Liberals to take no stand on Gun Control?


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Voerelover
April 21, 2007, 09:56 PM
HI:
It seems to me Democrats and a few Republicans, just do not want to comment on gun control at this point! I never knew democrats to be hush, hush on this issue. I feel they are chomping at the bits to get into office in 08 and have all of Washington owned totally by them! Then the gloves will come off and they will ask for guns to be ban. Well Except Duck hunters! 2nd amendment ain't about Huntin' Has any one ever tried to get them to realize this?

I love the cable tv girls! They are there to be pretty (AIRHEADS), and do not have to know anything about any subject! One the other day said the bad thing in Virgina, was a guy carrying a 22mm automatic pistol!!
Someone please post a picture of a 22 mm pistol. As:) I never saw one in my life! I do own a .22 cal handgun but it is common.
Thanks,
Voerelover

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SoCalShooter
April 21, 2007, 10:06 PM
Well your first paragraph hits the nail on the head. This is why we have to start educating friends, family and co-workers.

Byron Quick
April 21, 2007, 10:11 PM
On the one hand, most Democrats are firm believers in gun control.

On the other hand, a large and growing segment of the Democratic Party have noticed a troubling trend-a major gun control bill will be passed, gun owners get ticked off, and then many Democratic politicians who voted for it are defeated in subsequent elections. This segment of the party doesn't like that equation as they like winning elections.

I'm not claiming the leopard has changed his spots-he hasn't. But this segment of the Democratic Party is arguing against gun control as an issue. Not because it doesn't work, not because of the 2nd Amendment, but because they have come to believe that the cost to the party is too high.

TexasP226
April 21, 2007, 10:27 PM
This issue above all others shows that the democrats only care about one thing: their power. If they truly believe gun control is what this country needs, that is their perogative, and I am fine with that. If they truly believed the country and the world would be a much safer place by enacting their laws, then by all means they should. Do I support that? HELL NO! I love my guns and I firmly believe fewer gun laws and a literal interpretation of the obvious intent of th esecond ammendment are what this country needs. However, if the dems actually believe gun laws would work, they should pass them and face the music later. However, they only care about themselves and not their country. The same can be said of most republicans as well. I think we have lost the intent and spirit of what holding public office was supposed to be about. It's about "ME" and not "US" (as in both you and me and the United States). Shame on all of them. All that said, I am very happy they cannot and lilkely will not pass nonsensical gun laws that hurt nobody but you and me.

Voerelover
April 23, 2007, 02:51 PM
HI:
Byron you are correct my friend! The Democrats are for what will give them power. If the whole country wanted soft drinks ban because of sugar it would go to the top of their list to ban!
It has never been about what is good or safe for Americans it's about where they can get the most votes!
I just love for a 08 Democrat who represents the state of New York to come down south in Dixie. And all of a sudden developes a Southern Accent!! I just loved that one! So maybe you were not exactly right Democrats can change their spots or their northern accent to a southern one!!
Thanks I love seeing people say what they feel, instead of cable news telling me what the country thinks!
Thanks,
Voerelover:confused:

MD_Willington
April 23, 2007, 03:38 PM
So the easiest way to tell .GOV employess we do not like them to trample on our rights is to persuade them to not put their .GOV position on the line...


They don't want to loose their seats and that is the bottom line.

jpk1md
April 23, 2007, 05:04 PM
Ok, with a few exceptions the vast majority of Politicians are concerned with one thing only.....getting elected and staying in office/power.

The rest is gravy.

With that said my observation as an Independent is that the Republicans tend to stay true to their issues better than the Dems do.

Gun Control is just another example of that....they are laying low hoping to skate by and win in 2008......the ONLY thing that matters to them is getting control of the White House......if the Dems control Congress AND the WH in 2008 hang on folks!

Its gonna get bad.

rich642z
April 23, 2007, 07:57 PM
When November 08 comes around,it will be time to send these anti-gun Liberals a PINK SLIP anyway. Like to SCHUMER,KENNEDY,CLINTON, and other anti-gun Liberals. It is time to make calls and emails to these anti-gunners in congress. What we need in 08 are pro-gun people and to support them 100%!!!!!!!!!! Rich Ziemies,Omaha,Ne.

SDC
April 23, 2007, 08:18 PM
"Liberals to take no stand on Gun Control until they're ELECTED and IN POWER", you mean; once they have the power to pass whichever laws they want, then that's exactly what they'll do.

Voerelover
September 6, 2007, 03:00 PM
HI:
Remember back when Semiauto rifes were changed over to Assault weapons?
I have just noticed a new catch name for semiautos either rifles or pistols. They are on the news now called semiauto machine guns! No Such gun is made, they are either semi or full auto with select fire parts to shoot either full auto or one shot at a time! This is a new name to blur the diference between full autos and semi guns. This kinda sounds like calling someone a shemale! Democrats do not ever give up do they!

40SW
September 6, 2007, 03:08 PM
A 22mm conversion kit for a .22LR Walther P22? nice!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:banghead:

MrTuffPaws
September 6, 2007, 03:13 PM
I think that everyone needs to step back and also realize that leading Republicans are no friends to guns either. They owned the government for 4 years and did near squat about gun laws....heck, they did near squat about everything they claim they stand for.

MD_Willington
September 6, 2007, 03:55 PM
You know, given the chance, I do believe every single one of them would totally ban your legal right to firearms ownership if they could, this quote sums it up:

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
Vladimir Lenin

Politician are all alike in the end.

I LIKE IT!
September 6, 2007, 04:33 PM
From above

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one."
Vladimir Lenin



Hopes he's got a Beta C Mag:D

jlbraun
September 6, 2007, 04:36 PM
On the one hand, most Democrats are firm believers in gun control.

This Democrat isn't. As soon as the ban on new machineguns is overturned, I want to get a Russian PKM GPMG. I think the nation should go Vermont carry.

Autolycus
September 6, 2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Texas226: This issue above all others shows that the democrats only care about one thing: their power. If they truly believe gun control is what this country needs, that is their perogative, and I am fine with that. If they truly believed the country and the world would be a much safer place by enacting their laws, then by all means they should. Do I support that? HELL NO! I love my guns and I firmly believe fewer gun laws and a literal interpretation of the obvious intent of th esecond ammendment are what this country needs. However, if the dems actually believe gun laws would work, they should pass them and face the music later. However, they only care about themselves and not their country. The same can be said of most republicans as well. I think we have lost the intent and spirit of what holding public office was supposed to be about. It's about "ME" and not "US" (as in both you and me and the United States). Shame on all of them. All that said, I am very happy they cannot and lilkely will not pass nonsensical gun laws that hurt nobody but you and me. The same goes with many of the Republicans. They only seem to care about power. Look at the many gun control schemes that Republicans support. Reagan supported some. Guiliani as well. And Mitt Romney also supports the 2nd Amendment as well as an Assault Weapons Ban.

Its not just members of the Democratic Party. Your forgetting that both groups push their own agenda to ursurp power from the people. The GOP with the Patriot Act, their forcing of "Christian Values" upon us when it could save many lives, their belief that the government can control someones body through anti-drug legislation and anti-abortion legislation.

I would argue that it is really just about keeping their constituents happy. On both sides of the spectrum.

By the way Voerelover: Can you please define liberal? I think many people here are mistaken and believe that it means Democrat. Your first post seems to imply this. I hope that is not what you mean, is it?

pdowg881
September 6, 2007, 04:57 PM
I know this is a controverial topic but I have to diagree when you say anti-abortion laws are attempts by the government to control someones body. I think it is an attempt to reaffirm the right to life that is expressed throughout the constitution.

Joe Gunns
September 6, 2007, 05:26 PM
Having no official position is a politician's version of woodland camo. It lets 'em get in position without raising alarm. All politicians think they are smarter than the rest of us. They think that only they have the workable solutions. You gotta keep your eye on every one of 'em. :scrutiny:

(Reminds me of an old joke that can be updated by substituting any current pol's name for "Nixon.": Moses said load up your a$$ and mount up your camel and I will lead you to the Promised Land. FDR said sit on your a$$ and light up a Camel, for the Promised Land is here. Watch out for Nixon, he'll kick your a$$, sell your camel and tell you there is no Promised Land. :D )
James

Geno
September 6, 2007, 05:41 PM
You mean she mis-spoke?! I feel so stupid. Now I know why I could chamber this round!!! :banghead:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/Doc2005/22mm.jpg

Zeke/PA
September 6, 2007, 06:06 PM
Take notice how the politicos tried to rush the immigration thing thru before congress recessed?
I'm fairly certain that neither party wants immigration to become a 2008 campaign issue.
It's a volitile issue and NO candidate dare commit themselves on the same.
I think that Gun Control is the same kind of an issue.
People are much better informed these days and the computer networks certainly adds to this fact.
Zeke

Never No More
September 6, 2007, 06:12 PM
Lets see, we have a lot of gun owners, msot if not all vote.

Elections are coming up

They would rather say nothing, and maybe get votes, rather than send the voters running.

I call them chicken sh......

Jamie C.
September 6, 2007, 06:15 PM
Liberals to take no stand on Gun Control??

Well, I don't know about "Liberals", but politicians in general... at least the semi-smart ones... may have noticed a few things, these last few years:

Like the fact that more states have concealed carry now that ever before, and that there haven't been "Old West gunfights" on every corner.

That more states have adopted "Castle Doctrine" laws. ( Gee... people like to be able to defend themselves. Imagine that. )

And the fact that being in favor of more/strict gun control, and/or having a voting record that reflects such has cost a few folks any chance of winning an election, no matter what they may claim or pretend concerning how "Pro 2nd" they are.

And then there's the courts... With that pesky D.C./Heller case looking like it's gonna get a review by the SCOTUS, and judges smacking the government for other attempted infringements on other constitutional rights ( See here for an example (http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20070906/D8RG2KQG0.html) ).... is it really any wonder that all but the dumbest of politicians would walk a wide circle around the topic of Gun Control?

I mean, I'm not the brightest of people, but even I can see that something has changed, these past few years, and trying to ban or restrict firearms is not the best way to endear one's self to a lot people any more.


J.C.

jeepmor
September 6, 2007, 06:23 PM
Guilliani was in the spin room after the debate saying how safe he had made New York as Mayor. He kept spouting off quotes of how unlikely you were to be a victim of crime in his city. He never mentioned that you had a right to defend yourself, just that it was more unlikely that you would need to do so.

Democrats, Republicans...they both want your guns so they can use theirs to keep us all in line.:barf:

As for the Dems, If Billary gets elected, the Republicans will align against her to hinder the gun ban process. If Republican president brings about more gun control, the Republicans will align with him, no doubt.:barf:

As someone's tag line states, Republicans and Democrats, same s**t, different pile.:barf:


And we know the bought and paid for media will NOT bring up the topic in the debates. Although they touch on the VT incident, it never gets any real air time because they know how dangerous the topic is to their plans.

Of course, this is all my opinion, worth only the digital space it takes up.

ArfinGreebly
September 6, 2007, 07:08 PM
I'm starting to see a drift into "open politics" land.

Leaving this thread open for the moment.

Not sure how long that "moment" is going to be.

Art Eatman
September 6, 2007, 07:31 PM
Legal Forum. Laws: Enforcement of. Proposals for. Passage of. Meaning of. Discussion of all of the above.

Not politics.

Art

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