What is a clip?


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RM
April 23, 2007, 06:53 PM
I know the media and others are frequently incorrectly referring to magazines as clips. Please enlighten me as to what is the true definition of a clip. Thank you.

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El Tejon
April 23, 2007, 06:54 PM
clip=no spring

magazine=spring

ripcurlksm
April 23, 2007, 06:54 PM
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1323705

Simply put, a magazine is a container in which ammunition is stored, whilst a clip is a small piece of metal which holds rounds in place whilst outside the magazine, and sometimes within the magazine as well. Picture in your mind the bomb bay of a B-52. Yes, you are there. The bay itself is the bomber's magazine, whilst the bomb racks on which the bombs are placed are clips. Now take your mind away from the bomb bay. Yes. Bring yourself back. Imagine that the B-52's bomb bay was in reality the magazine of a rifle, and that you were the size of an ant, indeed that you were an ant, and imagine that there are bullets hanging above you. Imagine that. In a way, there are bullets hanging over each one of us.

Since the advent of the repeating, magazine-fed rifle in the mid 1800s, there have been a variety of methods and mechanisms for storing multiple rounds about the soldier's person, inserting these rounds into the rifle's magazine and holding the rounds in place so that the rifle's mechanism may act upon them. A magazine is any container which stores ammunition. A building used to store ammunition is a magazine; a compartment in a ship which stores ammunition is a magazine, a bomber's bomb bay is a magazine. Rifle magazines are small containers which store rounds, usually equipped with a simple mechanism - a spring and a metal plate - which keeps the rounds stacked evenly, and which pushes the rounds into the rifle's action as it is cycled. Historically, the magazines of the earliest repeating rifles were integral parts of the rifle, often in the form of tubes running underneath the rifle's barrel, indeed contemporary shotguns still tend to use tubular, under-barrel magazines. These fixed magazines were fed with individual rounds by hand, a process familiar to millions from Westerns. At this point in time soldiers, cowboys and rustlers held the rounds about their person in bandoliers or ammunition boxes.

The tubular magazine had two big drawbacks, especially with the advent of the centre-fire cartridge and the pointed 'spitzer' bullet. The cartridges in a tubular magazine were arranged in such a way that it was possible for the tip of one bullet to ignite the primer of the next round in line, if the rifle was jarred sufficiently. A tubular magazine's capacity was limited by its length and spring strength, and furthermore such magazines were hard to clean and maintain in the field. Therefore, from the late 1800s, the integral rectangular box magazine became the standard. Some, but not all, rifle designs required that the rounds were furthermore held in place within the magazine with a small metal clip. The clip also kept ammunition held in a pouch or pocket aligned in the correct orientation.

A clip is, pedantically, a small piece of metal which holds rounds in place within a magazine. The M1 Garand mentioned elsewhere is an ideal example of this. The rifle's magazine stores eight rounds, which are held in place with a clip. After insertion the clip becomes an integral part of the rifle's mechanism, the action gripping and feeding from the clip, which is ejected once it has been expended. Rounds were issued to the soldiers in boxes, and were then transferred onto eight-round clips, which were fed into the M1's magazine. The terms 'clip' and 'magazine' have understandably become confused. Most military terminology is arbitrary and subject to change, and thus there is no reason to agonise over the supposed misuse of each term. The many definitions of the words 'gun' and 'cannon' are proof enough that the subject is trapped in sticky mud.

The removable magazine was an innovation pioneered during the First World War, initially for light machine-guns such as the BAR and Lewis Gun. Clips do nothing to keep ammunition clean and protected in the field, and furthermore they can break and allow the ammunition to fall out. The process of holding back the rifle's bolt, placing the clip into the receiver's guide rails, pushing the rounds down into the magazine and manipulating the bolt again was slow, fiddly, and liable to push dirt and mud into the magazine along with the bullets. By the end of the Second World War most of the world's battle rifles and all assault rifles were fed with removable magazines, their weight a small price to pay for their advantages. Removable magazines still have to be fed with bullets, however, either individually (often with the help of special tools), or from stripper clips.

There is a further complication, in the form of the stripper clip. To take an example, Britain's first repeating rifle was the Lee-Metford, eventually better known as the modifed Lee-Enfield. This was equipped with a removable box magazine which held ten rounds, although the magazine was in reality rarely removed. Instead, it was fed with stripper clips which held five rounds apiece. Unlike the clips described above, these stripper clips did not subsequently form part of the rifle's mechanism and were discarded after the magazine had been fed. Very few people nowadays bother to make the distinction between clips and stripper clips, rightly so.

Clips were also used to feed those designs of pistol revolvers which allowed unrestricted access to the back of the cylinder. Know as 'full-moon', 'half-moon' or 'speedloader' clips, these sped up the revolver's slow loading cycle. Very few automatic pistols were loaded directly with clips, the only significant design being the 'Broomhandle' Mauser C96. The earliest successful automatic pistol, the Borchardt, had been fed from a grip-mounted removeable magazine, a tradition maintained by its direct descendant, the Luger Parabellum, and the vast majority of subsequent designs. The large ammuntion capacity and relative novelty of the sub-machinegun has invariably resulted in such weapons also being fed from magazines.

Machineguns are generally fed from a 'clip' of their own, in the form of an ammunition belt. Belts are constructed of canvas or interlinked metal segments, the belt holding fifty, a hundred, two hundred rounds or more. To prevent these belts from flapping about they are often held in boxes which are attached to the machinegun, forming a large-capacity magazine. Various anti-aircraft, anti-tank and anti-ship guns are or have been fed with clips, for example the 40mm Bofors AA gun, although these are rarely confused with magazines on account of their size and prominence.

CountGlockula
April 23, 2007, 06:58 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=270656

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6073/stripperclipsglockmagazjc8.jpg

DoubleTapDrew
April 23, 2007, 07:09 PM
Clip: used to hold ammo together until it can be inserted into a magazine. Either an internal magazine (like on a Garand) or external (like on an M-16)

cbsbyte
April 23, 2007, 07:10 PM
The basics are a clip holds the rounds to help quickly feed a internal or external magazine. Clips are not as common since they where made to feed internal magazines in rifles.

DF357
April 23, 2007, 07:13 PM
clips

http://www.90thdivisionassoc.org/ammo1.jpg

Hoppy590
April 23, 2007, 07:17 PM
though some rifles do directly accept a clip. ( M1 garand, Carcano, M95 Styer and more)

the simplest definition is a magazine is the area that holds the amunition that is fed into the weapon via a "spring" ( doesnt have to be a coil spring,) this can be a detachable box or internal. using coil type springs, leaf type, or what ever the mechanism the SKS uses is called ( honestly dont know what that is)

with the above exempt, a clip is a bent piece of metal used to charge a magazine. either externaly or internal.

esentialy a clip just holds ammo together, a magazine provides a mechanical force to push the next round up to be stripped and fed into the chamber. while the Carcano and M1 can only be loaded with clips they still require a magazine to house the clips and force the next round into position

otasan
April 23, 2007, 07:21 PM
A clip is what the ignorant, leftist mainstream media calls "magazine."

Do you want to sound like the MSM, or like a knowledgeable gun owner?

CNYCacher
April 23, 2007, 07:22 PM
Basically, a clip is a piece that holds a bunch of rounds in a certain configuration so that you can quickly load the magazine with all the rounds from the clip with an easy motion.

Usually they are used on guns where the magazine is an integral part of the gun and not meant to be removed. Since there is no easy way to change the magazine on the gun with a fresh magazine full of rounds, you use clips to make the magazine easier to load.

Other guns have magazines that are designed to be removable and replaced with a new pre-loaded magazine.

As someone else mentioned, if you don't know if you have a magazine or a clip, check for a spring. Magazines have springs, clips don't.

Titan6
April 23, 2007, 07:24 PM
An illegal block.

ATW525
April 23, 2007, 07:24 PM
clip=no spring

magazine=spring

Easily the best and most concise definition out there.

NickHTK
April 23, 2007, 07:29 PM
Been around firearms for years and that is the best definition I have ever read.:D

ConfuseUs
April 23, 2007, 08:49 PM
A clip is what the ignorant, leftist mainstream media calls "magazine."


and what everyone except for serious gun geeks calls a magazine as well.

And, muddying the waters a little, a detachable magazine is really an en-bloc clip that has a spring added to simplify the mechanism of the actual firearm. It's a gray area between a straightforward "clip" and a non-removable magazine.

stripper/en-bloc clip ---> Detach mag/"clip" ---> magazine --------> gun rag

OK, that last one doesn't belong in the set of related terms but I couldn't help myself.

default
April 23, 2007, 10:09 PM
The clip loads the magazine. The magazine loads the gun.

Had the M1 Garand (which utilizes en-bloc clips that are superficially similar to magazines in that they are discarded at the end of the firing sequence, not at the beginning) been less historically significant, successful, and popular, we might not be having this discussion, or only having it as an investigation of historical curiosities.

There is an important technical distinction between the two terms, and we should strive to use them correctly. Having said that, if you talk to someone about a GLOCK "clip" and they are actually confused as to what you are referring to, you're not the ignorant one.

rickomatic
April 23, 2007, 11:04 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/rickomatic/paperclip.jpg

Clip

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/rickomatic/magazine.jpg

Magazine


Any questions? :evil:

BobMcG
April 23, 2007, 11:44 PM
Clip - A fast rate of speed.

IE: I was moving along at a good clip. :p

pax
April 23, 2007, 11:56 PM
www.corneredcat.com/Glossary/glossary.aspx

pax

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