CNN propogates the myth gun show = no background check


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gtee03
April 24, 2007, 09:21 AM
I wish these people would get their facts straight....even once.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/24/gun.loophole/index.html

But even if Virginia had put Cho in the database, he could still have sidestepped the background check by buying his firearms at a gun show or from a private seller.

Those types of transactions account for about half of the guns sold in the United States each year.

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ptmmatssc
April 24, 2007, 09:48 AM
What amazes me about the so called "gun show loophole" is that ALL the gun shows around my area require the sellers to have an FFL and do background checks at the show . So where's the "loophole"? I know the gun show we hold yearly at our club disallows sales in the parking lot etc and only allows sales that have a NICS check performed within the gun show itself . I would like to see any investigative report showing this loophole they speak about , but it will never happen because it's non existent .

LAK
April 24, 2007, 09:52 AM
.... Or from a private ad in a newspaper. Or a supermarket bulletin board. Or from any one of a few million people he might have come into contact with in a club, classroom, on a beach, at an auto show, dance lessons, etc etc .. that had a gun for sale at the time.

We really do not need to be put on the defensive over "background checks" - since in the overall picture of crime, the myth commonly referred to as "gun control", and shooting incidents like that involving Cho, "background checks" are really quite meaningless.

They only have meaning if it is the overall law of the land, in every state, for every transaction, personal, private, commercial or otherwise. And even then, the meaning only applies to people who want to remain within the law, and the gov that wishes to have some control, and all information, over them.

This is the agenda, and control and information are the goal. Nothing more, nothing less. CNN are simply playing their usual ubiquitous part in the propaganda campaign this end.

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kfranz
April 24, 2007, 09:53 AM
What amazes me about the so called "gun show loophole" is that ALL the gun shows around my area require the sellers to have an FFL and do background checks at the show . So where's the "loophole"? I know the gun show we hold yearly at our club disallows sales in the parking lot etc and only allows sales that have a NICS check performed within the gun show itself . I would like to see any investigative report showing this loophole they speak about , but it will never happen because it's non existent

I'm not an investigative reporter, but all my private party purchases have been at gunshows. None have required a background check. State law and club rules are the only regulations that apply.

Remember kids, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.

Redneck with a 40
April 24, 2007, 10:00 AM
A co-worker of mine has an FFL license. According to him, he can sell the gun to himself, then take it to a gun show, put a price tag on it and sell it as a "private transaction". To me, this is un-ethical, but its a way around the law and I would not be surprised if some dealers do it.

Why they would want to do this is beyond me, its just asking for trouble. Why would you not want to run the check, the customer pays for it.

deltacharlie
April 24, 2007, 10:06 AM
Remember kids, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.Exactly!
"W" says we are in a "fight for our principles" ... yeah, and not just against the Islam-0-facists either!! There's a (civil)cold-war going on here in America and the media's dis-information is just one aspect of it.

"Gun show loophole", "side stepped", "registered in database", buzz words and code phrases of B.S. & social engineering.

Yeah, it's ALL about control and our guns are the only things standing in their way of their totalitarian control.

98C5
April 24, 2007, 10:19 AM
What CNN, FoxNews, etc, needs is a small panel of 5-6 people on this or another forum to educate the media with facts and info. Nugent is okay, but he is just another celebrity. Have a round table discussion on what inconsistancies the media is portraying and back it up with documentation. All these shows have the same d@mn people talking about guns and gun control. We need fresh meat in there!!!

kfranz
April 24, 2007, 10:30 AM
What they all need to do is report, rather than provide 70 seconds of infotainment.

Colt
April 24, 2007, 10:37 AM
Just to be clear, does an FFL always need to be involved in a handgun transaction? I was under the impression that longarms can be sold private party, but that the FFLs and NICs checks are required for handguns.

In other words, I can walk into the show and buy the door-lurker's Garand myself, but if he has a 1911, I need to take it to a table and get an FFL involved. Correct?

98C5
April 24, 2007, 10:41 AM
Here in Va, if a door lurker has a 1911 and/or a rifle, you can buy both from him and walk away. There is no FFL required. However anything bought from a table-renting dealer must fill out ALL paperwork for a sale, regardless if it is a rifle or pistol. On a sidenote, Virginia has the 30 day waiting period. HOWEVER, if you have a CCW permit, I can buy 10 pistols at once if I want, regardless of the seller and the 30 day period is waived.

See here:
The 1993 Virginia General Assembly amended and reenacted 18.2-308.2:2, Code of Virginia, making it unlawful for any person who is not a licensed firearms dealer to purchase more than 1 handgun within any 30-day period. The Virginia State Police is responsible for accepting and processing the Multiple Handgun Purchase Application and Multiple Handgun Purchase Certificate, when purchases in excess of one handgun within a 30-day period can be justified.

A Certificate is Not Necessary in the Following Circumstances:

-Replacement of a handgun for a handgun that is stolen or irretrievably lost when it is deemed that the handgun be replaced immediately. Such person may purchase another handgun provided the person provides the firearms dealer with a completed form SP-194, Lost/Stolen Handgun Report. The SP-194 is a supplemental report completed by law enforcement officers as verification of a lost or stolen handgun to authorize replacement of one handgun, which was purchased within the last thirty-day period, pursuant to 18.2-308.2:2. This form can be viewed, downloaded and/or printed by visiting the Virginia State Police Forms page.
-Trade-in of a handgun at the same time a handgun is purchased and as a part of the same transaction, provided that no more than one transaction of this nature is completed per day.
Exchange or replacement of a handgun by a seller for a handgun purchased from such seller by the same person seeking the exchange or replacement within the thirty-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
Purchase of multiple handguns by a private security company licensed to do business within the Commonwealth.
Purchase of multiple handguns by a law-enforcement agency or agency duly authorized to perform law-enforcement duties.
-When in possession of a valid Virginia permit to carry a concealed handgun.
-When purchasing handguns in a private sale. A private sale means purchase from a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection of curios or relics as herein defined, or who sells all or part of such collection of curios and relics.
-Purchase of antique firearms. An antique firearm is defined as:
Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898;
-Any replica of any firearm described in subdivision 1 of this definition if such replica (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade;
-Any muzzle-loading rifle, muzzle-loading shotgun, or muzzle-loading pistol that is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and that cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subdivision, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon that incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm that is converted into a muzzle-loading weapon, or any muzzle-loading weapon that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breech-block, or any combination thereof; or
-Any curio or relic firearm that is of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories: (1) Firearms that were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, which use rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade, but not including replicas thereof; (2) Firearms that are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and (3) Any other firearms that derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collectors' items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less

kfranz
April 24, 2007, 10:46 AM
Colt, it's a state law thing. WI is cash and carry between private parties, no distinction between long/handgun

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