New 870's... lock


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Nomad, 2nd
April 24, 2007, 07:50 PM
Is there a way to remove the lock on the safety of the new 870's and replace it with a regular safety?

Thank you.

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ArmedBear
April 24, 2007, 07:52 PM
Yes

Nomad, 2nd
April 24, 2007, 08:35 PM
How?

Any more difficult than replacing the safety?

Thank you

pdowg881
April 24, 2007, 08:42 PM
Is it just annoying to you? I just leave mine unlocked since its only a barely noticeable hole in the safety. Functions like a normal safety if you just forget about locking it.

zinj
April 24, 2007, 08:52 PM
Is it just annoying to you? I just leave mine unlocked since its only a barely noticeable hole in the safety. Functions like a normal safety if you just forget about locking it.

You can actually rotate the lock on with your fingers when the gun is on safe, but it cannot be rotated off without the key.

Back on topic, IIRC all you need to do is replace the safety button.

Mike U.
April 24, 2007, 09:00 PM
I just tried this on mine. You REALLY have to want to engage that puppy with the fingers to get it to lock sans key, but, surprisingly, it can be done. Thanks for that tip, zinj! I'da never noticed it otherwise.

Sure would suck big-time to be out in the field and accidentally lock it and then realize the key is at home. DOH!

zinj
April 24, 2007, 09:05 PM
Sure would suck big-time to be out in the field and accidentally lock it and then realize the key is at home. DOH!

Yeah, I "discovered" this when I was fiddling around with my gun one day. Spent the next hour tearing apart the house looking for where I left the key!

I doubt it could engage by itself, but now I throw the key in my vest when I go hunting.

PJR
April 24, 2007, 09:11 PM
I hate the J-lock. It's an easy change. You need a replacement safety, ball detent and safety spring. Here's a link to a thread with more info.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=238015

Man With A Gun
April 24, 2007, 09:21 PM
REMOVING THE 870 SAFETY:

Remove the two pins on the receiver which hold the trigger group.

On the trigger group locate a small pin behind the trigger guard on the inside of the group and located on the side of the group. You will need to drift the pin out.

BE CAREFUL since it is holding a small spring in retention.

The pin and the spring are EASILY LOST.....

Under the spring, which is in a small hole in the trigger group, there will be a small ball bearing, turn the trigger group over and let it drop into your hand. Put it with the spring and pin.

Push the safety out with your finger and slide in another safety.

Note the groves on the safety. This is where ball bearing will be seated, held in place by the spring which is held in place by the small pin.

Once you have the new safety in place, turn the trigger so the spring hole is up, put the ball in the spring hole, put the spring into the spring hole, depress the spring ( I find a ballpoint refill works well) BE CAREFUL since this is ususally where the spring pops out, hits you in the eye,scares hell out of you and goes to that dark place where all small things which are needed go to hide.

With the spring depressed, put the pin into the hole on the side of the trigger group and drift it into the other side which will place it over the spring and hold it in place.

CLICK the safety back and forth to make sure the ball bearing has seated into the notch on the safety.

Shuck the gun ( no shells loaded ) and see if it works.

Hope this helps.

Nomad, 2nd
April 24, 2007, 10:15 PM
Thank you. I don't do locks on guns.

dfariswheel
April 25, 2007, 12:55 AM
The good news is, Remington appears to have discontinued the locking safety.

Customer complaints and feedback DO work.

toivo
April 25, 2007, 03:01 AM
The good news is, Remington appears to have discontinued the locking safety.
Will they do a recall/retrofit? (Just kidding...)

dasanii19
April 26, 2007, 12:30 AM
yep, the new 870s dont have the j lock

jrfoxx
April 26, 2007, 07:13 AM
Just a thought, since I dont have an 870, but could one just fill the lock with lock-tite while in the unlocked position? Just throwing it out there as I have heard of more than a few people doing that with the S&W revolvers with the dreaded lock....
Seems like it might be a viable option for someone who couldn't/didn't want to replace the safety for whatever reason.....

zinj
April 26, 2007, 11:36 AM
The lock is within the actual safety. If you filled the hole in the safety and the lock gets turned on (as demonstrated by my post above) you are SOL.

jrfoxx
April 26, 2007, 03:45 PM
oops, my bad.sorry guys.guess the S&W lock fix aint such a hot idea with the 870.I apparently made an assumption I shouldnt have...Thanks Zinj.Some days I just flat out should be ignored no matter what I say.....:)

Guyon
April 26, 2007, 04:17 PM
I have four 870s. All had the J lock. A pretty quick change out, but it's costs an extra $10 to $20 to buy the safety, the new (longer) spring, and the detent ball.

The safety will function by just changing out the safety part, but it was really designed to take a ball (rather than pin) and the ball requires a longer spring.

SapperLeader
April 28, 2007, 09:51 AM
Its real easy to switch out, Lee has some good step by step instructions here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=238015

I ordered my 870 replacement safety from Midway(part 873374) and it took me less than 15 minutes to install on both my 870's and most of that was fiddling with the first one to make sure i had it right :)

toivo
April 28, 2007, 03:35 PM
Everybody mentions a new spring and detent ball. I ordered a "Big Speed Safety" from Brownell's (Part #100-000-569) and the instructions don't mention anything about replacing those parts; they instruct you to use the ones that came out when you removed the original safety. Could that be because they assume you're replacing the old-style safety and not the J-Lock?

Anybody have any experience with the one I'm talking about? It's like the standard Remington safety except the right-hand side is configured as a large domed knob.

richardschennberg
May 10, 2007, 03:47 PM
Actually, the recall/retrofit is no joke. I don't use the safety at all for fear that it will lock when I don't have the key handy. I only use it for clay games where this does not present a safety hazard. How many novices hesitate to use the safety where it would be warrented, had the J-lock not been present? In such a case, Remington might as well be producing a shotgun with no safety at all!
Richard
Schennberg.com (http://www.schennberg.com)

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