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Rachen
April 21, 2007, 03:47 PM
For those on the front-line battling the anti-gunners and their putrid claims, here is a great example of what "gun control" means to stopping violent crime.

Remember Andrew Kehoe, who carried out the most deadliest school killing spree in US history. What caliber weapon did he use?

The weapon he used was not measured by calibers, it was measured by pounds and fired with a match and fuse.

Psychos like the VT killer used guns only for convenience, if they had no access to them, they would use something much more potent, perhaps more dreadful too: In 1944, 50 percent of Chungking, China's population perished because of an outbreak of pneumonic plague spread by Japanese warplanes.
Just recently, a generic version of a smallpox virus was invented, from scratch DNA. Most psychopathic killers are also very clever and smart. Science mixed with killing intention would unleash the ultimate nightmare.

It's not about stopping weapons or tools, it's about stopping the criminal. Before 1970, there were almost no massacres such as Columbine because of the fact that many mental health institutions were still open and enough funds to keep them running.

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ConfuseUs
April 22, 2007, 11:06 AM
Before 1970, there were almost no massacres such as Columbine because of the fact that many mental health institutions were still open and enough funds to keep them running.


There are mechanisms in place to stop the criminal and they don't work. We saw that this week since Cho slipped through the cracks of a system intended to stop him. But I agree that if he hadn't gotten his guns that he could have found other means for his rampage.

Brian Williams
April 22, 2007, 11:15 AM
It is more than just not enough Institutions, it is also the fact that Justice is not swift and sure meting out punishments that are both severe enough and final.
Our Legal system also has it's faults working with too much emotionialism and sensationalism.

Art Eatman
April 22, 2007, 12:17 PM
What those who favor more gun control laws don't seem to understand is that although we've added layer upon layer of ever-stricter controls, the rate of violent behavior has increased. Certainly, ever-younger people, even children, are far more willing to be violent, to kill, than in past decades.

Art

longeyes
April 22, 2007, 02:00 PM
Quite so, and we, as a culture, seem to be afraid or unwilling to examine what is happening to us. The guns didn't change; we did.

Rachen
April 22, 2007, 03:23 PM
You can buy a gun at a gas station, they are everywhere almost everybody had at least one, yet there were no massacres and if there is a murder, the police officer and his buddy, the Sherlock Holmes guy with the derby hat can easily solve and bring the perp to justice.

What's going on now? Gun control, teenagers killing their parents because they won't give them money for an Ipod, people going on killing sprees, advertisements for boner pills and powders that would make some part of your body nice and stiff, and then some article written by a guy who would not defend himself, even if a killer is on a rampage right next to him, for more info, go to the top of this thread.

I think it is the chemicals from all these plastic things and polymer and benzene, they are acting like some kind of zombie virus that slowly turns young healthy smiling children into sexual predators and mass murderers.

Seriously, political correctness has to stop.

Axman
April 22, 2007, 04:33 PM
...and a guy named Jim Jones somehow convinced 900+ people to drink poison!!!

Cesiumsponge
April 22, 2007, 04:53 PM
All the laws in the world don't help when those that enforce them fail to apply them at multiple levels. Cho looks like one of those that managed to skirt past multiple levels of legislation that would prevent him from otherwise obtaining a firearm.

I would be willing to bet other people out there have also slipped through our laws because of failure to enforce them properly and communicate between various channels.

armoredman
April 22, 2007, 05:31 PM
Add in the mentality of "let's medicate!" from any health care professional, when confronted with any hint of a "mental disorder". How many school shooters were on Ritalin, or some other psychobabble garbage? How many school shootings were there before Ritalin?
And let's not forget the definitions of "mental disorder", now that I heard one medical source saying drinking coffee is a sign of mental illness.

daysleeprx
April 22, 2007, 05:36 PM
Add in the mentality of "let's medicate!" from any health care professional, when confronted with any hint of a "mental disorder". How many school shooters were on Ritalin, or some other psychobabble garbage? How many school shootings were there before Ritalin?

So how many? Do you have numbers? And definitive proof that being on psych meds predisposes you to being violent? Isn't it more the mental condition itself, rather than the treatment for it, that ultimately leads to the violent act?

I'm sorry, but you're basically condemning anyone who is being treated for a psychiatric illness and I think that's a gross generalization.

Diamondback
April 23, 2007, 03:02 AM
"Intent" is the operative word. If one is intent on committing an atrocity they will always find the means. As I recall, nearly a million Rwandans were slaughters within the span of three months....primarily with hand held farm implements and machetes. Gun violence is but a symptom of a disease....the disease is mental illness, an absence of a strong moral character, and hatred and prejudice.

We do not abort the individual right to free speech because someone yells "fire" in a crowded theater when none exists......nor should we limit the 2nd Amend. rights of the law abiding, when a single individual, boiling with rage, goes on a murderous shooting spree.
But then...I am preaching to the choir !

- regards

Autolycus
April 23, 2007, 03:08 AM
Armoredman: Do you know what ritalin is? Do you have any statistics that show that those who are on ritalin or other drugs are more dangerous? Or is this a generaliztation? Because there are thousands of kids on different drugs and millions of people on psychiatric drugs who are not committing violent crime? Is this some sort of war cry about how before people were "medicated" times were so much better and kids were not crazy?

Orginally posted by Rachen:
Just recently, a generic version of a smallpox virus was invented, from scratch DNA. Most psychopathic killers are also very clever and smart. Science mixed with killing intention would unleash the ultimate nightmare.


Do you have any links to this claim about smallpox being manufactured in a home made lab? Please post them.

wacki
April 23, 2007, 09:44 AM
wow

91% vs 9.2%

way to go!!!!!!!
Total number of votes: 651

pcosmar
April 23, 2007, 09:58 AM
Tecumseh
Armoredman: Do you know what ritalin is? Do you have any statistics that show that those who are on ritalin or other drugs are more dangerous? Or is this a generaliztation? Because there are thousands of kids on different drugs and millions of people on psychiatric drugs who are not committing violent crime? Is this some sort of war cry about how before people were "medicated" times were so much better and kids were not crazy?

I do not have statistics, However I have see a documentary on this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3609599239524875493
Drugging our Children. It is a bit long 1hr,45min. but worth the time.
There are several known cases of violence and suicide associated with LEGAL Drug use.

wingman
April 23, 2007, 10:26 AM
Certainly, ever-younger people, even children, are far more willing to be violent, to kill, than in past decades.

Art nails it again, as a senior citizen myself who grew up in the 40's/50's
we hunted rabbits, squirrels alone at the age of nine, boys talked of their
shooting experience at school and guess what no one considered using
a gun against another person. Public schools, media and parents have
failed our youth. Instead of gun control we need studies to explain what
has went wrong in this society in terms of morals, standards, greed and
common sense. In a fast growing population we better change fast or
the end results will be far less freedom then we now have.

pcosmar
April 23, 2007, 10:33 AM
The video above would explain at least some of that.
Schools are pushing ritalin .

BBQJOE
April 23, 2007, 10:46 AM
What has caused the value of a human life to mean little?

Personally, I think Hollywood, TV, and the video gaming industry are suspect.

Pilgrim
April 23, 2007, 10:49 AM
I think the "time out" is an absolutely worthless method to get children to behave.

Pilgrim

Art Eatman
April 23, 2007, 12:24 PM
And in retrospect, this thread is more about social problems--about which there is general agreement, overall--and not much that is really part of THR's deal.

So, onward and upward to bigger and better things...

:), Art

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