NEW Kel Tec .380 mouse gun!


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Blackhawk
January 7, 2003, 05:12 PM
From information sent by a good friend about the other new KT product debuting at the SHOT Show next month:

P-3AT
Caliber: .380 ACP
Weight unloaded: 7.3 oz
Length 5.16"
Height 3.52"
Width .75"
Barrel Length 2.76"
Capacity 6+1 rnds

Dimension and weight wise, that's a P-32 class mouser! Supposed to be $305, which is the same MRSP of the P-11 and P-32.

KT's going to have another winner! :neener:

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alamo
January 7, 2003, 05:18 PM
Here are the specs side-by-side with the P-32.


P-32 / P-3AT

Weight: 6.6 oz / 7.3 oz
Length: 5.1" / 5.16"
Height: 3.5" / 3.52"
Width: 0.75" / 0.75"
Capacity: 7+1 / 6+1


Expected shipping date is supposed to be May.

Onslaught
January 7, 2003, 05:29 PM
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mtnbkr
January 7, 2003, 05:56 PM
Darn, and I just bought my P32 a couple months ago. :)

Chris

Blackhawk
January 7, 2003, 06:03 PM
My Rohrbaugh R-9 is going to beat the new KT into my pocket, it looks like! :D

The KTs for BUGs and the Rohrbaugh for fancier shindigs when only a full powered 9mm will do.... :neener:

Onslaught
January 7, 2003, 06:08 PM
BH - Given the expense of the Rohrbaugh, you could buy 3 KelTec .380's, one for each hand ala Lara Kroft, as well as a spare for backup, and still have $100 left over for holsters :evil:

I thought I had given up on Kel-Tecs... but I see that I was wrong.

I'm already shifting pistols around to figure out how to justify the "need" ;)

alamo
January 7, 2003, 06:09 PM
For whatever reason, they didn't want to call it the P-380 so I guess P-3"AT" is the next best thing.

gbelleh
January 7, 2003, 06:20 PM
Can't wait to hear how it shoots! :D

teombe
January 7, 2003, 06:21 PM
For whatever reason, they didn't want to call it the P-380 so I guess P-3"AT" is the next best thing.

Umm... my guess is because they didn't want to bring to mind visions of the Davis P380 :D

priv8ter
January 7, 2003, 06:24 PM
I had finally decided that my Christmas present was going to be the P-11 at my local gun store. Have the cash in pocket to go get it today. Now I might get a wheelgun for my late Christmas present, and get the new Kel-tec for my Birthday in May.

Decisions, decisions.

NJ3
January 7, 2003, 07:14 PM
I might have to buy a new Kel Tec P-3AT since the Rohrbaugh R-9 MSRP will be $795. To rich for me at this time. :banghead:

9x19
January 7, 2003, 07:28 PM
What, No pictures?

:D

Blackhawk
January 7, 2003, 07:31 PM
BH - Given the expense of the Rohrbaugh, you could buy 3 KelTec .380's, one for each hand ala Lara Kroft, as well as a spare for backup, and still have $100 left over for holsters Except that I'm an early and eager adopter of new, unique breakthrough products. There's NEVER been a 9mm mouser, AFAIK, and the R9 is going to make history, IMO, and from what I can tell, the Rohrbaughs are going to be jewels -- certainly a worthy gift for somebody important in your life.

The P-3AT will be a great gun too, but it's just a logical follow on to the excellent P-32.

Just think of it! The mouse gun genre will have two new LOCKED BREECH pistols joining it. AFAIK, that's a 300% increase. I've never held or shot a Seecamp or Guardian, but I had a PPK .380, and I just don't like blowback guns.

sm
January 7, 2003, 09:02 PM
Keltec seems true to their commitment to build CCW pcs that fit a price range, and backs up with service. Listen to gun owners, supports RKBA, and not just resting -but continuing to R&D.

Gotta drive some anti's and politicians Batty:D

sm
January 7, 2003, 09:06 PM
I don't have a P-32...but wondering...those of you that do...

You guys gonna have both, trade in, sell, or what?

Blackhawk, I think I know your answer:D
[yeah, we guessed one right huh?]

PATH
January 7, 2003, 09:15 PM
I have to get me one of these P3's. Wow a .380 in a size a tad bigger than the P32. That is awesome!

Blackhawk
January 7, 2003, 09:22 PM
The size differences don't even come near a "tad", they're more like teeeniny. :D

0.060" longer than a P-32
0.020" taller than a P-32

Those are spark plug gap differences!

A really neat thing is that the P-3 will fit in all the holsters, etc., exactly the way the P-32 does!

I'm impressed.

9x19
January 7, 2003, 10:06 PM
I'll be keeping the 9mms and .32s and add on the .380! :D

vertigo7
January 7, 2003, 10:28 PM
I've been holding out on a new BUG gun purchase until I could find an East German Makarov, but this new Kel-Tec gun will definitely fit the bill for a tiny BUG while I'm searching for my Mak.

vertigo7

BogBabe
January 7, 2003, 10:32 PM
:)

I put off my P-32 purchase so long that they've come out with something even better! I know what my next handgun purchase will be.

bad_dad_brad
January 7, 2003, 11:29 PM
I don't see any reason for the .380 over a .32? Like the .25 (although I love my Jetfire) I just wish the .380 would go away. The .380 is a compromise round, made to fire in smaller blowback designs, and I think, unless you already own one, it is obsolete.

Thanks to the Seecamp and Win Silvertips, there is not much difference in stopping power between a .380 and a modern .32. Modern .32 ammo today is quite good. And I would rather have the two extra rounds in the P32. If you are going to jump from .32 to the next caliber, then the 9mm is the next step.

Just a little tweaking and the P32 could be transformed into a pistol that could could shoot standard pressure 9mm. That is what I am waiting for!

But of course, Kel Tec will submit the .380 first, sell a bunch, and then offer the 9mm a few years later.

Lures do not catch fish, they catch fishermen.

Marketing.

alamo
January 8, 2003, 12:08 AM
The P-32 comparison specs I posted earlier came from Kel-Tec's website under the P-32 info. here:

http://www.kel-tec.com/prod02.htm

P-32 / P-3AT

Weight: 6.6 oz / 7.3 oz
Length: 5.1" / 5.16"
Height: 3.5" / 3.52"
Width: 0.75" / 0.75"
Capacity: 7+1 / 6+1

Here is another comparison to the P-32 from specs at another part of Kel-Tec's website. These P-32 specs may be more accurate as the above appear to be rounded. The given specs for the P-3AT may be rounded too. I added barrel length to the comparison. These P-32 specs came from here:

http://kel-tec.com/serv01.htm

P-32 / P-3AT

Weight: 6.6 oz / 7.3 oz
Length: 5.06" / 5.16"
Height: 3.52" / 3.52"
Width: 0.74" / 0.75"
Barrel length: 2.68" / 2.76"
Capacity: 7+1 / 6+1

Someone asked about a picture. There are none right now. All that is known is from a single e-mail sent by a gunsmith at KT. There should probably be an ad in a gun rag soon as there was on KT's new SU-16 Sport Utility Rifle. Someone saw that on Friday in their new issue of "Guns & Ammo". That was the first anyone had ever heard of it outside of Kel-Tec.

cratz2
January 8, 2003, 12:58 AM
Looks like I might be getting a .380 again.

As soon as the serial number is up around 10,000. ;)

shooter.45
January 8, 2003, 11:41 AM
I have a P32 now and might have to add a .380 now I was looking for a .380 anyway. Now I know which one. I love my P32 now it can have a big brother..:D

Felonious Monk
January 8, 2003, 12:12 PM
I will definitely be adding a P-3AT to my stable of Kel-Tecs.

The P32 is my wife's.
The P11 is mine.

We may have to get 2 of the .380's, 'cause I see a turf battle coming on! :rolleyes:

ruger357
January 8, 2003, 12:43 PM
I think we are going to see a lot of used P-32's on the market.

yzguy
January 8, 2003, 01:16 PM
some one on the KTOG board brought up that since the specs are so close there might even be a conversion for the P-32 (Totally speculation here), but that would be soooo cool. I'm one of those that would wait a while before picking up a P-3AT (wait for the prices to settle, and bugs, if any, to be worked out), but a conversion kit would be an immediate must have :).

oh and:
The .380 is a compromise round...

may be true, but EVERY round short of a 12 guage is a compromise isn't it?? After all I'd rather have a .32 than a .22 or a .380 than a .32 or... We just want the largest round in the smallest package that's all!! :)

Watch-Six
January 8, 2003, 01:24 PM
IMHO the 380 is a useful gain over the 32. If you believe the one stop shot stats it doesn't look like it. The energy is certainly higher for the 380 and the wound diameter will probably be somewhat greater. More importantly in the KelTec platform, good bye rimlocks! I know that not every P32 has had problems with this, but MINE did and I know many others who also had troubles. That alone is enough reason to dump the 32ACP in a Kel Tec. Watch-Six

alamo
January 8, 2003, 01:39 PM
No conversion kit for your P-32. I spoke to KT this morning. The frame & grip are slightly larger and it won't work.

DonP
January 8, 2003, 08:06 PM
I've been looking for another 380 so I can retire my Colt Government Pocketlite and I love my P-32.

I'm assuming it will be a locked breech, double action like the P-32.

I agree that I will wait for the serial numbers to creep up there a ways and the prices to creep down. Any word ont he asking price yet?

They always listed the P-32 at $275 to $300 but most folks picked them up for $215 to $225 I think.

Don P.

telewinz
January 8, 2003, 09:28 PM
If the new Kel-Tec .380 does have a locked breech it will be a reloader's dream. I have 33 year old loading data for locked breech .380's that allows them to obtain close to 290 lbs of energy. Tried these loads once in an old Remington 51 using lead bullets and had no problems. Ain't no way I'm going to list the loads through!:D

Kilgor
January 8, 2003, 10:20 PM
Looking forward to it.

Coot
January 8, 2003, 10:41 PM
I have a P32 and love it- in a 1000 rounds it's never failed to reliably feed/fire, shoots to POA with minimal recoil- I could go on... my only complaint is the cost of ammo- around $9.00 a box wholesale and up; the .32ACP is just too small for me to consider reloading.

Now comes the .380 version, a caliber I already load 500 rounds a year for the wife's P230 (for $5.00 a box or less). Time to order some more .380 brass, I'm afraid...

customfret
January 8, 2003, 10:46 PM
Guess this will end the discussion of who will get to carry the P-32 today..... Think I'll just GIVE it to her now & suffer until May. ;-)

Longbow
January 9, 2003, 02:48 AM
:) :) ' can't wait. Me lik 2 C piktur too!

RH Factor
January 9, 2003, 12:16 PM
OK...OK...OK....let me get this straight.......I just bought a P32 last week....and I have a Colt Gov't 380. So what your saying is.......
I'm not in a real good position:cuss:
If I didn't have bad luck...I'd have none at all:(

BLiTzNicK
January 9, 2003, 05:39 PM
How in the world can you cram 6 rounds of .380 into a grip that holds only 7 rounds of .32? I mean the dimensions listed here only show a width difference of either 0 or 0.010". It just doesn't seem possible to me. If they did it though, P3-AT will be a winner.

clange
January 10, 2003, 03:08 AM
OK...OK...OK....let me get this straight.......I just bought a P32 last week....and I have a Colt Gov't 380. So what your saying is.......
I'm not in a real good position
If I didn't have bad luck...I'd have none at all
Same here, i also just got a P32. Oh well.

Blackhawk
January 10, 2003, 03:14 AM
telewinz,If the new Kel-Tec .380 does have a locked breech it will be a reloader's dream. Locked breech. Take it to the bank. I don't think George Kelgren would even consider making a pistol that wasn't a locked breech design.

(That's one of the things I like about KT.... :D )

Blackhawk
January 10, 2003, 03:16 AM
Same here, i also just got a P32. Oh well. Not to worry. Your P-32s will still have all the advantages they ever had. :D

mini14jac
January 13, 2003, 10:09 AM
We've got 2 P32s, but I'm not worried.
A loaded P32 will be just a tad smaller and lighter than a loaded .380. Our P32s will always have a home.
Besides, I don't know if my wife will care for the recoil of a .380 in a P32-sized gun. She's not crazy about shooting her P32. :(

After getting an early Guardian .32, and an early P32, I'll wait about a year before looking at the .380 version.
I'm tired of doing T&E for free. :rolleyes:

Even when KelTec rolled out P32s, it was a year or so before they started showing up around here, and then they were still working out the bugs.
I've got a PM9 to hold me over. :D

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