Question for TTR8 owners and a comment about Revolvers vs Autos...


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Shawn Michael
April 23, 2007, 12:46 AM
Question: Is there a way to set up the TTR8 with a light/laser so that you can activate them without taking your hands off the grips? On the glock the switches can be activated with the thumb while keeping your regular shooting platform, this is nice.

My comment.............

For the last 10 years I have had two primary pistols...a glock 23 and a S&W model 19. I have equal experience with both guns but always felt much more "at peace" with my revolver. While ballistically I could be argued that the glock has more than twice the fire power (similar ballistics and 13 rounds) the reality of home defense and checking out the "bump in the night" or the suspicious guy at the door I have always felt more confident with the revolver. Just a few reasons:

1) The trigger on the glock is really soft (the older it got the softer the trigger) and it is really hard to tell when it is going to "go off" this is good and bad

2) you cannot visually see if there is a round chambered in the glock. It is easy to see the brass in a revolver without having to do anything but look.

3) If limp wrist a glock, it will fail to cycle. I can "jam" it on any time by holding if limply. Not to say that I would, but what if injured, in a struggle, with the off hand in a bad position I have some doubts.. what about my wife shaking in fear? Fear makes some people turn to jelly.

4) Nice to be able to "see the hammer" and visually know where you are at. I cant explain this one.

5) Long trigger throw..I am 1000 times more comfortable with my finger on the trigger of a revolver. I do understand that you should have your finger off the trigger until aquisition of target but I could easily flinch and fire the soft trigger of my glock, very doubtful with a revolver IMO

6) Single action is nice for a super accurate shot.

7) Problem? Pull the trigger again

8) In the event of a struggle I can jam a revolver in a guys ribs and the gun will still go off....Any pressure on the front (closest to the bad guy) and the glock does not work.

lots of great amo options with 38/357

Clearly this stuff is debatable. Much if it is psychological and points to failing NOT IN THE TOOL BUT IN ME.

In California, I can only have a 10 round clip. In the TTR8 I get 8 and I am pretty fast with a speed loader so that tends to narrow the field as well.

Any one feel the same about revolvers?

Were I in the miliary or police with hi cap mags and the reality of the job, things would be different, but I feel better with a revolver for home defense and 8 rounds of 357 and a speed loader is formidable.

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Jim March
April 23, 2007, 03:13 AM
Ummmm...what's a "TTR8"?

Shawn Michael
April 23, 2007, 03:22 AM
Smith and Wesson 8 Shot 357 mag revolver with rails to attach light/laser. When you handle one you dont forget it. I love my 686 but I think I am going to have to kick down some tax return for this..........

ravencon
April 23, 2007, 09:09 AM
I don't have any useful info regarding the tactical light issue. But I don't think there is anything wrong with your reasoning or your choosing the S&W for your HD needs.

Doubtless some would object to the "spawn of Satan" lock and some revolver fundamentalists hate the idea of a rail but that is their problem.

Shawn Michael
April 23, 2007, 08:16 PM
Thanks for the thoughts. I wonder if I am the only one thinking along these lines...I just feel better with a revolver and think that the best of both worlds can be had

mmcbeat
April 23, 2007, 08:28 PM
I recently bought one and its a winner. Its now my nightstand gun. Still looking for the perfect light. You can forget your speedloader, with the gun you have the option of using moon clips, much faster than a speedloader.

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1 LT MPC
April 23, 2007, 09:33 PM
In a gunfight, I want fire superiority. Since my model 19 has a much slower cyclic rate of fire (and only holds six rounds), I keep my Glock 23 on the nightstand (high rate of fire and 13 rounds). First rule of tactics--if you want to tie, match fire with fire. If you want to win, establish fire superiority.:fire:
Second thought: Ever try to reload with moon clips, speed loaders, or speed strips in a dark room when your only light is attached to the end of your gun?
I don't want to tie in a shootout.:eek:

Shawn Michael
April 23, 2007, 10:39 PM
great points. No problem with the speed loader or moon clips in the dark but the fire power is a big deal. I am still trying to get my head around what really goes down in your civilan self defense...but if I am not mistaken the stats for POLICE who are better trained than most is 30% hit rate of shots fired so....

sw686plus
April 23, 2007, 11:32 PM
I've given this a lot of thought, and it seems to me if we're ever hit by a SHTF scenario (like Katrina in real life, or a longer term Jericho (CBS show)), that it would be better to have revolvers than semis. Eventually magazines on semis are going to have their springs wear out. In a nuke scenario where supplies are no longer available, I'd think most semis, even Glocks etc, would eventually be rendered somewhat useless when there are no longer any good magazines left for them. Revolvers have internals too that wear out, but I've known far more people over the years have magazine springs wear out and fail on them for various guns. During that same period, I've known folks with old revolvers that just keep on shooting.

Plus, in that situation, 38 special cartridges will be almost as plentiful as 9mms, etc, and can be reloaded also.


Now when the gunpowder runs out, that's a different story.

Deer Hunter
April 24, 2007, 12:13 AM
686, even in the ultra-rare event that there is some super world breakdown/nuke attack, we're probably all gonna die. The last thing I'd worry about is your glock magazine springs wearing out after 150 years of use.

sw686plus
April 24, 2007, 12:24 AM
150 years? A magazine for a handgun lasting 150 years? Now that I'd like to see.

Now I can say the same thing about all of posts where people worry about getting into shootouts with several individuals and not having enough firepower. If any one individual ever gets into that type of situation, you're likely going to end up in very serious condition, regardless of the firearms you have.

Deer Hunter
April 24, 2007, 12:29 AM
I'd believe it. 1911 mags have lasted since WWII, loaded. I wouldn't be surprised if new technology allows magazines to last even longer.

But you miss the point, you see, even if you survived the nukes, you wont live long enough to see the end of your magazines.

sw686plus
April 24, 2007, 12:37 AM
Food for thought, but I'm happy with my revolvers. I've gone the semi auto route, and just don't care for them.

Shawn Michael
April 24, 2007, 03:12 AM
So I guess it is a myth that keeping your mag loaded with the max number of rounds for extended periods of time is not a bad thing? I usually try to rotate mine when I think about it.

If there was a bomb, I think my glock would be one of the last things standing.

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