencies if a felon or underage person had purchased bullets.

The bill also would require:

-Handgun ammunition vendors to be licensed with the Justice Department.

-Sellers and employees to undergo background checks.

-Ammunition to be stored behind counters by stores to hinder theft.

AB362 also would ban all Internet purchases of handgun ammunition in California, so that sales must be through personal encounters with clerks who can verify the age of the buyer.

Violations of the bill's provisions would be a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a jail for up to six months, by a fine of up to $1,000, or both.

The Justice Department reports gun violence has increased in California more than 34 percent between 1999 and 2005.

The bill now heads to the Assembly Appropriations Committee and is expected to be heard next month.

darkknight
April 24, 2007, 11:45 AM
Understand we need to protect the rights of all gun owners in Ca. Its important if we do not say no to more legislations we will soon be banned to only owning single shot weapons and highly overpriced ammo. The new ammo bill is going to add $25 to every ammo transaction. Is forcing us to pay dros fees for ammo basically, I cannot afford this, can you? This bill will also kill gun shops, its economically unsound and consumers will not pay these high rates, they will go elsewhere to get ammo killing small gunstores. This legislation will have no affect on criminals but rather on you and me and every other legal gun owner in the state. write your congressmen and tell them no this is unacceptable stand for your rights now before they are taken away look at San Francisco they banned all guns for a time the NRA stood up for us but what will they try next. Will they next try to stop next semi automatic handguns because criminals use them or just the evil Glock and all polymer framed handguns cause thier evil looking and every rapper talks about them and says he uses them for his crimes. Gun laws dont work they affect good law abiding citizens and do nothing to deter criminals. Next time the freshmen congressmen who created this bill comes up for re-election strike him down from his office and elect somebody who is with us and understands are plight. That goes for everyone vote for those who are gun friendly this is what we need.

darkknight
April 24, 2007, 11:50 AM
Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals, California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts: ammunition.

Guns don't kill, bullets do, argues Assemblyman Kevin de León, a Los Angeles Democrat who is pushing the idea.

"I think it will lead to fewer deaths," he said of regulating handgun ammunition. "But I don't believe it's an end-all or a panacea."

The freshman legislator said his bill is particularly timely, given the rampage at Virginia Tech that left 33 people dead.

De León has proposed Assembly Bill 362 as a step toward making California the first state to conduct instant background checks on buyers of handgun bullets.

Among its provisions, the bill would require that personal information be collected from buyers of handgun ammunition, that such transactions be conducted face-to-face, not by mail, and that retailers store their handgun ammunition behind counters.

Critics claim that tighter regulation of bullet sales would create more hassles and higher costs for gun enthusiasts, but not necessarily cut crime.

"I don't consider criminals dumb," said Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California. "They figure out ways to get around whatever is thrown at them."

"You'd have a lot of guys going to Nevada and bringing back a ton of bullets," said Wes Lewis of Guns N Stuff in North Highlands.

State law currently requires buyers of handgun ammunition to be 21 or older. But it does little to ensure compliance or to prevent sales to felons or individuals with a history of mental instability who can't own guns legally but might acquire them from friends or on the black market.

"Believe it or not, you can actually walk into a store today and buy a box of cartridges much easier than a can of spray paint," de León told the Assembly Public Safety Committee last week.

Under AB 362, retailers would have to collect and file with the state Department of Justice the names, addresses, birth dates, signatures, thumbprints and driver's licenses or identification numbers of all buyers of handgun ammunition, as well as a description of the bullets purchased.

Personal information would not be required for rifle and shotgun ammunition, nor for .22 caliber rounds, which can be used both in handguns and rifles.

AB 362, effective in July 2008, also would require anyone selling more than one 50-round box of handgun bullets per month be licensed and registered as an ammunition dealer.

The bill states legislative intent to launch a system for conducting instant background checks of handgun-bullet buyers by July 2011. The attorney general would be required to prepare a report on costs and feasibility.

Separate legislation by Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, would require new semiautomatic firearms to be equipped with a system for micro-stamping the make, model and serial number of the weapon on each bullet fired.

The ultimate goal, if both bills are signed into law, is to make it easier for police to link bullets found at crime scenes with a specific handgun, a specific box of ammunition, and a database comprehensive enough to show who bought each.

Costs of launching such a system, or fee increases needed to bankroll it, are not yet known. Proponents say AB 362 conceivably could hike the cost of ammunition by $25 per transaction.

De León's legislation was sparked, in part, by the death of a 9-year-old girl, Charupha Wongwisetsiri, who was struck in her Los Angeles home by a stray bullet from gang gunfire in December.

Handguns were used in more than half of the homicides committed statewide in 2005 -- 1,547 of 2,503 deaths, according to the state Department of Justice.

De León's measure, AB 362, passed the Assembly Public Safety Committee last week on a party-line vote, 5-2, with Democrats supporting it and Republicans opposed.

"This is just a slippery slope that undermines our (constitutional) rights" to bear arms, said Assemblyman Joel Anderson, R-Alpine.

Rather than creating new gun-control laws, California should better enforce ones it has -- including the ban on felons owning firearms, he said.

"This is silly," Anderson said of AB 362.

Assemblyman Greg Aghazarian, R-Stockton, said the bill would needlessly "throw up yet another obstacle for honest mom-and-pop businesses."

Other critics of AB 362 said some of its requirements are impractical and expensive.

By requiring that ammunition be kept behind a store counter, for example, critics say that buyers could not easily compare brands and that sellers would need to have an employee constantly at the ready to retrieve box after box.

"It would take a two-minute transaction out to 10 minutes," said Lewis, of Guns N Stuff.

At Cordova Shooting Center in Rancho Cordova, Derek Sullivan, 20, of San Diego called AB 362 "ridiculous.

"Gun laws are already too strict as it is," he said.

Derek's father, Mike Sullivan, 56, of Granite Bay, said the bill sounds reasonable but could infringe on privacy and lead to more unnecessary bureaucracy.

"I think it's a bad idea," said customer David Breidenbach, 53, of Indianapolis. "It would take too much police time to enforce."

Paredes, of Gun Owners of California, said felons and gang members could sidestep AB 362 simply by having an acquaintance buy bullets for them.

Supporters of AB 362 claim that documenting the names of handgun enthusiasts is nothing new -- gun buyers are already checked.

In Los Angeles, which requires sellers to record the identity of bullet buyers, more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition were bought in April and May 2004 by 52 felons or others who are prohibited from such transactions by state law, according to a Rand Corp. study.

Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, said he supports AB 362 in hopes that it would close such loopholes.

"I'd rather err on the side of caution," he said.

darkknight
April 24, 2007, 01:41 PM
Hi Nick,
Thank you for your email regarding AB 362.

There are 2 members of legislature who authored this AB 362. They are:

Kevin de León
http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a45/bio.aspx

Capitol Office:
State Capitol
P.O. Box 942849
Sacramento, CA 94249-0045
Tel: (916) 319-2045
Fax: (916) 319-2145
District Office:
106 North Avenue 56
Los Angeles, CA 90042
Tel: (323) 258-0450
Fax: (323) 258-3807

And


Jack Scott
http://dist21.casen.govoffice.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={DC083E33-EAB0-412D-8BF1-0859711463B4}

Capitol Office

State Capitol, Room 2082
Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone: (916) 651-4021
Fax: (916) 324-7543

District Office
215 N. Marengo Avenue, Ste. 185
Pasadena, CA 91101

Phone: (626) 683-0282/(818) 558-7940
Fax: (626) 793-5803

Do you have friends who reside in Los Angeles and Pasadena? The most effective way to attack this bill is to visit their district offices.

Thanks...


Ref:
http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset2text.htm



So gentlemen you know what to do swamp them with letters and emails. And give them a visit if you want.

Scanr
April 24, 2007, 02:19 PM
um.... How about we build a wall around the state, let out every gun owner who wants to leave and then watch the state implode. :D

j/k good luck to you all.

glockman19
April 26, 2007, 12:00 AM
CALNRA: Updated CA Bill Status, 4/25/2007

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NRA Members' Councils of California

CALNRA: Updated CA Bill Status, 4/25/2007
2:00 PM, 04/25/2007

New information has been posted at http://calnra.com/legs.shtml for the following bills:

AB 334 LOSS/THEFT REPORTING - AB 334 passed out of the Assembly Appropriations Committee and now goes to the Assembly Floor. Please contact the Assembly members and urge a NO vote on AB 334.

AB 362 AMMO SALES RECORDS - AB 362 was not heard on April 25, 2007. Please continue to contact the committee members and urge a NO vote on AB 362.

AB 815 HUNTING PROTECTION - AB 815 was not heard on April 24, 2007. Please continue to contact the Assembly Water, Parks & Wildlife Committee members and urge a YES vote on AB 815.

AB 821 LEAD AMMO BAN - AB 821 passed out of the Assembly Appropriations Committee and now goes to the Assembly Floor. Please contact the Assembly members and urge a NO vote on AB 821.

AB 854 PUBLICATIONS - AB 854 passed unanimously out of the Assembly Public Safety Committee and now goes to the Assembly Floor. Please contact the Assembly members and urge a YES vote on AB 854.

AB 912 MENTORED HUNTING - AB 912 was not heard on April 24, 2007. Please continue to contact the Assembly Water, Parks & Wildlife Committee members and urge a YES vote on AB 912.

AB 1218 USED HANDGUN SALES - AB 1218 has been heldover by the Assembly Public Safety Committee. Standby for notice when additional action is required.

AB 1357 HSC EXEMPTION RESTORATION - AB 1357 has been heldover by the Assembly Public Safety Committee. Standby for notice when additional action is required.

AB 1471 MICROSTAMPING - AB 1471 passed out of the Assembly Appropriations Committee and now goes to the Assembly Floor. Please contact the Assembly members and urge a NO vote on AB 1471.

ONE-CLICK service has been established for these issues at:
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml#oneclick

Mike Haas
http://calnra.com/ webmaster

Steak
April 26, 2007, 02:50 AM
"Believe it or not, you can actually walk into a store today and buy a box of cartridges much easier than a can of spray paint," de León told the Assembly Public Safety Committee last week.

This is actually true. In hardware stores, the spray paint is kept in locked cabinets, and you need the help of a salesman to grab a can.

Of course, these 'spray paint laws' have worked wonders. Everyone knows there is no more Graffiti in Los Angeles.

Oohrah
April 26, 2007, 02:58 AM
Are these Mexican laws for **********? Sorry my Brothers, you
need to vote out these antis and bring back B1 Bob and types.

darkknight
May 17, 2007, 03:28 AM
anything new happening in california.

BernardW
June 8, 2007, 08:00 PM
Check out this link to see how to make you views on this legislation really count:

http://www.capconcal.com/Power.aspx?Measure=A.B.%20No.%20362&Topic="Ammunition."

glockman19
June 8, 2007, 11:49 PM
UPDATE:

362 was passed off the Assembly floor today by 1 vote (41-31). AB 362 now goes to the Senate -

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