How many round can a M-98 Mauser hold?


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DonQatU
June 17, 2003, 12:23 AM
When loaded to full capacity?

Don

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Jim Watson
June 17, 2003, 01:05 AM
5
If unaltered and in a standard 8mm head diameter caliber.

DonQatU
June 17, 2003, 01:09 AM
Wrong...but this is a trick question, Jim! Don

Ian
June 17, 2003, 01:13 AM
4+1 if it's a commercial one?
5+1 if military?
20+1 / 25+1 / 50+1 with a trench mag?

Kestryll
June 17, 2003, 01:13 AM
6, there's always room in the chamber!:D

DonQatU
June 17, 2003, 01:20 AM
Ian & Kestryll you guys win the prize!

I wonder if armies that carried these in combat ever carried them that way?

That's the way I would carry one, if I had to carry one in combat.

Don

juicy
June 17, 2003, 08:10 AM
any good web sites for 8mm mausers, like how to take them apart etc..

Kevlarman
June 17, 2003, 08:27 AM
Check out www.surplusrifle.com

Jim Watson
June 17, 2003, 12:50 PM
Not all Mauser 98s have the extractor beveled to let it snap over the rim of a sixth round loaded directly into the chamber. Not all Mausers have enough clearance in the receiver ring to let it spring outward over the rim. If either or both obtains you cannot load the extra round. I recall a magazine article by a hunter who was unpleasantly surprised by that feature when he tried to single load in the face of an angry critter.

Discussion of push feed and CRF at
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25027&highlight=CRF

Sleeping Dog
June 17, 2003, 01:07 PM
juicy,
There's a downloadable manual on Michell Mausers (http://www.mitchellsales.com) web page. It's for the M48, but works for most mausers.

Some variations are tricky, mostly in getting the handguard rings and other little stock hardware.

Regards.

DonQatU
June 17, 2003, 08:47 PM
Not all Mauser 98s have the extractor beveled to let it snap over the rim of a sixth round loaded directly into the chamber. Not all Mausers have enough clearance in the receiver ring to let it spring outward over the rim.

Jim, I've never seen a military M98 without the extractor beveled on the front, but I'll admit I'm FAR from an M98 Mauser expert. Are these maybe commercial Mausers vs. military as Ian suggested?

I pulled out my M96 Swede and it also has a beveled extractor and will also load 5 + 1 (6) rounds.

Don

cpileri
June 17, 2003, 09:47 PM
So where do you get a 50-rd trench mag?! :)
C-

4v50 Gary
June 18, 2003, 01:06 AM
BTW, who makes a decent synthetic stock for the Mauser 98? I'm thinking of restocking mine (it's already been butchered so it's no loss to collectors).

Glamdring
June 18, 2003, 01:25 AM
DGR have to be controlled feed.

Err, so what happens if you shoot dry and need to load one more?:what:

cracked butt
June 18, 2003, 02:35 AM
Fumf!

Unless you want to break the extractor which is a bad idea in a battle zone since it will render your rifle useless untill you can get a replacement. The extractor may be bevelled, but there isn't much 'give' to the extractor, unlike the extractor on a coned breached rifle like a Win mod 70 or a 1903 springfield.

If you have very strong fingers, you can squeeze the middle of the extractor and ease the claw over the casehead, but its much quicker to just drop a shell in the magazine and strip the way its meant to be done.

Gewehr98
June 18, 2003, 11:04 AM
I have a couple 98's that will chamber a round directly, as the bolt closes behind them, but the extractor never gets a good bite into the case head's extractor groove. Opening the bolt afterwards leaves the brass in the chamber - the result is a fired round that has to be driven out via cleaning rod or dowel. :(


And I knew better than to try it, I normally always single-load rounds from the magazine, or use one of those single-round follower adapters.

DonQatU
June 19, 2003, 11:32 PM
I'm wondering why an (M98) extractor (that had sufficient room to ride over the rim on a load fed directly into the chamber) would have less extraction power than one fed through the magazine?

TIA! Don

nextjoe
June 19, 2003, 11:53 PM
Err, so what happens if you shoot dry and need to load one more?

You push it down into the magazine and close the bolt. Quick and easy. :D

Best,
Joe

BamBam-31
June 20, 2003, 02:51 PM
4v50Gary,

I just restocked my Yugo M48 with the Advanced Technology stock (Steyr look-alike with a full-length built-in scope rail). My old stock looked termite-riddled, so no big loss there. I'm taking it out this weekend to give it a spin.

Not sure if that's what you were looking for, but it sure is a neat stock. The smith that helped me boresight the scope thought it was a cool setup.

4v50 Gary
June 20, 2003, 03:38 PM
Thanks BamBam. I'll look into it. Mine's already scoped with an ancient Weaver 330 (same one used on M1903A4) - which is why I bought it. It also came with the Lyman 48 rear aperture. A new stock would be nice though.

DonQatU
June 20, 2003, 11:48 PM
Unless you want to break the extractor which is a bad idea in a battle zone since it will render your rifle useless untill you can get a replacement. The extractor may be bevelled, but there isn't much 'give' to the extractor, unlike the extractor on a coned breached rifle like a Win mod 70 or a 1903 springfield.

I don't think there is any problem with loading a five round clip into the rifle...... then pushing the top round down....... then chamberloading the sixth!

Don

Jim K
June 21, 2003, 12:08 AM
It may sound like a good idea to load six rounds (one in the chamber), but they didn't do it. When not in actual combat, the rifle was carried empty. When it was loaded, it was loaded with a clip of 5 rounds and no one fooled around trying to load a sixth. Same when the rifle was shot empty. (Excuse me, Mr. Enemy, but don't shoot while I am fiddle-farting around trying to get an extra round in the chamber....". Bang!)

Some folks say controlled feed is to prevent jams. It may do that, but the original reason was to prevent an accident if the bolt is worked without being fully closed, leaving a live round in the chamber. If the bullet point of the next round strikes the primer of the chambered round, unpleasant things happen.

Jim

Jim K
June 21, 2003, 12:27 AM
Small additional point. The U.S. Model 1917 rifle can hold six .30-'06 rounds in the magazine and one (as discussed above) in the chamber. The reason for the large magazine is that it was designed for the .276 Enfield, which is much larger in diameter than the .30 round.

Nonetheless, in service, the rifle was always loaded with a 5-round clip and it was referred to as a 5-shot rifle. The clip was the same as that for the Model 1903.

Jim

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