Myself as a victim in California...


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DomMega
April 25, 2007, 04:00 PM
I don't share this story too often but I figured if I was ever going to share it with anyone it would be with the lot of you here at the high road as I love this forum.

You don't really see the true evidence of crime per se, until you yourself are actually almost a victim of it yourself. On Christmas Day, late evening, I was in a liquor store by my home purchasing a bottle of wine for my girlfriend and her family before I was left to pick her up. I walked into the liquor store and saw a short, fat hispanic male walking towards the store as well. He was muttering something but I couldn't understand what it was he was saying. I do know that he was in fact a gang member by the clothes he was wearing and what he would soon say to me.

I walked into the store and grabbed what I thought to be a nice bottle of wine for the family. As I was paying for this bottle, this idiot decides to take his 40 ounce bottle of Olde English and slide it down the counter to where I was. My arm of course knocked it over and he just stood there and stared at me. I tend to have problems with people trying to act like tough guys in front of me for no reason. It was Christmas Day mind you and the last thing I wanted to do here was get myself into a situation that I might regret later, so I took the bottle that had since fallen on the counter, picked it up and set it back down by him. I kept my eyes on this individual because now I have a reason to. He said something again but I still haven't the slightest idea of what he said.

As I exited the store I walked backwards because again I didn't trust this guy. Then I heard him say, "Say something homey!" (insert name of gang here) or something to that effect. I replied, "Say what? Merry Christmas?" It was at that point he pulled out a .22 pistol out of his pants and was getting ready to point it at me. I could only assume due to his drunkiness and such that he was slower than he should've been. After the gun was presented, I just ran out of the store in a zigzag direction and put as much space between him and I as humanly possible. (Coincidentally my XD 40 was in my trunk.........locked..........and unloaded..........with ammo in an unopened box next to it. Whoop dee doo). I jumped in my car, peeled out and blew past a red light until I was about 3 blocks away. Adrenaline will do that to you.

Anyways, here's the kicker I went to file the report shortly thereafter with the Sheriff department of my city. Here's what I was asked:

-"Do you know his name?"
Um, no I sure don't.

-"Do you know where he lives?"
No, I sure don't.

-"Do you have license plate or the make and model of his vehicle?"
No officer, he walked to the liquor store and had no vehicle with him.

Me- "I can describe him though! He was a short, heavyset hispanic male with a bald head." (You can insert your laughing here as those types are a dime a dozen in Los Angeles).

We both laughed at that point but how sick is all this? He then stated that he could take the report but it wouldn't do anything and it would just get put at the bottom of the pile. Um yeah, ok.

Some drunken idiot gang member pulls a gun on a law abiding citizen, one who's in processing to become a police officer in Arizona no less, and I was forced to stand there, defenseless while some criminal would have and could have killed me with his illegal weapon in a convenient store. And of course the cashier wasn't going to do anything because he was a little fearful for his life as well. Is this where we're at, is this where we're at now? Is this country so confused and divided that they don't know the difference between criminals and gun owning law-abiding citizens? The people that passed those laws would've been petrified if this same individual pulled that stunt with them, however if I was in that store and armed from a concealed perspective they wouldn't have thought twice because well, I'm not a violent person.

I just think its funny that people in this state can get away with pulling a gun on an unarmed, law-abiding citizen, and when that citizen attempts to make a police report it can't even be made and this idiot will go out and do this same thing again. Only maybe next time he really does kill somebody.

Either way I still walk around defenseless because.........its the law.

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SoCalShooter
April 25, 2007, 04:07 PM
Well its good to hear your alright, and yes this is what the state of California has degraded to. Cops cannot do anything about the gangs, and the legislature keeps taking away more rights of law abiding citizens with silly laws that are not going to be enforced anyways because they do not have the man power. In my city, I heard a statistic on the news that we have about 1.6 cops per thousand, now when you do the math for people in my city you say that could be a lot of cops but on the whole its very small.

DomMega
April 25, 2007, 04:33 PM
Thanks.

And yes, exactly right. I think I heard it here when someone said that you can't keep a cop in your pocket for self-defense reasons. Thats when the lines of common sense and actual law becomes grayed because we've accomplished disarming everyday, law-abiding citizens but as always keeping the criminals armed and the cops nowhere in sight when you need them. When are people going to wise up? I don't get it. Everyone here is depending on local law enforcement and the state to protect and take care of them. There's no other word I can conjure up for that except one........stupidity.

Nomad, 2nd
April 25, 2007, 04:49 PM
IICR first offence for 'illegal' CCW of a firearm registered to you (IF you are not a gang member) is a $200 Misdomener.

Local laws also apply...

I looked it up before I went out there this last summer...:fire:

battlecry
April 25, 2007, 04:55 PM
We know they can't prevent a crime.
We know they can't stop a crime.
Now we know they can't even follow up after a crime.

msimonds
April 25, 2007, 05:03 PM
Glad to hear that you came out of this without a scratch and it is to bad that you could not do anything about it. If this had happened to me in Texas, I am not sure what I would have done, even if I have my CHL. I hope that I never have this happen

SoCalShooter
April 25, 2007, 05:07 PM
The cops we have are pretty decent its just such a large problem , and they do not seem to have the resources.

Oohrah
April 25, 2007, 06:14 PM
I stayed in your area after being released from active duty in
the Marine Corps. Didn't seem like there was the problems with
crime or firearm ownership. Moved my way north to north central
Calif. When the restrictions became more numerous, there was
only one direction left, and I moved up to the next state without
regret. My friends across the boarder comment that when their
working days are over, they are gone. A CCW is available to most
of good character, and believe it makes for a kinder society
Semper Fi:)

DomMega
April 25, 2007, 06:40 PM
The cops we have are pretty decent its just such a large problem , and they do not seem to have the resources.

This is true, MOST are pretty decent but are often backed into a corner because they're just not given the permission to do what needs to be done. Everytime a "rough arrest" goes down out here, somebody has a camera somewhere, sell it to a news media outlet, and walla....a lawsuit. It's just sad that when something legitimate happens there hands are tied. I mean how often do we know are assailants name, address, and vehicle? I think vehicle might be the only one in there that might be doable but thats if you're able to see a license plate with a gun in your face.

It's all amazing and since then I've REALLY been trying to get out of here. I don't feel like becoming a peace officer in a state that I hate living in so I'm moving east to AZ. I do certainly know what its like to be defenseless in the land of crime and gang violence though.

IICR first offence for 'illegal' CCW of a firearm registered to you (IF you are not a gang member) is a $200 Misdomener.

Local laws also apply...

I looked it up before I went out there this last summer

Yes indeed, I was looking that up myself even before this happened and then again right after this happened. I don't think I would want to lose my XD 40 or my S&W 442 to California for trying to stay alive at night but at the same time, I certainly don't want to be an actual victim next time. It's one of those things and reminds me of Penn & Tellers episode of "Bull*hit" where a woman wasn't legally allowed to carry her firearm (even though she had it in her purse) and watched a gunman storm into a restaurant where she was eating and systematically kill the patrons. Among the victims were both her parents and she watched it all happen while having her weapon in her purse. Some say she could've missed and killed an innocent bystandard.......which may be true OR......she could've struck him dead on and ended the rampage in less than a second. Either way, she'll have that hanging over her head now for the rest of her life. That was back before Texas passed more citizen friendly laws.

Makes you really think.

And thanks again gentleman, I'm glad I made it out of that one too.

thedpp
April 25, 2007, 06:45 PM
Its too hard for the police in such large cities because most of the time the cops are outnumbered 4to1.

CountGlockula
April 25, 2007, 06:57 PM
Hello brother. Yes, I'm glad you're alive to tell about it. I'd recommend two things:

1. Invest in Self Defense Handgun training.
2. Fight for CCW in CA.

Being able to practice at the range is one thing, it's another when you're trained. And there's a group of professionals petitioning for CCW in southern Cali.

Thanks for sharing.

DomMega
April 25, 2007, 07:11 PM
Hello brother. Yes, I'm glad you're alive to tell about it. I'd recommend two things:

1. Invest in Self Defense Handgun training.
2. Fight for CCW in CA.

Being able to practice at the range is one thing, it's another when you're trained. And there's a group of professionals petitioning for CCW in southern Cali.

Thanks for sharing

Already a step ahead of you senor. My cousin and I have been trying to get this organization of the ground for some time now. It is quite enjoyable teaching others how to shoot at the range, especially women who live alone and such. My cousin was a combat engineer in the army for 5 years and is slowly teaching me everything he knows along with many of my friends who have come back from Iraq and such. I certainly believe the need is there and we plan to eventually branch out to Oregon and Arizona where we'll both be residing for a time.

Here's our group on myspace:
groups.myspace.com/catdl

Our mock website we're working on:
www.sk-ent.com/catdl



The CCW in California I do fight for but its just hard because we probably WOULD have CCW's out here, but the majority of the people who live here just don't want it. That being the case they make sure the people they want in office get elected so the rest of us don't have rights. Lastly I was also told that getting denied a CCW tends to look bad when you're going through police processing, however I can't confirm that.

Thanks for the feedback

Sawdust
April 25, 2007, 07:37 PM
Fight for CCW in the county of CA in which you live

There, I fixed it for you.

Repeat after me: "CCW is not outlawed in the state of CA. I cannot get one because I live in one of the counties where the Sheriff is unenlightened".

Would it be better if the state went to shall issue - you bet. But you can also fight to get the right Sheriff elected, thus avoiding having to turnaround the whole state.

CCW in many counties in CA is actually pretty easy.

Sawdust

CountGlockula
April 25, 2007, 07:46 PM
Glad to hear mi amigo.

Sage of Seattle
April 25, 2007, 08:13 PM
Either way I still walk around defenseless because.........its the law.

*DomMega walks back into the liquor store*

DomMega: Excuse me ma'am, but do you happen to have another bottle of this wine? I seem to have accidentally broken mine just now...and you might want to call for an ambulance because I happened to notice that the homie that was in here must have fallen or something, his head is bleeding something fierce. Merry Christmas!
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Seriously though, you did great getting out of there. Just keep in mind that you're never unarmed if push comes to shove.

MudCamper
April 25, 2007, 08:56 PM
Join the CRPA (http://www.crpa.org/). Good organization, and they are fighting for CCW reform.

obxned
April 25, 2007, 08:57 PM
Everytime the BGs get away with something only re-enforces that sort of behavior.

crazed_ss
April 25, 2007, 09:29 PM
(Coincidentally my XD 40 was in my trunk.........locked..........and unloaded..........with ammo in an unopened box next to it. Whoop dee doo).

Were you coming from or going to the range, an armorer, your buddies house, or some other "lawful destination"? .. You're not supposed to drive around with handguns or "Assault Weapons" in the car unless you're going to or from a lawful destination. You cant just drive around with them in the car, "Just in case".. Just throwing it out there..FYI

Old Fuff
April 25, 2007, 09:45 PM
Put it this way...

When you get to Arizona you'll find that things are a lot different. ;)

Incidentally, you can apply for and get an Arizona Concealed Weapons License before you move, while you are still a California resident. Then anytime you're in Arizona you are good to go, resident or not.

DomMega
April 25, 2007, 10:04 PM
Were you coming from or going to the range, an armorer, your buddies house, or some other "lawful destination"? .. You're not supposed to drive around with handguns or "Assault Weapons" in the car unless you're going to or from a lawful destination. You cant just drive around with them in the car, "Just in case".. Just throwing it out there..FYI

I know this. I'm very, very familiar with the laws regarding firearms in my state. Truth be told there was a Christmas themed IDPA that weekend. We went the day before and were planning on going again Christmas morning before anything of substance happened. And lets just say for the sake of argument, even if I did drive around with my guns in my trunk "just in case" its not like they're going to do me a whole heck of a lot of good. What would've happened? I would've popped the trunk, unlocked my gun box (which takes a second or two), opened up a new box of ammo, load 10 rounds in the mag, slam the mag in the receiver, cycle the slide, oh hey by the way I'm dead already from mr. vato running out of the store and firing three shots at point blank. Merry Christmas. No, instead I just assessed the situation to the best of my ability, I knew that most criminals can't shoot worth a darn, and put as much space between myself and him as possible, and drove off in a hurry. Thats all you can do.

Put it this way...

When you get to Arizona you'll find that things are a lot different.

Incidentally, you can apply for and get an Arizona Concealed Weapons License before you move, while you are still a California resident. Then anytime you're in Arizona you are good to go, resident or not.

You're telling me brother. I stay out there in Tolleson with a friend of mine and have been driving into Surprise and in early May Tempe for Law Enforcement testing/processing. I love it out there, I actually feel like a free man. When I come to Cali I feel like a commie. I can't wait to get out there. It might get hot but you just live a hell of a lot better.

*DomMega walks back into the liquor store*

DomMega: Excuse me ma'am, but do you happen to have another bottle of this wine? I seem to have accidentally broken mine just now...and you might want to call for an ambulance because I happened to notice that the homie that was in here must have fallen or something, his head is bleeding something fierce. Merry Christmas!
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Seriously though, you did great getting out of there. Just keep in mind that you're never unarmed if push comes to shove.

I like the way you think :cool: . I would've loved to do that too, I have a hard time backing down from most people in most situations so actually getting in my car and leaving that night felt damaging to my pride for a bit. But then I remembered he had a gun and I did not, and something really just told me to leave and in a hurry.

What's sad about this whole thing is this wasn't the first time a gun has ever been pulled on me by a criminal, more so a gang member. They know we're all unarmed and its like shooting a fish in a barrel.

As far as the whole CCW thing goes, I have a 0.017% chance of getting one in L.A. county. I just figure when I become law enforcement in Arizona, I can carry in any state in the union after that since that bill passed in 2004 allowing peace officers to do such things.

MikeS.
April 25, 2007, 10:11 PM
Had been almost impossible to get CCW before 95 or so. Then we elected a new sheriff and they became a lot easier to get. I left in 98 and moved here to WV where all I did was show the sheriff my Calif. CCW and he issued me a new WV one.

DomMega
April 25, 2007, 10:15 PM
I get jealous when I hear things like that Mike.

Travis McGee
April 25, 2007, 10:19 PM
That scenario is a big part of why I left Cali for NE Florida last year.

ArchAngelCD
April 25, 2007, 10:39 PM
DomMega,
No need to feel your pride was hurt by what you did. When someone has a gun pointed at you and you are unarmed, staying alive is the name of the game. Since you are alive, you win. No shame in surviving sir, you are alive...

PistolPackin'Papa
April 25, 2007, 11:16 PM
I have had a CCW in Tulare County CA for 37 years. I get it through the Sheriff's office. NEVER had a problem, even when I am late on my renewal date. The town I live in is very anti CCW, but the County Sheriff is king in CA. Most of the Central Valley Counties are pretty good about giving them out. It's the coastal counties that give us the bad reputation.
GET OUT OF LA CITY AND COUNTY.

ppp

49north
April 26, 2007, 01:23 AM
As one who left their late great native state of california many years ago I can honestly say CALIFORNIA SUCKS AND IS A VERY SCARY PLACE!! It ain't worth it to be in a place so chock full of mindless violence. At least now in my new rural home violence is done amonst folks who know each other, not that it happens very often. Good luck, I dont' see things as you described improving much anytime soon.

collateral
April 26, 2007, 01:39 AM
This is very disappointing, by no means do I hate LEOs, I am even starting school to be one. but youd think they would follow up and try to go to the store to get a video of him and try to ID the guy. If hes a gang member, its almost a guarentee that he has a record and is on file.

DomMega
April 26, 2007, 11:15 AM
Its irritating to say the least. I think I'm going to go see what that CRPA is about even though I plan on getting the hell out of here within the coming months.

I'm still breathing as you all have said, onwards and upwards. Just wanted to share that here over anywhere else I post on occasion.

Thanks. This state ust to be a great place to live, now its a joke and a half but the citizens here do nothing about it. I'm not talking about the gun and CCW advocates, I mean just about the whole rest of the state.

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