LEO support for National Reciprocity?


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sacp81170a
April 23, 2007, 01:10 PM
This is the perfect place to start getting LEO's together in support of:

H.R. 226: To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

How best to start? Should we get a campaign together to persuade LEAA to get behind it, or should we try writing individual members of Congress?

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Correia
April 23, 2007, 01:30 PM
Since you're closing with a question, I'm moving this to the Activism Discussion forum.

AF_INT1N0
April 23, 2007, 01:44 PM
I think the some of the rank and files may be for it. But the big support from Police Unions (Associations) went the way of the Dodo after HB 218 was passed. And what was a huge love fest between the NRA and various LEO associations became the NRA wondering what happened to all the LE support after 218 passed.

They got theirs.. :neener:

We got bent over.... :( :(

This is also why I no longer give to FOP.

Autolycus
April 30, 2007, 01:51 AM
Funny that we are talking about this in another thread. How LEOs got their rights but dont seem to support ours or openly campaign against us.

jeepmor
April 30, 2007, 07:25 AM
Funny that we are talking about this in another thread. How LEOs got their rights but dont seem to support ours or openly campaign against us.

I hate to say it, but I will. LEO associations are too heavily influenced by politics and not common sense due to todays political environment. Especially when you get far up the ladder and a daily duty of your LEO is dealing with political pundits in the justice system.

Unfortunately, this puts the LEO organizations, typically, on the side of the politicians for job security purposes, creating the US vs THEM scenario. Us as in common serfs, and them as in politicians and what not, with rules that they insist we live by, but exempt themselves from personally.

Think about social security for a moment as an analogy. The people administrating and determining the long term direction of the system don't mind how f**ked up the system is because they know they'll never have to participate in it and their retirement plan became solidified the day they became a US congress critter or what have you.

Now, I don't think LEOs are exempt in the retirement angle such as congress critters, nor are they exempt from paying social security. But when you are exempt from the rules being made, you have a tendency not to give a sh** how things turn out since you won't be having to follow those rules anyway.

The saying is Liberty and justice for all, not liberty and justice for the elites, screw the serfs. But more and more, it's turning into the latter.

LEOs, I mean no disrespect to anyone personally, for this is a political issue.

Blackfork
April 30, 2007, 07:38 AM
The original American Idea was that everyone would be equal before the law. Now most groups just trying to cut a deal.

Correia
April 30, 2007, 09:52 AM
Guys, this is the place to take action. Not cry about stuff. Find something effective to do about it, but if you just want to complain, take it to L&P.

ilbob
April 30, 2007, 10:48 AM
Most LE organizations are really barely disguised labor unions, and as such are more interested in what they can get for their membership, and for the union brass, than what is good for anyone else.

I expect zero help from any police group in getting any kind of improved gun laws anywhere. You might get some support from individual officers and maybe a few rogue locals, but overall, it just ain't gonna happen.

Expecting help on these kinds of issues from a police union is not much different than expecting the UAW or the Teamsters to help you.

This needs to be slugged out in the down and dirty world of real politics.

bogie
April 30, 2007, 10:53 AM
Larry, can we change the name of L&P to P&M?

Talk to cops. You probably see at least one a week. Tell 'em about the bill, and tell them to contact their union people, so that the next time they go on vacation, they don't have to worry about whatever gun laws of whatever state.

El Tejon
April 30, 2007, 10:54 AM
Need to tie it to something that the cops want. Make it part of a dole and toy bill for cops. Of course, not likely to happen with the present Congress.

Work to change Congress and then worry about it.

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