Kid expelled for having a bb gun at school


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PinnedAndRecessed
April 25, 2007, 02:28 PM
Indianola, OK (AP) - Some parents in the Indianola School District in Pittsburg County are upset because the sheriff's office wasn't called after a middle school student was caught with a B-B gun on campus.

Indianola Superintendent Jeff Maddox says the gun was found Monday and the student is suspended for the rest of the school year.

But Maddox says no call was made because he doesn't consider a B-B gun to be a real firearm.

The state Department of Education requires schools to report incidents within 14 days and a B-B gun is considered a firearm like a pistol or shotgun according to guidelines on the department's Web site.


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PinnedAndRecessed
April 25, 2007, 02:29 PM
a B-B gun is considered a firearm like a pistol or shotgun

Huh?

bowfin
April 25, 2007, 02:30 PM
I agree with the principal, a BB gun isn't cause for a call to the Sheriff, unless someone was shot at by the kid.

Old Fuff
April 25, 2007, 02:57 PM
ALL GUNS ARE EVIL...!!

The young man must be taught that, and change his interests to something that's Progressive Approved, like stamp collecting. Meanwhile we can be assured that the punishment will prevent him from getting any education for the rest of the year (which fortunately won't be too long).

This is clearly a win-win solution... :rolleyes:

imprezagm4
April 25, 2007, 03:14 PM
I once heard from a guy that a BB gun can blow your arm clean off.

Bazooka Joe71
April 25, 2007, 03:37 PM
I knew a guy in Jr. high that accidentally killed his cousin(obviously he was being stupid, but didn't mean to kill him). He shot him in the eye and it hit his brain and killed him instantly.

mpmarty
April 25, 2007, 03:41 PM
heck, I got kicked out of middle school for a week for bringing a cattle prod to school and using it on a couple of idiots. BB guns don't belong there either though and I think the level of response was about right.

kellyj00
April 25, 2007, 05:24 PM
In Wichita, KS (USD 259) having a water gun or even a roll of quarters in your pocket (considered a Fist pack) will get you expelled.

A BB gun should get a kid expelled. It's not a toy and should be used with supervision until they're old enough to act responsibly... and taking a BB gun to school is not responsible. Toys shouldn't get kids kicked out of school for an entire year, it's just not productive. All they'll do is sit around at home and play violent video games.

So, buy expelling a kid for months for having a toy, you're exposing him to hours and hours of violent games, movies, or unsupervised internet. Good idea.

MikeFL86
April 25, 2007, 05:57 PM
The days of freedom have long since past, it seems. Kids used to bring their .22s to school and then go hunting after class was let out. At least that's what the old timers tell me. It's hard to imagine that these days.

:uhoh:

Geno
April 25, 2007, 05:59 PM
Common sense is no more.

surjimmy
April 25, 2007, 06:16 PM
We must have rules to follow, and they should be enforced. But Good God does that mean we throw common sence out the window. Should the child be punished...YES...kicking him out for the rest of the year are you kidding me. Punishment should be based on the child's past record. Here in Oklahoma we had a senior who's car was broke down, so he drove his mothers car to school. There was a kitchen knife in door pocket. He was suspended for the rest of the year. This kid was one of the top rated wrestlers in the nation, never had any trouble in the past, and was a model student. Even after his parents told them what happend he was still kicked out. Lost his scolarships. I think this is crazy. We have to be able to think on our feet, rules can't make us robot's.

Old Fuff
April 25, 2007, 07:31 PM
We have to be able to think on our feet, rules can't make us robot's.

Not really. The people running the schools today are robots, with a rulebook in one hand and a zero tolerance policy in the other. Good judgment and thinking went out of style in the education establishment long ago.

Everything in this story suggests that the boy brought the gun too school to school to impress his peers, and maybe generate a little envy. Was he wrong? Sure he was, but …

Suspending or expelling this kid will only give him what he sees as an extra vacation, and sometimes the parents agree. Keeping him in school with regular plus extra assignments is the kind of punishment he would understand, and that would enhance, not harm his education. So would the final loss of his prized B-B pistol. But this would require school administrators who could think outside of the box. Very few want too do that. They have a one-size-fits-all mentality.

I think this is crazy.

Unfortunately, you are absolutely right.

lamazza
April 25, 2007, 08:17 PM
I think its ridiculous that someone should be expelled for a BB gun,HOWEVER, with all of the demonization of guns and school expulsions,etc etc. ad nauseum. The kids would have to be retarded to keep bringing guns to school-to what end?! Do they want to get in trouble?

But this would require school administrators who could think outside of the box. Very few want too do that. They have a one-size-fits-all mentality.

Its called 'cover your behind' popular among politicians as well.

Starter52
April 25, 2007, 08:23 PM
You can bet that school has a written policy that says if you bring a BB gun to school you are expelled.

You can bet that kid got a copy of that policy the first day of school.

End of story.

crazed_ss
April 25, 2007, 08:34 PM
You can bet that school has a written policy that says if you bring a BB gun to school you are expelled.

You can bet that kid got a copy of that policy the first day of school.

End of story.

Exactly. Rules is rules.

Gustav
April 25, 2007, 08:49 PM
If a bb gun is considered a firearm wouldn't a Red Ryder be an illegal weapon in many states?
I can see not bringing a bb gun to a school (or a knife or slingshot) because someone may get an eye shot out or a red bump on the rump but to equal it and treat it in severity to a firearm.:rolleyes:
My dad often as a kid going to school in the 1930s and 1940s was loaned a .22 pump action rifle and a couple 22 shells and told to bring back a rabbit for supper, today even a picture of a gun or a gun keychain can get a kid in trouble.
As a kid me and my freinds had them all everything from Sheridans and Crosmans to El Gamo's and Fienwerkbau's (sp) heck I recently bought a .22 RWS air rifle for rodent control there's a difference between a bb gun pellet gun and firearm.
In high school ROTC they had pellet rifles and match grade .22s do they still have these today?
My how things are changing.:banghead:

skynyrd1911
April 25, 2007, 09:24 PM
Toy gun leads to expulsion at GCT

By JENNIFER THOMPSON
jthompson@paragoulddailypress.com
Saturday, April 21, 2007 8:09 AM CDT


The Greene County Tech School Board approved the expulsion of a fifth-grade elementary school student Thursday during its regular board meeting. The student, whose name could not be disclosed, was expelled for the remainder of the school year, approximately one month, for bringing a toy gun to school.

The board expelled the student for violating Rule 4 from the elementary school. The rule deals with having possession of dangerous weapons at school.

“A student shall not possess, handle or transmit explosives, guns, of any type or any illegal knives of any type, or any other object that might be considered a weapon or dangerous weapon,” the rule states.

Superintendent Sheila Ford said administrators were not originally sure whether the object the child brought to school was a real gun, or a toy. “That was not determined,” she said. “We believe it was a toy, but we always err on the side of caution. In light of our society, school officials are cautious and careful with this type of situation. No students were in any danger at any time.”

“It was reported to the elementary principal that a child might have something in a backpack that another student was concerned about,” Ford added. “The police were not called because this happened at this child’s bus stop. We did not see what he had, and so we were not able to determine for sure if it was a toy or if it was real, but our ‘no tolerance’ policy suggests expulsion. We believe, though, it was a toy.”

Ford said the district doesn’t have a specific process to follow when an incident such as this occurs because this is the first time in the three years she has been superintendent.


This happened off the school bus. The student did however have the toy in his backpack at school. It was of the toy guns that shoots those plastic bb's. He evidently shot a girl in the leg after getting off the school bus. This happened at a bus stop near my daughter's house. In fact, my daughter watches this boy and his younger sister after school until one of their parents come to pick them up. About 2 hours a day. Not only did he get kicked out of school for 365 days, he was blackballed from attending any other schools in our area. They have now labeled him "High Risk". He will now go live with his Grandmother in Tennessee to attend school. He will be on "Probation" for a year. I know he did wrong, but 365 days? In my opinion he should have been expelled for the rest of this year. In today's society maybe it just has to be this way. :(

grimjaw
April 25, 2007, 09:33 PM
One kid leans over to the other at the cafeteria lunch table.

"It's a Red Ryder pump action. It shoots through schools."

jm

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