Most Bizarre Anti-Gun Post I Ever Saw


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mike101
April 21, 2007, 05:45 PM
From the Huffingtonpost, earlier today.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/tom-delay-has-the-solutio_b_46426.html

"It is amazing to read that so many folks think that if there were armed students and/or teachers that they could have 'defended' the others quicker. Are we really saying that we think citizens should stand up and take out a weapon and defend other strangers from random violence? That's not what I would have wanted - even if it meant my death. I would be LIVID if someone other than a sanctioned law enforcement offical drew a gun next to me in that situation."
By: daddysboy on April 21, 2007 at 01:40pm
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I say, let's own this place, the way we own the Brady Blog. :evil:

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Art Eatman
April 21, 2007, 05:48 PM
Well, no, let's don't. We don't need website wars.

Posting some polite rebuttal to such ideas is fine...

Art

torpid
April 21, 2007, 05:49 PM
Sarcasm?

Evil Monkey
April 21, 2007, 05:54 PM
Don't worry about these types of idiots. One day, all hell will break loose, and they will simply "disappear".

Natural selection, overrides infection!:evil:

6_gunner
April 21, 2007, 05:55 PM
"Haven't DeLay and company ever watched Deadwood?"

Wow. Just wow. This is her argument. I really hope she's kidding, but I suspect she's not.

benelli12
April 21, 2007, 06:06 PM
I've found that in these kind of arguements, being aggressive and/or forcing your opinion never works. All that causes is a debate with emotions, and that never turns out to anything.

Like Art said, polite rebuttal, even though sometimes hard to do, always works best.

You cant change the mindset of some people. I have seen this in face 2 face debates, and despite trying my hardest to see their side, I cant. I have come to peace with this fact, it took a while though.

Its hard to change these kind of people and most of the time you cant, unless they are put in a situation like that, and they finally see the light. But you cant just throw people in a life and death situation.

Being polite is the way 2 go;)

Ratzinger_p38
April 21, 2007, 06:10 PM
I think he is trolling. Perhaps even a poster from THR? :D

Eagle103
April 21, 2007, 06:10 PM
Sarcasm?

That's charitable.

mike101
April 21, 2007, 06:37 PM
"Posting some polite rebuttal to such ideas is fine..."

Now, did I say anything about being impolite? I've been polite to them all day. Sometimes, even though a post is polite, it doesn't make it past their censors.

There are quite a few pro-gunners posting over there. No one on our side is being emotional or insulting. The same can't be said for them, I'm afraid. It's funny. They can hurl all kinds of profanity laced insults at us. But, if one of us so much as calls one of them an idiot, the post doesn't get posted. So, we have all been excersizing a great deal of restraint over there.

Example: One of them started pushing Wes Clark for President, because he is in favor of "sensible" gun laws. I posted his famous quote about "If people want assault rifles, they should join the Army." I posted it along with the well-known, and similar quote from Heinrich Himmler. I've tried twice, so far. No luck yet.

Do you really think this guy is a troll? That's what I thought at first, because it's so absurd. But, I don't think they think so. This wasn't the guy's only post, just his strangest.

El Tejon
April 21, 2007, 06:42 PM
Sarcasm? No, it is a manifestation of the Leftist ideal. Remember, above all, Government is God, i.e. it can do no wrong.

Max Weber, idealizing German authoritarian thought, believed that the State had a monopoly on violence. In the feudal Continental European model it did.

Weber and Marxism/Leninism merged (or grafted is a better term IMO) at the end of the 1920s. The dictatorship of the proletariat could only be achieved via a state monopoly on violence. An armed serf is a roadblock to True Socialism where the New Socialist Man could be molded by those in the black overalls/the Inner Party.

Government is God to the Left. They will die to defend their religion, but they would rather you die to serve their God.

In undergrad, I didn't play along.;)

mike101
April 21, 2007, 07:17 PM
Well, if that first post didn't get you, maybe this one will. This is the latest post as of 7:11 PM.

Jesus told his disciple to put away his sword. So if someone wants to support gun rights, fine: just don't say you're a Christian at the same time. That's my answer to the compassionate conservative crowd.
By: startrekchess on April 21, 2007 at 05:52pm
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So, I guess you guys don't think I should invite them over to play at our house, huh? :D

El Tejon
April 21, 2007, 07:19 PM
Did not Jesus say to buy swords too? Put them away, but have them. Works for me.

I'm not compassionate.:)

BayouTeche77
April 21, 2007, 07:19 PM
Ratzinger, is that a confession of sorts?! ;)

Sage of Seattle
April 21, 2007, 07:51 PM
I just copied and pasted the link in a new window and it said "page not found."

Just an FYI for y'all...

Guy B. Meredith
April 21, 2007, 08:17 PM
Well I would most gladly oblige this individual and save my ammunition for someone that counts.

Sistema1927
April 21, 2007, 08:26 PM
I suggest that we make people who think this wear signs that say:

Please do nothing to protect me. I am waiting for the Police

That way, we will know who to ignore when a crazed murderer enters the room.

tulsamal
April 21, 2007, 08:32 PM
There used to be a French guy who posted on one of the computer boards I frequent. We sometimes discussed all kinds of different things. And the French guy basically said the same thing to me. I had said something like, "I might be the guy who saves your life someday with my legal concealed handgun" and he honestly said, "I would rather be dead." He wasn't kidding either. If I saved him, he would have to admit there was a point to the private ownership and carrying of handguns. He would rather be dead than have his personal ideologue destroyed in such a way. And there is the whole strange sort of pacifist thing at work as well. Somehow it is morally superior to just allow yourself to be killed rather than "lowering yourself to the level of an animal" by killing another person.

I can _almost_ see that if the person is basically a Quaker. It really means something to them. There is some moral courage in that. But only if it is just you that is involved. No matter how seriously you "despise violence," could you really stand by and watch your wife and children brutalized and killed? I think there is some kind of line that even the most Walter Mitty type of person just can't cross.

Gregg

ElZorro
April 21, 2007, 08:53 PM
No, I didn't use the terms "tatooed" or "nappy headed".

If we put this in context, we should perhaps look at her credentials.

From her own Bio, we find; "Originally from Greece, she moved to England when she was 16 and graduated from Cambridge University with an M.A. in economics. At 21, she became president of the famed debating society, the Cambridge Union."

Well, well, a Greek educated at Cambridge, perhaps as liberal a place of learning as one could conjure, and then brags of her presidency of the Cambridge Union. Egad! And a Masters in economics. There's a background for leading the civilized world.

And one of her "renowned" writings is touted as; “The Gods of Greece,” (which) celebrates the power of myths as guides to forgotten dimensions of life and ourselves."

Yup, myths as guides. I was married to a "crystal freak", who took our kids out of school so she could attend the Moronic Conversion, ca. 1986-87--WITHOUT THE KIDS.

Add to the list of her accomplishments something called “Fanatics and Fools: The Game Plan for Winning Back America”, (which) offers a scathing portrait of our contemporary political landscape with a bold, inspiring and practical approach to restoring America to the promise envisioned by our greatest leaders."

"A bold, inspiring and practical approach to restoring America to the promise envisioned by our greatest leaders."

Wonder who she thinks our "greatest leaders" are/were. Bet she quotes that great thuthgiver Bill, "I did not have sex with that woman", Clinton.

Folks, I say we don't waste our time on this foolishness. The world is already filled with it and, as for me, I don't have the time or energy to have a duel of wits with an unarmed person.

ElZorro

DKSuddeth
April 21, 2007, 08:53 PM
"It is amazing to read that so many folks think that if there were armed students and/or teachers that they could have 'defended' the others quicker. Are we really saying that we think citizens should stand up and take out a weapon and defend other strangers from random violence? That's not what I would have wanted - even if it meant my death. I would be LIVID if someone other than a sanctioned law enforcement offical drew a gun next to me in that situation."
By: daddysboy on April 21, 2007 at 01:40pm

Sadly, there ARE actually people out there who think that very thing. On another general message board I frequent, gun control threads invariably end up with a few of them saying that they absolutely in no uncertain terms DO NOT WANT me or my vigilante friends protecting them if the SHTF. :barf:

Phaetos
April 21, 2007, 08:56 PM
By: daddysboy on April 21, 2007 at 01:40pm

Hmmm ... seems to fit his name, or maybe it should be changed to mommasboy :D

ATW525
April 21, 2007, 09:15 PM
I'll keep in mind that if I'm ever present and the scene of crazed gunman I should take a show of hands to see who wants to be saved so that I don't trample on anybody's rights to be murder victims. I honestly have no problems with letting anti-gunners die if that is their wish.

ConstitutionCowboy
April 21, 2007, 09:37 PM
Somebody is huffing tons of something over there!

Woody

To be liberal is to live in a cloud of delusion(smoke?) fraught with fantasy, and a disregard for the law and fair play. Alas; clear fact, unambiguous consensus, scrutiny, and researched reason does prevail and keeps me in touch with who is who, what is what, and explains why I am conservative. B.E.Wood

kcmarine
April 21, 2007, 09:40 PM
Hey, man, like dude, it was 4- 20 a couple of days ago.

"Whoa. I've got two hands, and they, can touch, anything, but, like, eachother. Whoa ho ho."

skinnyguy
April 21, 2007, 09:50 PM
I honestly wonder if these people would feel the same way if they ever seen the infamous "I'm the only one professional enough...." vid clip.

SigfanUSAF
April 21, 2007, 09:53 PM
Death Wish meets Animal House

I'd like to see that movie!

Jim K
April 21, 2007, 10:09 PM
Jesus told Peter to put away his sword, as it was inappropriate in that situation. He didn't tell him to surrender it to the Roman police or melt it down, or even say he should not carry it.

Jim

Lucky
April 21, 2007, 11:18 PM
And they sell funny T-shirts too! Lol a scruffy guy with a pipe and a shirt saying 'Vote Obama'. Lol

AlaskaErik
April 22, 2007, 12:00 AM
I read all the posts and the insanity of the left never ceases to amaze me.

Prince Yamato
April 22, 2007, 01:34 AM
"Haven't DeLay and company ever watched Deadwood?"

No, which is why he doesn't use the F-word in every sentence.

gunsmith
April 22, 2007, 07:35 AM
I find those questions hysterical, I was watching the SF version of C Span
and a Taxi Driver was begging for his license back which had been revoked due to illegal ccw, the council member asked him if he had ever watched Bowling For Columbine:barf:

When ever they ask me that I as them if they ever heard of his inspiration, Leni Riefenstahl

ProficientRifleman
April 22, 2007, 07:41 AM
Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

adobewalls
April 22, 2007, 07:48 AM
This explained a good bit to me about that mindset, especially the discussion about learning all you needed to know in kindergarten. Its a bit long, but entertaining:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

ConfuseUs
April 22, 2007, 07:48 AM
It is amazing to read that so many folks think that if there were armed students and/or teachers that they could have 'defended' the others quicker. Are we really saying that we think citizens should stand up and take out a weapon and defend other strangers from random violence? That's not what I would have wanted - even if it meant my death. I would be LIVID if someone other than a sanctioned law enforcement offical drew a gun next to me in that situation."


I bet if in actual fact someone who isn't a cop drew a weapon and saved that guy's life he'd actually be ever so grateful. Just like there's keyboard commandoes on the gunboards there's probably a lot of keyboard pacifists on the Huffington post board.

ATW525
April 22, 2007, 08:12 AM
I bet if in actual fact someone who isn't a cop drew a weapon and saved that guy's life he'd actually be ever so grateful. Just like there's keyboard commandoes on the gunboards there's probably a lot of keyboard pacifists on the Huffington post board.

+1

I've seen it first hand. It's easy to say, "I'd rather die than...," when your life isn't on the line.

mike101
April 22, 2007, 10:04 AM
Like I said, there are a fair number of pro-gun posts over there. There are a few more today.

The thing is, everything that Helmke and his ilk post on the Brady Blog, is simul-posted on Huffingglue. But, we don't dominate, like we do on Brady. I'd like us to dominate. Lot's of people read this garbage.

I'm also getting tired of being called a "knuckle dragging, redneck as**ole" over there. Yeah, they really say things like that, usually right before they start questioning our manhood. Funny, because I'm usually pretty liberal.

Oddly, they say "no personal attacks", in their blog rules. That means no personal attacks from anyone who disagrees with them.

I still haven't been able to get the two quotes from Wes Clark and Heinrich Himmler posted. They won't post anything they can't, at least, make a feeble attempt at refuting.

The other day, noted firearms expert, and third rate comedian Ellayne Boosler, posted a rant, entitled "We are tired of prying guns from your cold dead hands. My response was "WE are tired of prying cold dead bodies from your Gun Free Zones". I guess they didn't approve of that, because it wasn't posted.

I'd just like to see more of us over there. I don't like being outnumbered.

TallPine
April 22, 2007, 11:24 AM
Everyone is entitled to their personal moral convictions. But a true "pacificist" would not want even uniformed police to exercise violent force in their behalf.

Daps
April 22, 2007, 12:41 PM
"It is amazing to read that so many folks think that if there were armed students and/or teachers that they could have 'defended' the others quicker. Are we really saying that we think citizens should stand up and take out a weapon and defend other strangers from random violence? That's not what I would have wanted - even if it meant my death. I would be LIVID if someone other than a sanctioned law enforcement offical drew a gun next to me in that situation."
By: daddysboy on April 21, 2007 at 01:40pm
Flag:

See its comments like this that really give me a moment of pause when we discuss coming to the aide of a 3rd party. Some people get what they deserve

THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR
April 22, 2007, 01:21 PM
It always amuses me when we comment about an Anti-2A forum. Here at THR, we know we are right and that we have the moral and logical high ground. But what about those anti-2A people? They belive what they belive just as passionately as we do. And If I were to imagine myself as a self-important, educated, and theoretically sophisticated anti-2A individual, I must agree that most of us would sound like ignorant redneck a**holes. But, being that person, I would have the utmost confidence in the .gov and the police, or as my friend calls them, the 'po-nine'.

Something that we Highroaders have to realize is that no matter how how perfectly true, logically and morally, our arguments are, these people will never be convinced. There is nothing we can do to sway them short of exposing them to violence and saving thiers live with our CCWs. Thus, they need to be ignored and eventually they will discover that thier opinion dosen't matter.

longeyes
April 22, 2007, 01:42 PM
He'd be "LIVID?"

Give me one good reason to save "daddysboy." Anyone?

mike101
April 22, 2007, 01:52 PM
You've got me stumped. Let's just let the idiot get shot.

DI, I hear ya! But, we certainly don't ignore the Brady Bunch, and I don't think we've changed any minds over there. I don't know that we can afford to ignore them. Lot's of people believe everything they read. I often hear people being advised to go there to learn about assault weapons, if you can imagine that.

Maybe Carolyn McCarthy can get Sarah to explain to her what a "barrel shroud" is. :D

Sry0fcr
April 22, 2007, 02:03 PM
Alot of my posts containing statistical evidence from the FBI or DOJ seem to never get posted, even though they contain no personal attacks, verbal abuse or vulgarity. Even my post pointing that out didn't get posted. Funny huh?

Jim K
April 22, 2007, 02:04 PM
I have met very religious people who say they would never harm anyone for any reason, under any circumstances, and that they would rather die than take any action that could harm anyone. They would run away from a killer, but would not resist, even to the extent of using something like tear gas.

One man I know supports total disarmament of individuals, and the disbanding of police and the military. He claims that the presence of weapons and force prevents the word of God from reaching the consciences of those who might do evil; if that threat of force is removed, the word of God will get through and all men will become good. At least that is the theory. Needless to say, he supports the Brady Campaign.

I guess I can respect such beliefs, but I do not share them.

Jim

Prince Yamato
April 22, 2007, 02:43 PM
"It is amazing to read that so many folks think that if there were armed students and/or teachers that they could have 'defended' the others quicker. Are we really saying that we think citizens should stand up and take out a weapon and defend other strangers from random violence? That's not what I would have wanted - even if it meant my death. I would be LIVID if someone other than a sanctioned law enforcement offical drew a gun next to me in that situation."

Before everyone begins questioning others' faith in humanity I would say this: I often wonder the same thing, would someone come to my aide? I honestly believe most people are good at heart and given the scenario would try to help others. I always think of the example of an Ambulance on the road. As soon as you hear the ambulance EVERYONE moves out of the way. Even if it means moving your car (cautiously!) through an intersection at a red light (thereby technically breaking the law) you move so that the ambulance could get through. I would assume similarly, that if someone had a CCW, they'd have pumped the student assassin full of holes to save others.

Sage of Seattle
April 22, 2007, 02:48 PM
"Are we really saying that we think citizens should stand up and take out a weapon and defend other strangers from random violence? That's not what I would have wanted - even if it meant my death. I would be LIVID if someone other than a sanctioned law enforcement offical drew a gun next to me in that situation."

May I confess something? In the deepest, darkest part of my soul, for the briefest of instances, for but a glimmering moment, my thought was this:

"You would rather die than I protect you? Okay, how about you stand in front of me while I draw my CCW and me and these others who may be grateful of my actions, will just use you for cover."

mike101
April 22, 2007, 02:52 PM
Sry0fcr - Did you mean the Brady Bunch or Huffenuff? I have gotten some DOJ stats through on Brady. I managed to get US Code, Title 10, on Huff. That's where "militia" is defined. It took a couple of tries, though. I was trying to explain to them that we are the militia.

Rachen
April 22, 2007, 03:15 PM
posting so we have a tally of the stupidity and apathy that is rampant out there.
That guy apparently has no feelings for life, if his daughter or son is getting raped in front of him, he would not protect them or let any other "stranger" intervene until the police or uniformed personeel arrive, and by that time, his offspring would have been dead, and he probably would have been too.

HE HAS NO RIGHT TO BE LIVID!!!!! IF SOMEONE IS LIVID IT IS ME OR YOU!!!!!
ORDERLY, GET THE STRAITJACKET FOR THAT GUY AND START THE IV DRIP.:fire:

JimmyN
April 22, 2007, 04:55 PM
Jesus said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a sack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
--- Luke, Chapter 22, Verse 36

mike101
April 22, 2007, 05:10 PM
Come on, guys. You gotta help me with this one!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-schlatter/dear-chuck-heston-fans_b_46520.html

Dear Chuck Heston fans:

I thought now was the sickest time in our history, It just got sicker.

"CHO fired 100 bullets from an automatic weapon he had just bought by mail. He had been a mental patient but the power of the NRA prohibited including that information as part of his only one minute gun clearance allowed by the NRA."

These people are just incapable of telling the truth. They make the Brady Bunch look like our allies!

Warren
April 22, 2007, 05:35 PM
He'd be "LIVID?"

He'd be livid either way.

Axman
April 22, 2007, 05:38 PM
Any restrictions takes away their constitutional right to form a Militia. Remember... that was with Muskets.

And the First Amendment was about those who used quills and inkwells!

ATW525
April 22, 2007, 05:45 PM
and by that time, his offspring would have been dead, and he probably would have been too.

That isn't exactly a bad thing for the human race.

gunsmith
April 22, 2007, 08:54 PM
Their blogs are so poorly written and illogical that they speak volumes about their authors.

mike101
April 22, 2007, 09:02 PM
Check this one out, if you haven't already.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=271961

TCB in TN
April 22, 2007, 09:54 PM
I would be LIVID if someone other than a sanctioned law enforcement offical drew a gun next to me in that situation."

Then I would be only to happy to let you "deal" with the shooter on your terms, before I draw my weapon and deal with him on mine.:rolleyes:

The stupidity that some people proudly display is mind boggling to me.

DKSuddeth
April 22, 2007, 10:06 PM
LIVID????

hey pal, pop quiz.

You can be LIVID that I saved your ass, or you can suffer from severe anemia because I didn't. what do you choose? WHAT DO YOU CHOOSE???

Travis McGee
April 22, 2007, 10:12 PM
What a sad, sad bunch of spineless jellyfish on that HuffPo thread. They seem to honestly prefer to die without guns than to survive by ever touching one. They have minds like the "Chuckie Bloomer, Age 6" in this cartoon:

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8424/kidssaynogunsjq3.gif

Nitrogen
April 22, 2007, 10:27 PM
I think we should send people that think this way to Gunsite or Frontsight.

Seeing how it's possible for armed citizens to stop crime might actually turn one or two of them into honest people.

Maybe.

El Tejon
April 23, 2007, 07:52 AM
Wonder if young Chuckie will show his poster to the local police department?:D

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