Need help picking self-defense only knife...


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DomMega
April 24, 2007, 07:11 PM
Thinking of buying a defensive only knife as part of my CCW rig when I move to Arizona. I've been looking at quite a few blades and have found some nice Ka-Bars, Columbia River (recommended by a Marine friend of mine), and the Smith and Wesson tactical. I think I'm in the market for a tanto point, as I like the strength of the blade for penetration, however I'm not going to pretend I know what would be the best deal.

I have a membership to the buyer's club on Cheaperthandirt.com and would like to shop there for obvious reasons but if not its not a super big deal if I can find something of extreme value and usage. Like I said this will be a self-defense only knife so I won't be opening boxes with it and will in fact be carrying it everyday out here in Cali seeing its about all we're allowed to carry. We've been a communist state for quite some time now.

Either way, anything you guys can recommend or point me to would be definitely appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-Dom

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Sistema1927
April 24, 2007, 07:57 PM
The Kabar Law Enforcement TDI (http://www.knivesplus.com/ka-bar-knife-tdi-ka-1480.html).

(Not necessarily from that vendor, that was the first link that Google returned.)

MarshallDodge
April 24, 2007, 08:08 PM
I really like my Benchmades:

Stryker (Tanto blade, available in an auto -- 9100 series)
Some models are now discontinued :confused:
http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_list.aspx?keyword=stryker&typeId=1

Griptillian:
I have the 556 but the 553 is available with a Tanto blade:
http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_list.aspx?keyword=griptilian

hso
April 24, 2007, 09:17 PM
There have been endless discussions on defensive knives here in NFW. You can find as many recommendations as there are members (or more). From $7.00 Chicago Cutlery 3.5" paring knives to $300.00 folders. As long as you don't buy an inferior product (Smith and Wesson) it hardly matters.

What is important is whether you get any training to use that knife.

jahwarrior
April 24, 2007, 11:10 PM
you didn't specify fixed or folding, or what size. cold steel has a few very nice folders, all of which are legal for CC in cali. spydercos are my personal favorites, especially the spyderco chinook II. if money's not an issue, i'd invest in an emerson, especially the karambit. other brand choices are:
benchmade (though i never held one i liked, people love them for a reason)
crkt (lots of good knives on the cheap)
hide away knives, or HAKs (i own one; it rules!)
ka-bar (especially the TDIs)

you kind of asked one of those questions that are impossible to answer, like, what's the best gun out there for concealed carry? it's just a matter of personal taste. if there's a sporting goods or knife store near you, i'd go there and pick up a few to get a feel for them.

CWL
April 24, 2007, 11:27 PM
Your choice of SD knife should depend solely on what style of self defense you plan on using, not what people on the internet recommend. I've never been in a knife fight (I have seen one), and neither have most of the people that will post here. Why do you want our advice?

Whatever martial arts you study will influence the style of knife; even if you do not practice any style your selection of knife should lend itself to what are the most likely motions that you will make in a SD situation.

Most people (trained or untrained) tend to slash with a knife rather than stab, perhaps you should pay more attention to a knife designed to make deep aggressive cuts? (Spydie chinook will fill this role) Tanto points may be cool, but unless you are practiced in pushing a knife into someone's vitals all that point will be good for is showing off. A spearpoint may be more functional for general carry.

I'd suggest that you take some time in considering what you want to do with a knife before choosing anything.

DomMega
April 25, 2007, 03:35 AM
Thanks for the replies gentleman. It's just one of those things that I find myself not very well-versed with. I would prefer a folder and I also wouldn't expect to slash in a knife fight (not that I ever want to be in one) more so than plunging the blade into vitals. When I took Kenpo and some other various fighting arts I learned a great deal about where to strike if a blade is all you have. What to look for and where most attackers aren't expecting to get penetrated. I'm certainly no professional and would definitely look into further training, but I just wanted a general consensus on if you boys advocating anything over the other. Ultimately it does come down to how it feels, how balanced the blade feels in your hand, so on so forth.

Thanks for the replies, I'll take everything you said into consideration as well as stay away from those Smith and Wessons. If anyone has anything else they'd like to throw my way it would certainly be appreciated. :cool:

-Dom

Risasi
April 30, 2007, 10:37 PM
If you are looking for a folder: CRKT M16 series. Fast (I mean very fast) one-hand open and close. Cheap, so you can lose it without being out too much money. 3.5" blade, so usually you can even carry concealed. If I were looking for a self defense only knife it would be a full tang knife.



Personally, knives are a very dirty business in a fight. You had best decide if you have the resolve to basically "sucker punch" a guy who is attacking when you wish to defend yourself with a knife. The weird rubbery slick/scratchy feel of pentrating muscle and bouncing off of bone is NOT pleasant. A knife should never come out in an altercation until the last moment, it is much harder to counter a knife if you don't know it's there until too late. Expect to have his blood all over you, and if he is armed with knife or firearm expect you have yours all over you too.

Even though I carry a knife everywhere, I find I use it more for digging, prying, utility cutting. Just remember club trumps knife. Gun trumps both. However at most self defense distances a knife in the hand beats a gun on the belt every time. Good situational awareness will identify more useful weapons than a lowly knife.

LanEvo`
May 1, 2007, 12:04 AM
Thinking of buying a defensive only knife as part of my CCW rig when I move to Arizona....I think I'm in the market for a tanto point, as I like the strength of the blade for penetration...I would prefer a folder.You don't mention your budget. But if you want a robust, tanto bladed folder for defensive use, one of the "modern classics" is the Emerson CQC-7:

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/emerson/images/CQC-7BW-BT.JPG

I have a similar model, and it came razor sharp from the factory. It's held up to around 10 years of use (and some abuse as well).

mp510
May 1, 2007, 12:44 AM
Against most threats, I would rather be unarmed than have to get up close and personal with a knife.

In order to stab somebody, you need to get within their arms reach- same as if you punch or kick them.. Once you introduce a weapon, you are giving them the oppertunity to take control of an implement that the WILL (if they have 2 brain cells) take control of and use to KILL or seriously injur YOU.

As weapons, knives are good killing tools but suck for self defense, or for the person who introduces the knife into the situation in the case of the agrssor who brings a knife to the fight.

I have been on the unarmed self defense end of a real world knife attack. With how easy it was for me to disarm the attacker, I learned how easy it is for a BG to grab a knife out of my hands if I ever pulled one (in SD) against another human.

I would rather pray that my Surefire would be a viable SD tool than my knife- regardless of how tactical and black that knife may be.

Mannix
May 1, 2007, 05:49 AM
If you have the training, more power to you, but a SD purposes a knife is a difficult weapon to use, as you can be easily disarmed. Just keep in mind that though you follow the laws pertaining to carrying weapons, BGs don't. So if you pull a knife, and the BG has a gun concealed, he may then consider you threat, pull the gun out, and shoot you.

Fosbery
May 1, 2007, 09:24 AM
Avoid Smith & Wesson like the plague.

Benchmade are great for tantos. Their new HK line (unlike previous HK knives in my opinion) is great. The 14255 is a good tanto:

http://www.benchmade.com/loading.aspx?model=14255

If you don't need a tanto, the new Becnhmade Snody 14205 looks absolutely superb (not got one yet but I will be doing so):

http://www.benchmade.com/loading.aspx?model=14205

Emerson are also great, like the CQC 7:

http://emersonknives.com/HardWear_index.html

Do you have blade length restrictions? Do you know a specific style of fighting? Do you have a price bracket?

Though, as others have said, I wouldn't reccomend a knife for self-defence. A kubaton or pepper spray would serve you much better, and probably be a lot cheaper.

hso
May 1, 2007, 10:26 AM
as you can be easily disarmed

Please explain.

MudCamper
May 1, 2007, 01:44 PM
My current favorite:

http://www.bestdarnknives.com/Columbia_River_M21_14SF_Serrated_p/crm21-14sf.htm

Large folder, with a hilt. Very easy to open. Good quality and reasonable price.

mp510
May 1, 2007, 03:24 PM
as you can be easily disarmed
Please explain.

I didn't post the original comment, but my post was to similar effect, so I'll justify his comment based on my personal experience.

Bear in mind that I have actuallly disarmed an individual of a knife in self defense. My commentary largely bases out of that incident.

To give background on my incident, again, I was attacked by an individual armed with a Leatherman tool, a PST if I recall, though it may have been a supertool. That really is a non-issue. The knife blade was extended.

For further understanding, I am a 6'0" 185 LB white male. The assailant was a Latino male, between 5'6" and 5'8" and was stocky, probably a little bit heavier than I.

Being alert, I noticed the knife in his hand before the attack began, but did not have the ability to retreat as would have been preferable. He had a dog that was off-leash, and I was concerned that I could be chased down and mauled if I ran. Furthermore, he was moving forward towards me in what I percieved to be a hostile manner. I determined that I had no choice but to stand my ground. Bear in mind that I was unarmed- no knife, no gun, no cell phone (didn't own one until about 16-18 months later).

I continued to proceed forward, my original direction of travel to prevent an attack from the rear. If I was wrong, and he just happend to be idiotically carrying an open knife, I did not initate any violent action- no harm, no foul. As I expected he rushed up to me, demanding "money".

Immediately thereafter, he thrust the knife at my throat, missing by a matter of about 2"-3" to my left side. The knife was thrust from his right side. Using my right (dominant hand), I grabbed his wrist, forced it down, twisted it and applied significant pressure. His hand opened and the knife dropped.

I immediately kicked it off to the side. My right hand continued to restrain his hand to prevent him from striking me. During that time (very very short elapsed time), he attempted to suck punch my with his other hand, though I blocked that attempt with my left arm (yes, my arms crossed- bad move- I know). I kneed him in the lower abdoman, notice a means of ascape to my right, and took.

Lessons Leanred
1. weapons brung close to another person are liable to be grabbed. If it's in arms reach, he can grab it.
2. Unlike a handgun that has a vaguly right angle grip, the can be used as leverage against a grab, a knife is straight line, and can easily be removed without even touching the knife while it is in hand. Had I been a bad guy, I could have picked the knife up and easily stabbed him.
3. I was in better physical shape than said assailant. Made it easier to defeat him, despite is higher BMI, lower center of gravity, due to his higher weight and lesser height.
4. Even a utilitarian, plain blade, even if it is only 2.75 or 3" scared the living **** out of me when it was coming towards my throat at an upward angle. I can remember that vision to this day. Don't think I'll ever forget it.

Since then, I have also figured that had I not grabbed his wrist and instead did grab for the knife, I still could have disarmed him with no or superficial hand injuries to slightly more serious one. If a criminal was so dedicated, he could easily put an individual 6' under, while himself only getting minor injuries. I consider even serious hand lecerations to be relatively minor compared to death.

LanEvo`
May 1, 2007, 03:46 PM
I just don't see how you'd be better off without a weapon than with a weapon in a self-defense situation (assuming, of course, that you know how to use that weapon). The argument that it's better to be unarmed otherwise an assailant "will just take it and use it against you" doesn't sit right with me.

I'd rather be armed with a weapon I'm comfortable with and trained to use. If I was attacked, I'd be pretty confident with a razor sharp CQC-7 in my hand. If my attacker is skilled enough to wrest it from my grip...then I'm in pretty serious trouble one way or the other.

kellyj00
May 1, 2007, 03:55 PM
What did OJ use? it seemed pretty good for self-defense.

mp510
May 1, 2007, 05:15 PM
What did OJ use? it seemed pretty good for self-defense.
Unless your very well trained in martial arts and are very athletic and strong, a knife is a good killing implement but a poor choice for self defense.


I just don't see how you'd be better off without a weapon than with a weapon in a self-defense situation (assuming, of course, that you know how to use that weapon). The argument that it's better to be unarmed otherwise an assailant "will just take it and use it against you" doesn't sit right with me.

I'd rather be armed with a weapon I'm comfortable with and trained to use. If I was attacked, I'd be pretty confident with a razor sharp CQC-7 in my hand. If my attacker is skilled enough to wrest it from my grip...then I'm in pretty serious trouble one way or the other.
For a majority of circumstances where the knife would be drawn, introducing a weapon will compound the possibnility of injury to you, given the ease in disarmament. If the perp is assaulting you with a projectile weapon, taser, baton or most other weapons, you'll do about as well with a knife as you will without. For the other circumstances, your mitigating liability. When you introduce a weapon, there is a factor of positives v. liabilities that needs to be be figured. The liabilities outway the positive potential outcomes for me to believe carrying a knife as a good self defense option. The fact of the matter is, dedicating a knife for SD leaves more than a necesary amount of liability potential.

In all honesty wrestling a knife out of someones hand was not all that difficult for me to do. I have 0 martial arts training and I'm not a body builder.

Your goal should be to minimize liabilities, not add liabilities. I have no problem with armed self defense- I just believe that believing that tangoing with a knife, especially a short blade folder that requires one to get up-close and personal is a bad idea. It's going to give you a false sense of security.

You seem to propogate the idea that the bad guy dosen't know what he's doing. That's a very bad position to take. It's better to assume a competent enemy and have to fight an incompetent one. That's the type of danmgerous mentality that gets good people killed.

DomMega
May 1, 2007, 10:05 PM
I wouldn't recommend a knife for self-defense either, but I live in California so its pretty much knife and fox pepper spray. I don't forsee too many assailants really getting past the pepper spray but if they do, I'd rather have a blade and use it if they can't see anything.

As far as styles of fighting it was mostly pressure point and major artery points when I was learning knife fighting in Kenpo, what little I was taught.

Thanks for sharing that story mp510, I had a similar one I posted in the general discussion forum about how I had a gun pulled on me in a liquor store on Christmas Day last year and escaped defenseless. I know the feeling and know it well, although it will never happen again without me being more ready for it next time.

I like that Emerson CQC and coincidentally I saw the M16 CRKT on cheaper than dirt and as soon as they restock the one I'm looking at I'll purchase it. Although if the price is right on some of those others you gentleman mentioned I may very well go that route as well.

mrtgbnkr
May 1, 2007, 10:28 PM
When I hear "knife for self defense only" I immediately think of the Spyderco Civilian. Designed purely for slashing...virtually no other usefulness.

rtrwv
May 1, 2007, 11:56 PM
Inexpensive and has multi use purpose. From AG Russel Knives from 19.95 as pictured .


http://www.agrussell.com/var/storage/original/image/phpoYnEPx.jpg

coelacanth
May 2, 2007, 08:06 PM
to mp510, I am glad your encounter with the knife wielding bad guy turned out as it did, but just as with firearms, training and experience are invaluable when dealing with edged weapons. Maybe you're that good but maybe you just got lucky. Showing him your own blade and turning an armed vs. unarmed encounter into a possible knife fight would likely have worked as well without the need for physical contact. Most any blade-fixed or folding employed in a strictly defensive or counter strike mode can be effective and disarming someone using the blade in such a manner is an order of magnitude more difficult than disarming an attacker. Had the dog decided to attack you as well, a knife would have been mighty useful. Most untrained dogs will not continue to press an attack after receiving a significant wound.

Skofnung
May 2, 2007, 08:13 PM
MP510, if everything went down in your situation as you have described, you should have gone to the nearest convenience store and bought a lottery ticket. Luck was with you.

It sounds like your attacker was either incompetent, lacked the will to really harm you, or a combination thereof.

If an individual has even a small amount of training or seriously means you bodily harm, it is not at all easy to disarm them without getting cut.

In response to the DomMega, I suggest looking at the Spyderco line of knives and then getting some training.

mp510
May 2, 2007, 10:04 PM
Just for clarification, In my situation the assailant was:
- An appx 16 year old punk
-Was definetely out of shape, and I presume incompetent and probably did not expect any resistance. He was probably looking for a quick buck- maybe a wallet or something.

to mp510, I am glad your encounter with the knife wielding bad guy turned out as it did, but just as with firearms, training and experience are invaluable when dealing with edged weapons. Maybe you're that good but maybe you just got lucky. Showing him your own blade and turning an armed vs. unarmed encounter into a possible knife fight would likely have worked as well without the need for physical contact. Most any blade-fixed or folding employed in a strictly defensive or counter strike mode can be effective and disarming someone using the blade in such a manner is an order of magnitude more difficult than disarming an attacker. Had the dog decided to attack you as well, a knife would have been mighty useful. Most untrained dogs will not continue to press an attack after receiving a significant wound.
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For clarification: The point of my story was not to say an individual should not carry a weapon for SD or suggest it's a good idea to go unarmed against a guy with weapon. By know means is it a smart idea. My point was to illustrate the propensity for weapons retention with a knife to be very poor, and that an assailant with a will can easily disarm you. Remember, when you bring a weapon to an individual, if you can't keep control of it, you'll get messed up. There's a reason why more often than not, the weapon used to fatally shoot a police officer was that officers own duty weapon.


Dom-
I feel you. Make sure you get retention training.

coelacanth
May 2, 2007, 10:24 PM
If I misread or misinterpreted your previous post - my bad. I did not intend my comments to be in any way disparaging - only indicative of my own experience and training. Peace.

DrLaw
May 3, 2007, 01:00 AM
Okay, I have been thinking of upgrading to a folding knife a little bigger than the freebie I got a couple years ago with a B.A.S.S. subscription. I figure that about a 3-1/2 in blade will work fine for me.

I know nothing about steels, folders, folders with assist, etc...

Any recommendations? Tanto, serrated, etc...? (Yes, it would also be a last ditch weapon) (Also, why are S&W knives being put down here?)

The Doc is out hoping somebody gives him a prescription now. :cool:

hso
May 3, 2007, 01:30 AM
mp510,

Take this for what it's worth, but the guy that "attacked" you was not representative of someone intent upon using a knife to harm someone else. Your single sample isn't a great basis for a general statement. You did great in disarming him and showed exceptional presence of mind, but as you suspect he lacked the experience and will to harm you. This is evidenced by the use of a leatherman and the showing of the knife prior to use.

Someone intent upon using a knife would have carried something a little more suitable even if it was a cheap WalMart steak knife. They would have never let you see it before grabbing you and using it. An experienced violent mugger wouldn't have ever let you see the blade before he was upon you menacing you in contact range with it. It detracts from the shock value and reduces the effect of the ambush.

The problem with disarming someone with a knife is that you can get cut very easily. Usually this occurs on hands or arm. Once cut many people loose the will to continue the fight even if they still have the physical ability. Those with the will to continue are still at a physical disadvantage having been cut and are subject to being cut again. And again.

Assuming one of our members was no more experienced in using a knife than your mugger and they make the mistake of assuming that the very presence of a knife will be sufficient to win the fight, I agree that it vergs upon stupidity to carry one and depend upon it to "magically" turn the tables on an attacker. But, add just an afternoon's training and the situation changes greatly. The reality of how to use the knife defensively then becomes different from the fantasy.

I congratulate you on your courage and your luck and quick thinking and am glad everything turned out well, but be careful in assuming that this single event is representative of all encounters with a knife.

Fosbery
May 3, 2007, 11:47 AM
Smith & Wesson knives are constructed from inferior materials with subpar workmanship. I bought one just to see what it was like - the lock was very insecure, I wouldn't have trusted it anymore than a slipjoint, and just opening and closing it actually wore the blade away, so much that with regular use the lock would become unusable. It was a pain to sharpen and wouldn't take much of an edge, the thumbstud came loose and eventually fell off. The blade got scratched and the coating on the handle wore off. This all from just testing it out over a couple of weeks, I wasn't trying to cut steel cables or anything. In addition, the thumbstuds could not be used because the flipper was too big and got caught on your hand, there was some blade play, and the blade's hilt/flipper had jagged edges. For a mid-sive folder, in terms of blade length, it was big and heavy. The pocket clip sucked too. I don't think I've ever used a worse folding knife than a Smith & Wesson. I've used a Smith & Wesson 610 which was a fine gun (even though I'm not a fan of DA revolvers) but for cheap knives a Byrd (from Spyderco) or Red Line (from Benchmade) would be infinitely better. To be fair to S&W, they don't actually make the knives. They're produced in SE Asia and just given the S&W label.

sixgunner455
May 3, 2007, 12:10 PM
I give S&W some room because they don't make the knives, but they have to know that the quality isn't there, and it is a poor use of the branding rights to label such sub-par things with the same label as their firearms.

Ghostdog
May 4, 2007, 01:24 PM
Dom-

Reading your post, I wonder about the liability of pressing an attack with a knife after the assailant has been sprayed. If witnessed, others would testify to that fact or your assailant (now the "victim") might as well. IMO, my first plan is to create an escape avenue and gtfo. Perhaps I misunderstood.

waterhouse
May 4, 2007, 02:25 PM
I've never had to use it in a defensive situation, but if someone else chose to put me in such a situation I would much rather have my knife than no knife.

For strictly defensive use (not daily use, cutting boxes, etc.) I like the line of hideaway knives. I would have to be unconscious for someone to take it from me and use it against me. Probably more than you want to spend, and the wait list is lengthy if they don't already have your size in stock, but IMO worth it.

Scottso
May 4, 2007, 03:21 PM
Get A kerambit, and Train. best SD Knife I've ever owned, but you must Train with it!!

steeltiger
May 4, 2007, 08:00 PM
spyderco police, harpy or cold steel land and sea rescue, are good midsize combat folders.
the only S&W knife I've owned FELL apart after two weeks of carry, therefore I do not trust them.

jahwarrior
May 4, 2007, 08:12 PM
yeah, s&w knives suck. and yeah, HAKs are great, if you have at least $80 to spend. other than that, there is no "best" knife for self defense. the best knife is the one you can grab, draw, open and swing the fastest. in terms of strength and reliability, i'd pick a fixed blade. the problem with knives is the same problem people have with guns and holsters; you constantly by a new one to see if it's better than the old one, or you just want one for a different application. i have a drawer FULL of knives, folders and fixed, that all see some use occasionally, but i only ever use 2 or 3 on a regular day-to-day basis. they are: a utility HAK, a spyderco chinook II, and the spyderco karambit.

Trooper720
May 6, 2007, 04:51 PM
I carry three knives while on duty as an LEO. 1 Clipped in my pocket and two others hidden and accessible as strictly weapons of last chance. Those two are cold steel safe makers. Not really good for anything much other than hopefully getting an attacker off me if all else has failed and I'm about to die or be very seriously injured.

KINGMAX
May 6, 2007, 05:00 PM
For about $32 you can get a GLOCK fighting knife.

Matt_W
May 14, 2007, 05:15 PM
I may have been guilty in the past of saying that knives are not very good for SD, however recently a doorman attempted to arrest an individual who used a knife to hamstring him and escape - he was eventually arrested by an off-duty police officer and the doorman's colleague. The unfortunate victim might lose the use of his lower leg completely.

Now if it had been a case of the knifer using his knife in lawful self defence it would provide us with a strong example of how effective knives can be to create space to escape.

RancidSumo
May 19, 2007, 05:37 PM
The knife I carry most places (not for self defense, just for a tool) would probably work good for self defense, if you got the size bigger than mine. It is a Buck Assisted Opening. It comes in a 2.5 and 3 inch blade I think and opens very, very fast with a very small amount of movement from you. It is a great knife that I think would work well for your purposes and it costs $90. I would look into that if I were you.

But it is like my dad said when I baught this knofe and the guy at the store mentiond that it would be a good defense knife, "My self defense is better and it holds 8 shots."

fletcher
May 20, 2007, 07:30 PM
For strictly defensive use (not daily use, cutting boxes, etc.) I like the line of hideaway knives

I second that - purchased one of those for my friend about a month ago (had never seen one in person), and it seems like a great knife. Compact, almost impossible to be disarmed, but as mentioned, the price is high ($70 for the cheapest one).

Joe Talmadge
May 20, 2007, 11:38 PM
Quote:For strictly defensive use (not daily use, cutting boxes, etc.) I like the line of hideaway knives

I second that - purchased one of those for my friend about a month ago (had never seen one in person), and it seems like a great knife. Compact, almost impossible to be disarmed, but as mentioned, the price is high ($70 for the cheapest one).

Heh, to keep things confusing, I recommend exactly the opposite. I love the Hideaway for utility use. I can cut something, then open my hand and manipulate with my fingers while the knife still stays attached to my fingers, then I simply close my hand and cut again. Beats picking up and putting down the knife each time.

For defensive use, I can understand a Hideaway as a last-ditch backup to something else, including a bigger knife. But I'd never pick something so small, that is useful mostly for slashes (at least in some blade shapes), and that is relatively hard to get my fingers into under stress (don't argue this point if you haven't stress-trained grabbing it under high pressure). I look at it as a great knife, but advise picking something bigger if the purpose is a primary defensive weapon and not a backup.

Joe Talmadge
May 20, 2007, 11:41 PM
Take this for what it's worth, but the guy that "attacked" you was not representative of someone intent upon using a knife to harm someone else. Your single sample isn't a great basis for a general statement. You did great in disarming him and showed exceptional presence of mind, but as you suspect he lacked the experience and will to harm you. This is evidenced by the use of a leatherman and the showing of the knife prior to use.

... snip ...

I congratulate you on your courage and your luck and quick thinking and am glad everything turned out well, but be careful in assuming that this single event is representative of all encounters with a knife.

Agree with this from A-Z. Glad the good guy won, but I think it's mistaken to the point of foolhardiness to think that this one situation is indicative of how untrained people fare with knives. For every story like this, unfortunately there's many many more where the good guy doesn't do as well. The knife is extremely primal and instinctive, and makes extremely formidable anyone, even the untrained, who has the mindset to use it. Which doesn't mean not to seek training, just to have a realistic view of what you (or an untrained bad guy) might be capable of.

Gordon
May 20, 2007, 11:59 PM
I have only been in one 'knife fight' in my life and the other guy had a bayonet and I had a Randall #1 7 1/4" and it was WAAAAAY too short even though I won and the other guy had severed tendons.
I disarmed a few knife weilders, but I had a gun. I out ran the rest when I wasn't.
These days when I use my Az CCW I carry my S&W SC1911PD in a Mad Dog Kydex holster and a Mad Dog Voo Doo Cat , also in Kydex . It is a 6" double edged knife and it is minimal IMHO. I am replaceing it with a 3/16" VooDoo Hound which is 7 1/4" but weighs the same.
In California I carry a 7" Folding Maxx by Darrel Ralph , as it is legal and my CCW doesn't cover concealed fixed blades-go figure!!!

old_22LR
May 21, 2007, 12:16 AM
I am a 6'0" 185 LB white male. The assailant was a Latino male, between 5'6" and 5'8" and was stocky, probably a little bit heavier than : you are so cool! mp510= ninja white guy!

poor_richard
May 23, 2007, 02:30 AM
If you want it for strictly SD, then I'd say it would be a good idea to get something with the Emerson Wave (any number of Emersons, or a Spyderco Endura). The Wave gives you the ability to deploy the blade as you pull the knife from your pocket (as opposed to opening it after retrieving it from your pocket). Nothing is faster than the Wave.

Go check out bladeforums with a question like this. There are lots of helpful people there with good advice.

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