CCW clothing 'tells'


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Nomad, 2nd
April 26, 2007, 12:00 AM
All the discussion of CCW leads me to wanting to relate a story (Gather around kiddies);)

I was washing my hands in a fast food place, while waiting on my food.

Standing in line behind the guy at the sink I asked him "What do you carry?"
He asked me "What do you mean?"
I said "CCW"
"Mini Glock, how did you know"
I told him that he was wearing 5.11 pants.

I wear a wilderness belt every day, carry a benchmade clipped into my pocket, wear Danner 'Hiking Boots'...
During the summer it is covered up, but in the winter when I can tuck in my shirt again... people who 'know' can tell what kind of person I am. (Also a reason I rarely wear 5.11's)
I kept this in mind when I went to Ca... I wore my Milt Sparks leather belt..

Remember to watch the clothing when you REALLY care.
(My Knob Creek T-shirt...)

What are some you look for?

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Geronimo45
April 26, 2007, 12:10 AM
LOL. That's a good one.

A beard is one occassional giveaway. Seems that a beard goes with carrying/loving guns, IME. the mountain-man-type beard, that is.

Geister
April 26, 2007, 12:18 AM
I have a stubble Clint Eastwood beard myself. But yeah, now that you mention it, I have known a lot of gun guys with full-blown beards.

pdowg881
April 26, 2007, 12:30 AM
Is there characteristics someone like myself who isn't familiar with 5.11 pants and all that specialized clothing can identify a ccw? Basically, what are some dead giveaways?

Zundfolge
April 26, 2007, 12:31 AM
Apparently the clip of a knife in the front pocket is seen by some as at CCW "tell" (I seem to recall someone posting that this is how criminals can spot CCWers).

http://www.customjewelshop.com/knives/clip.jpg


I also assume anyone wearing a photographer's vest but not carrying a camera is packing ... and when I see a fanny pack I figure its either a gun or someone with really poor taste (actually I assume its a gun carried by someone with really poor taste :p )

Hemicuda
April 26, 2007, 12:33 AM
Wow... I must not be a CCW'er... I have no facial hair... Darn... then what the heck is this pesky Smitty 4506 doing on my belt? However did that get there?

pdowg881
April 26, 2007, 12:35 AM
I'm not sure about the knife one, because I do that as my only option at the age of 19.

scurtis_34471
April 26, 2007, 12:36 AM
I can carry an XD-40 Service in an OWB holster with nothing but an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt on over a T-shirt. As I live in Florida, this does not stand out. In the winter, I can swap the Hawaiian for a long-sleaved denim shirt. Either way, nobody would think twice. Of couse, that only works for casual dress.

Geister
April 26, 2007, 12:36 AM
Hahahaha, Hemicuda.

Regarding the 5.11 pants, I think only fellow CHLers will be able to point them out.

Geronimo45
April 26, 2007, 12:40 AM
Wow... I must not be a CCW'er... I have no facial hair
While there's rogaine, there's hope!

cslinger
April 26, 2007, 12:41 AM
They only folks likely to pick up on a particular tell are other gun folks.

You could walk around a mall with a black shirt with bright pink letters that say "Hi, my name is Chris, and I have a cocked and lock .45 caliber handgun hanging at my side. Have a nice day." and 99% of the people would pay you NO mind at all. Most folks are oblivious to the world. The thing that makes most of us gunnies safer isn't the gun its the mindset.

Chris

Zundfolge
April 26, 2007, 12:45 AM
"I'm packin' cocked and locked."

I'd buy that t-shirt (even though I pack a DAO) :neener:

Geronimo45
April 26, 2007, 12:46 AM
The thing that makes most of us gunnies safer isn't the gun its the mindset.
And the duct-taped trauma plates.

cslinger
April 26, 2007, 12:47 AM
And the duct-taped trauma plates.

Ok, that is the pepsi all over the keyboard quote of the night.

RNB65
April 26, 2007, 12:50 AM
The biggest tell is frequently touching the gun. People who are new to CCW are always afraid their gun is exposed or about to fall out of it's holster, so there is a natural tendency to touch it often. Sometimes it's so subconscious you don't even realize you're doing it, but someone watching with a knowledgeable will spot it in a heartbeat.

FireArmFan
April 26, 2007, 01:33 AM
a clip on a belt from an IWB holster is one that i notice once in a while

MinnMooney
April 26, 2007, 02:07 AM
You're right - RNB65 - about "Touching your gun all the time" when you're a newbie carrier. I seem to remember doin' that 'cause I was self-concious about it and thought that everyone KNEW I was carryin'. Now - 3 or 4 years later - I totally forget that I even have it with me.

RRTX
April 26, 2007, 02:12 AM
Almost everything that we consider a dead giveaway of someone carrying, 99.9% of the general population wouldn't notice. 5.11 stuff, knives, belt loops of a holster, loose unbuttoned shirts, are really only thing that fellow gun people notice. Even a lump under a shirt most people wouldn't think gun in this age of cell phones and other gadgets hanging off the belt.

ShooterMcGavin
April 26, 2007, 02:34 AM
The biggest tell is frequently touching the gun.
I still do this, discretely, mainly because my Uncle Mike's IWB holster is such an unstable piece of crap. The butt of the gun often flops over and points towards my weak side.

Soybomb
April 26, 2007, 04:03 AM
I've always wondered how many false positives people get. I wear loose unbuttoned shirts, have a knife clipped to my pants pocket, and frequent grab my belt or adjust my pants and I very rarely have a gun on. Sometimes the guy touching his belt is just a fat guy in roomy pants ;)

Loucks
April 26, 2007, 04:44 AM
I doubt most people would suspect me of carrying. I have long hair and like to wear tie-dyes. :D

I still do this, discretely, mainly because my Uncle Mike's IWB holster is such an unstable piece of crap. The butt of the gun often flops over and points towards my weak side.

Man, you owe it to yourself to get a better holster. I have a snap-on Galco IWB that has the same problem, and it hasn't left the "holster drawer" since I received my order from ubgholsters.com.

DirksterG30
April 26, 2007, 05:48 AM
I look for the photographers vests, or as I refer to them, "shoot me first" vests.

ccw9mm
April 26, 2007, 06:01 AM
Remember to watch the clothing when you REALLY care. What are some you look for?
No t-shirt look. No shirts printed with any message, particularly gun-related or "big-talk" type messages. No CCW-only brands or styles (ie, 5.11 gear, SIG Tac jacket, vests of any kind). No webbed belts, slings, straps or the like. Nothing in camouflage pattern. Nothing exposed, as with a knife hanging out for all to see. No "printing," if I can avoid it. Avoidance of fidgeting, playing with the covering garment, patting the gun in the holster, or any other such silliness that gives away the concealment. Avoiding the one main bane: my slip is showin' (ie, the damned thing is visible, due to the shirt riding up, or whatever). Beyond that, I actually purchase garments (and sometimes have them tailored) to suit the need for concealment.

That combination results in fairly good concealment and practicality, for me. Something breaks one of those rules (above)? It's the wrong choice of clothing. YMMV.

Pax Jordana
April 26, 2007, 07:40 AM
I've got a goatee, does that count?

I have worked long and hard to fit my gun, holster and pants together (ok, basically I bought a smaller gun.) I have a buddy who doesn't CCW (yet- what a pal) who loves to play the guessing game. From him I can tell that I print, but only if you're looking for it. He knows I usually wear IWB and can tell where on the belt, or if it's not there at all (sometimes life necessitates pocket or ankle carry).


So look for a 'print' or even traces thereof - absent that, look for an untucked shirt big enough to hide a print.

Funny incidental, the younger guys at my fave gunshop carry OWB at work, the owner may think he's 'beyond' it - so he's an L sized man in an XXL sized button-down, because he's carrying a full sized pistol OWB 'concealed'. It's like that.


Frankly I have nothing against photographer's or other vests - the guy in a T-shirt and jeans (like myself) might be packing a small nine, but the guy in the denim vest is gonna pull out an iron that'll make a baddy :what: himself at the sight of.. experience has taught me that, not as a BG but as a young buck at the range talking to some ex-cop types.


If I may make an analogy, boy george once said "It's not like I walk into a sandwich shop and say oh hello, I'd like a turkey sub- and by the way, I'm gay." so be quiet about outing your fellow packers, wouldja? :D

jack the toad
April 26, 2007, 07:45 AM
There are certain items (vests, fanny packs, etc.) that to me scream gun.
You would never know from my clothes (loose casual) that I'm packing and I like it that way.
About the only changes I've made were to carry my wallet in my left hip pocket instead of my right because I normally carry at the 4:00 position.

30 cal slob
April 26, 2007, 08:13 AM
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WeThePeople
April 26, 2007, 08:19 AM
I think that I dress like a vast majority of the population. No fads, no gunnie clothes, no camo, etc. I don't think that anyone gives me even a first look, let alone a second look. Since I am almost always carrying, I like it that way.

helpless
April 26, 2007, 08:32 AM
No Tacticool pants, I dress in Jeans and button up short/long sleeve casual shirts, usually plad, Untucked, no larger than I would wear if I was not CCW. I am a 6' 1" 230 broad shoulders so I can hide my service xd very well. I am an large shirt guy and I am able to wear a large, sometime an XL with zero printing. I am self employed and like to think I look semi professional for my area/profession. My shoes are Docks and I do have a full mountain man beard and clean haircut.

So I guess I hide it pretty well.

I do notice you guys with the 5.11 pants and team glock shirts. I secretly admire you.

TonyB
April 26, 2007, 08:33 AM
As I've said on other posts,I often wear a vest(always actually)usually just a regular one.Lately though,I can only wear sweatpants,so I'm wearing a 5.11 vest..last week I'm hanging out at the gun store,when 2 cops walked in(Ispotted them right away,2 slightly overweight,white guys w/ short hair and suits,constantly scanning the room.)so my buddy who works in the shop starts talking to them,he knew them,and I start talking to them too.The whole time I'm thinking"I wonder if they know I'm carrying?"Not that it matters,as I'm legal.Then as I get off the stool to leave,my airweight,which is in the front pocket of my vest,clunks against the counter as my vest swings around.I guess they knew then,becasue they both looked at me,and then eachother,and smiled......I felt like such a dork.:banghead:

kellyj00
April 26, 2007, 08:41 AM
the only people who notice things like 5.11 pants are people like the high roaders... thugs don't know what 5.11 pants are, they just know that you look like the guards from the prison they just got out of.

SniperStraz
April 26, 2007, 08:44 AM
they just know that you look like the guards from the prison they just got out of.
HAHAHA

Zach S
April 26, 2007, 08:48 AM
I dont really work hard at concealment. I'm 6ft tall, weighing in at a whopping 155lbs (fully dressed), and I carry a 5" 1911.

It not unusual to see me in a gun shirt (my peace through superior firepower shirt is my favorite). During the colder months, I wear Mechanix Gloves with the thumbs and index fingers cut off. Whenever I hold anything gun-like, I obey the four rules. Drills, impact wrenches, sawzalls, all get carried at low-ready.

I dont wear tacticool clothing. Most of the time, I'm wearing a tank top under a T shirt no matter how hot it is (one giveaway), jeans, and Altama boots, my second pair in seven years.

You'll probably see that I'm carrying. But no one else seems to notice, so I cant say that I care. Like previously mentioned, with the exception of CCWers, most people arent gonna notice squat.

Tell-tale signs to me are any type of clothing youll see advertised as "tactical." Take the entire 5.11 line. Photgraphers' vests. Two shirts in 90 degree weather. And carpenter's or painter's jeans (they give you a lot of room around the ankles).

I've made a very diverse group of people. From middle-aged men in german cars that looked like bankers, soccermoms driving minivans (okay, just one of them), and guys like me that dress like they barely make enough money to get buy, with a vehicle to match.

Have I been made? Probably. I'd be surprised if I hadnt. But they say the same thing to me that I say to them: nothing. A hello, or a nod, and thats about it.

NM234
April 26, 2007, 08:51 AM
Although couldn't someone knowing your armed be a benefit in some situations.... like a less hardened criminal might be afraid to do anything to you? Unless they are specifically after you, I think they might move on to an easier target (not that I don't care about others but I'm talking about protecting you and your loved ones first, then others)

Also a related question, are their any places that allow a non-concealed carry? Like a holster on the hip? The reason I think of this is, for example, one time recently I brought a girl out to a restuarant and there was a bar attached and some guys were started to get too intoxicated at the bar. Me and the girl were sitting in the other area just eating and minding our own business, we weren't bothered but they bothered some other people. Now in that situation for me and my friend's protection might it have been better to have it visable as a detterent in case they became violent instead of having to actually pull it out if the situation became extreme?

Just asking these questions, I can also understand why you would want no one to know.

30 cal slob
April 26, 2007, 08:52 AM
i've been known to wear 5.11 pants ... on laundry day. but otherwise it's jeans and a photog vest when i'm not at the office.

i have a safari outback vest from newport army and navy surplus ($40 - recommended to me by an LEO a few years back):

http://www.newportarmynavy.com/index2.htm

http://www.newportarmynavy.com/rothco/7570.jpg

to the trained eye, a photog vest is a dead CCW giveaway nowadays, but i haven't had cops come up to me and demand to search me or anything.

i also have a sig-tac vest. now, if a photog vest is a dead giveway, a sig-tac vest is a bright neon sign that says "hey, i've got a gun on me." it looks too gunny. and it's got a visible "sig tac" emblem on the hanger loop on the back. i cut mine off.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/botach_1942_82173678

funny anecdote - i got a compliment on my sigtac vest wrom a costco employee (the greeter who checks yer costco id at the door).

i know there are many vests out there, but i already have two and the ones i've seen (like concealed carry clothiers) look way too frumpy on me.

NM234
April 26, 2007, 08:52 AM
Also if you didn't have to conceal you could have a bigger gun, like a full size instead of a mini.

But like I said I can also see why it would be a bad idea.

Rickstir
April 26, 2007, 08:53 AM
cslinger +1

Most people walk around in a fog. They never make eye contact. That is one reason using eye contact is an effective marker. Let's a person know you are fully aware of what is going on. I've used it on a couple of occasions, one I was sure was going to go bad in a grocery store. The tip-off guy suddenly had second thoughts and they all left. I was not packing but I was aware of my surroundings. I was actually thinking of backing out of the check out line but the situation changed for the better.

I live in a rural area next to a large fishing lake. Vests are rather common place around here. I often wear my 5.11 vest on errands, until it gets too hot. I also work in a college town and carry a Maxipedition bag. Again, bags are a dime a dozen around town and no one makes a second glance.

NM234
April 26, 2007, 08:54 AM
being younger and the area I'm from ALOT of people where baggy clothes, so if I ever have a CCW I think it would be easy to keep it secret.

jeepman77cj5
April 26, 2007, 09:01 AM
OT probably, sorry

Loucks? Which ubg holster did you get? I just ordered a Striker 1 for my XD40sc from him. 3-4 weeks out. Can't wait!!! aaaaaaargh

bhk
April 26, 2007, 09:01 AM
Although I hardly ever wear a photo/safari type vest, I don't think the 'give away' is as great as in might have once been. A quick walk around Bass Pro, Cabelas, and even regular department stores will reveal these types of vests available in all of them. I'll bet fewer than 1 in 10 is sold to a CCWer.

Byron Quick
April 26, 2007, 09:09 AM
Also if you didn't have to conceal you could have a bigger gun, like a full size instead of a mini.


JShirley, one of the mods here(who will be coming home from Afghanistan any day now:D) is 5'6" and weighs a whopping 130 lbs. He can conceal a S&W N frame under a T shirt. So can I even though I'm much bigger. I carry a 5" 1911. Concealed.

People are not as observant as some of y'all seem to think. I carry open sometimes. Walked around a WalMart SuperCenter for an hour a few weeks ago with the 1911 in a Galco OWB holster and no cover. No one took a second look, folks...I don't think anyone noticed it.

Back in the '70's with shoulder length hair, tie dyed t shirt, and sandals, I opened carried a Browning HiPower. Once in a blue moon, I'd get a comment...most people assumed I was an undercover cop.

Cato the Younger
April 26, 2007, 09:11 AM
I think most people my age (college/grad student) do this, therefore, I feel like I am not giving anything away by it. The side pocket fits a kel-tec in it pretty easily, so I don't feel like its a big deal. Although since I just got my CCW yesterday, I feel like everyone knows that I have a gun on me- and I did check every 5-10 minutes to make sure I was not printing.

Dorryn
April 26, 2007, 09:14 AM
It's also a big tell if youre pushing a tactical wheelbarrow.

tydephan
April 26, 2007, 09:34 AM
I have nothing of value to add, other than to wonder if I have witnessed one of the signs of an approaching apocalypse.

If I may make an analogy, boy george once said "It's not like I walk into a sandwich shop and say oh hello, I'd like a turkey sub- and by the way, I'm gay." so be quiet about outing your fellow packers, wouldja?

Boy George, quoted on a gun board. :D :D :p :neener:

CajunBass
April 26, 2007, 09:34 AM
I don't have a beard. I don't wear a vest. I don't even know what 5.11, or however it's written, pants are. ( I don't guess they're Wal-Mart jeans?)

Besides I open carry most of the time, and I don't think many people "make" me even then. Or they just don't give a hoot.

jcramin
April 26, 2007, 09:38 AM
I was at a buddies Window Tint shop when to kids come walking in, I say kids cause they where late 20's. My buddy tells them the SUV isnt ready yet and he needed to keep it over the weekend. They decide since the SUV is staying they need to get their AR-15 and 870 out of the lock box in back. After talking they say they are US Marshals. So I ask one a handgun carry question. Before he even answers he starts looking me up and down trying to find out where my gun is. I happen to have jean shorts and a tucked tshirt with an unbutton short sleeve shirt. It sholda been obvious by the unbutton shirt that I had it at 4 oclock but he just kept lookin as he answered. I always carry at 3 or 4 oclock under a tshirt or un buttoned shirt. BUT in Tennessee we dont have to hide it if we dont want to, I just choose to hide it.

J

shaggycat
April 26, 2007, 09:45 AM
I am also not so sure the knife would be a reliable tell. At my southern college, every good ole boy has a folder in his front pocket. I'm talking like, 1/4 to 1/2 of the males on campus. And, living on campus, none of us are carrying, most aren't even old enough to carry.

deadin
April 26, 2007, 10:03 AM
What is this? A game? "I know what you got and you can't see mine?" Or is it, in some cases, 'HE HE HE I can't show it to you, but I can give hints that I'm "packing". Ooohh, I'm Bad!".
You know, I really don't give a D*** if you're carrying, and I'm sure not interested in anything you may have in your pants.:rolleyes: :evil: :barf:

texas bulldog
April 26, 2007, 10:48 AM
...coming from the retail biz, we usually see fanny packs and baggy clothing as signs of shoplifters, not concealed carry. don't see a whole lot of photog vests...

elric
April 26, 2007, 11:10 AM
and when I see a fanny pack I figure its either a gun or someone with really poor taste (actually I assume its a gun carried by someone with really poor taste )

I have a friend that is diabetic, and carries his diabetes stuff around in a fanny pack, so that's one thing I tend to think of when I see fanny packs.

hankdatank1362
April 26, 2007, 11:25 AM
Hell yes 5.11 tells! But only to us gunnies. One of my criminal justice professors was asking us "What makes you think someone might be carrying a gun?"

My response : "If they're dressed like you, sir!" Classic, b/c the guy had on the full 5.11 pants and boots, with the longsleeve shirt with his sleeves rolled up!

Me? I dress how any 22 year old male who lives at the beach dresses... T-shirts, baggy cargo shorts, and flip flops. I can hide anything in there. Although, those darn flip flops are gonna be the death of me if I ever have to run for some reason!

Eleven Mike
April 26, 2007, 11:29 AM
someone watching with a knowledgeable will spot it in a heartbeat.

Ooh, what are these knowledgeables and where can I get one? :neener:

I'm a gun guy, been a gun guy for several years now. I don't have any gunnie friends, or at least they never talk about their guns very much. But I do read THR and gun mags, and I know what 5.11 pants are, and other CCW stuff. I have never carried in civilian clothes, but I plan on getting there eventually.

That said, I have never made anyone. Maybe it's because my state just got CCW a few years back. But the point is, every time I see a funny-looking something on someone's hip, it turns out to be a phone or a PDA. Or if it is a gun, it seems pretty obvious they're a cop. Or maybe I'm oblivious, too.

Ian
April 26, 2007, 11:50 AM
I once had a stranger notice my Galco instructor's belt and start up a gun conversion because of it...

Geronimo45
April 26, 2007, 12:47 PM
Ooh, what are these knowledgeables and where can I get one?
At any upscale Mall.

Boats
April 26, 2007, 12:59 PM
I got tired of always trying to figure out non-goofy looking covering garments and now simply go with the mostly baggy and relaxed fit pants that just scream "normal" and selected pocket carriable revolvers as my CCW. I don't miss IWB carry at all.

Guns_and_Labs
April 26, 2007, 01:00 PM
I don't even know what 5.11, or however it's written, pants are.

A very practical alternative to jeans, designed by Royal Robbins for rockclimbing long before they became tacticool. I wear them all the time. In the Bay Area, they are considered more "Berkeley" than "gun", particularly the shorts.

Of course, the vests are a bit more obvious. The pockets are all wrong for photography, but if you stick a dry fly or two on your lapel, they look a lot like a fishing vest (in fact, that's all I use mine for is fishing).

Gordon Fink
April 26, 2007, 01:19 PM
I wear Danner boots and sometimes put on a fleece vest when it gets cold, but I live in California, so I am usually unarmed. Please don’t hurt me!

~G. Fink

secamp32
April 26, 2007, 01:22 PM
"762x39" I laughed at that and of course my wife had no idea what that meant.

tmajors
April 26, 2007, 02:35 PM
If you live in a high CCW area like I do you can go hang out at Walmart for an hour and people watch. On an average grocery trip I can make at least one other definite CCWer and a few possibles.

DomMega
April 26, 2007, 02:44 PM
I would say for IWB holsters, I wouldn't even buy one for any less than $65-100 minimum. My XD 40 Galco IWB was about $70 or so and I know if I get a glock, that holster will be about $100 and last forever.

SniperStraz
April 26, 2007, 02:55 PM
Say what now?

Big Calhoun
April 26, 2007, 03:22 PM
I observe the usual...fanny packs, baggy clothing, awkward touching or adjusting, bulges where they shouldn't be, awkward augmentation of the body to turn/lift/etc.

Personally, I prefer to dress in loose and untucked clothing. For a night on the town, I'll thrown on a blazer.

Sage of Seattle
April 26, 2007, 03:24 PM
When I was in high school and early college, I dressed like crap. Sweat pants and untucked (obviously) shirts were the norm -- with holes in the sweats even. In 1988 I bought a trench coat, navy blue, and wore that all year round for like, ten years. After I got my CWP in 1992, I carried a 5" 1911 in a shoulder rig under the jacket or trench coat I wore and I only got made once when the leather of the shoulder rig peeked out a bit from under my jacket one day. It was in a pizza parlor and the pizza guy said, "do you carry a gun?" I responded, "yeah." And he said, "Oh. That's cool."

More recently, I just dress in business casual for the most part. Khakis and button down shirts, a tie once in a while, even on weekends. Since I'm a big proponent of open carry, I think a hurkin' chunk of stainless steel in a black leather holster is a fairly obvious clue that one is carrying...

As far as CC is concerned, especially now since I'm in a wheelchair, crossdraw is my only viable option, so I'll go for a Commander-sized .45 in a belly band under the shirt. I've found those to be the most comfortable.

arthurcw
April 26, 2007, 03:37 PM
I love these threads.

Repeat after me: “We live in a free country. We do not have to wear what everyone else does. It’s called freedom of expression. I will learn to deal with it even among my fellow gunnies.”*

Wear what ever makes it easy to keep a gun on you. If it torques off a gunny or non gunny, who cares?

I think I would have been pretty put out if someone came up to me out of the blue and asked about a concealed weapon that was still concealed by any legal definition.

Now if it’s pokin’ out and about to get a person in trouble, then a polite, “ahem…,” is very much in order.

Really people, this is a gun board not a fashion show. Making people feel like a pariah for having the audacity to carry a gun with out “style” or in insufficiently muted clothing is really off the mission statement.

When some guy (other than the rebel guards aboard Princes Leia’s ship) gets shot first for wearing a vest or fanny pack or some tacticool jeans, then maybe it will warrant the deep consideration many seem to put into this topic.

No one but gunnies ever notice. There are no schools that teach this to criminals. Any criminal masterminds that do know about this are most likely NOT the ones you are going to face in a SD situation.

However, if you are in a high rise and a group of well funded terrorists attack or on board a space ship running from the Empire, then you may be toast.**


*Full disclosure: I used to care; now I don’t. Too many other things to worry about.

**the poster assumes no responsibility if you are shot by stormtroopers, strangled by Darth Vader, forced to sit thorough countless puns of the lead bad guy/terrorist, or laughed at by teenagers.

Geronimo45
April 26, 2007, 03:44 PM
Arthurcw, couldn't agree with ya more.

I now quote one of my heroes (me):

"Unless you guys are pocket carrying (which is apparently not the norm here), or ankle carrying (hated), you're probably carrying a gun on your belt. Since most states don't allow open carry, I'm thinking that you've got to have a cover garment of some kind... and I doubt that you're being stylish.

You folks seem to be more afraid of the 'Queer Eye' gang jumping you than you are of an axe murderer." - Geronimo45.

george29
April 26, 2007, 03:46 PM
I believe people tend to notice the things that interest them, so yes, a CCW person will automatically play the "I wonder If He is Carrying Game", I know I do it automatically, it is about mental awareness and being in the proper condition. My ex is a Dentist, the first thing she notices about people is their teeth (seriously), then their hands (I don't know why) and then their eyes. I think this may be a female thing as past GF's have shown similar inclinations. As has been previously mentioned, I doubt most people notice much at all and I too am afflicted with the constant holster touch, even when I used to wear a unform. It is a reassuring thing and I think I got into this habit as a young 7 year old watching Adam-12 where Reed (the younger cop) lost his revolver in a foot pursuit, somehow this made a huge impression on me. I carry OWB with a Bianchi Accumold (one of the best OWB holsters I ever owned) though my main carry is front pocket and in certain pants the print is obvious so I sometimes jam a spare wallet over it to break the print.

Sage of Seattle
April 26, 2007, 03:47 PM
You folks seem to be more afraid of the 'Queer Eye' gang jumping you than you are of an axe murderer." - Geronimo45.

Well, frankly with how some of the gunnies dress, which do you think is much more likely?

arthurcw
April 26, 2007, 03:55 PM
You folks seem to be more afraid of the 'Queer Eye' gang jumping you than you are of an axe murderer." - Geronimo45.

CAN'T BREATH!!!
LAUGHING TOO HARD!!!

Well, frankly with how some of the gunnies dress, which do you think is much more likely?

Ok. We need to get a CCW'er nominated to "What Not to Wear" and make the hosts dress them around their weapon. They could do a location shoot since we wouldn't want Emperor Bloomberg to fudge his huggies.

Sage of Seattle
April 26, 2007, 04:04 PM
We need to get a CCW'er nominated to "What Not to Wear" and make the hosts dress them around their weapon.

OOH! OOHH! PICK ME! PICK ME!

I think Stacy can sass me any ole time! And even though I generally prefer brunettes, Carmindy is drop dead gorgeous. I'm gonna go dig out those old sweat pants!

MarkDido
April 26, 2007, 04:08 PM
Wow... I must not be a CCW'er... I have no facial hair... Darn... then what the heck is this pesky Smitty 4506 doing on my belt? However did that get there?

I only have a moustache, which allows me to carry my KT P-32

If I grow a goatee, maybe I can carry mt PT-911?

sm
April 26, 2007, 04:09 PM
It was I that mentioned Knives clipped to pockets gives off perspectives.

Now Mindset and how one carries themselves, is a huge part of CCW.
Add the fact some folks are totally oblivious to surroundings, I mean they walk into bright yellow parked car, because they did not see it.

I have stood behind questionable persons and listened to them "case a person" and tactical knives are one thing they do watch for.
If the guy is dressed where pretty obvious he is a workman of some type, the Razor knives are often seen, as are Buck 110s and Lethermans on belts.

Still the way some carry themselves, like fiddling with that knife or being un-natural in how they move do tip off BGs.

They made a off duty cop in plainclothes in a heart beat. They even knew the "COD".
First tip was the tactical knife, second was how he moved.

Now I have met some on this board, some in LEO and these LEOs do not carry themselves "like a cop".


Security Folks, from $8 an hour to armed to more skilled an experienced look for "tips".
I listened at a Place, with metal detectors and they game was picking out folks before they got to the Security area.

They blew it with one lady, UC LEO and they had no hint what so ever of being armed, and she had legal business allowing her stay armed.

I bought a large amount of Levi Jeans 20 years ago, before everything went Political and Boycott.

I have attended Anti-Gun, PETA meeting and other such events, to "know thy enemy" and "Levis are good they support us" was shared. "Us" meaning gun grabbers. "Guns are bad" and you name it.
I was armed, so were others with me, of my kind.
Yep, somehow them boxes of gun locks and literature walked off too...

Heck I have Anti-Guns folks ride in a vehicle with me, and other Pro Gun College Students for a Class Project and never even know there were two shotguns in the vehicle. They sat their gear right next to them, and even moved them over.
:)

Perceptions, I speak of perceptions.

I have also had bad representatives of Gun Owners invite me out to learn how to shoot, even learn how to shoot skeet with a shotgun.
"I thought only Military and Police could own and use semi-auto shotguns" I said.

Forget the fact I only had 11 shotguns in the truck, and most were semi-autos. We won't mention 6 ARs.

:D

JohnRov
April 26, 2007, 04:19 PM
You folks seem to be more afraid of the 'Queer Eye' gang jumping you than you are of an axe murderer." - Geronimo45.

:D I'll be the first to admit that I am completely vain. I wouldn't be caught dead in a photog vest or Hawaiin shirt. That said, I don't care how others dress.

PPGMD
April 26, 2007, 04:25 PM
I might be caught in a photog vest, but I am often hauling two D200s and a 400 2.8 on a monopod while wearing it.

Now a Hawaiian shirt, move to Florida, light Hawaiian type shirts are quite popular here. Personally I just use a cheap Fobus holster until I decide exactly what I want to use for concealed carry, then I am going to get a nice Tucker Gun Leather holster.

PaladinX13
April 26, 2007, 04:49 PM
Lifted, shamelessly, from GT:

-Pulling down a shirt or jacket.
-Odd or inappropriate clothing for conditions. Vests/jackets in hot weather for example.
-Fanny packs when pants have plenty of pockets.
-Fanny packs that obviously have something heavy in them.
-One arm kept close to where a holster probably would be. This arm doesn't swing freely with walking motions. Shoulder holsters generally have this "tell" more often than waist holsters because shoulder holsters tend to flop around a bit.
-Hitching up trousers often. There is a reason those pants keep falling down. Could be suspenders are needed or it could be something heavy on the belt or in the pocket keeps dragging them down.
-Exceptionally long pant legs with one leg where the material doesn't "flow" as well as the other when walking. Indication of a possible ankle holster restricting the pant leg's motion.
-Elbow checking gun.
-Belt at an angle. Possible weight pulling it down.
-Sagging pants or jacket pockets.
-Reluctance to remove a jacket when inside a building.
-One arm furtively holding a shirt from riding up when reaching for something.
-Shoulder going up before exiting a car as the gun is either reholsterd, checked for positioning, or clothing adjusted.
-Keeping one side of the body at a slight angle away from the person in front of them.
-Sudden "ramping up" of awareness level when a stranger gets too close to the gun side.
-Changing positions to keep one side away when approached by a stranger.
-Swinging wider than necessary to get through a door.
-Taking an advantageous position in a room when there are plenty of other places available.
-Constantly scanning the area showing a high level of awareness and alertness but without any signs of fear.
-Keeping attention on a shady character but without any signs of fear or apprehension.
-A hand goes into a pocket, and stays there, when a shady character is spotted.
-Even how a person walks can be an indicator. Heavy weights on one side cause a slight lean that goes unnoticed by the person carrying.
-Hugging with arms under the other person's arms forcing their arms away from bumping a gun.
-A dull "thud" if something is bumped into.
-General demeanor............... Ever notice the mannerisms and vibes projected by an off duty cop? Concealed carriers have a somewhat similar but lesser degree of confidence and situational awareness that shows.
-And even the smell of leather... unless a person is wearing a leather garment of some kind the smell of leather can indicate a holster.

---
For my part, whenever I'm in PA or upstate NY, I try to spot those concealing and carrying, and often catch quite a few. In NJ, where basically no one carries, I'm convinced they'd be spotted (although, not necessarily "outed" because people here would- probably- largely assume them to be cops). I think the State you're in determines how much people are willing to "tolerate" a bulge... I suspect what qualifies for "invisible" in a lot of other places wouldn't fly here, sadly.

karben17
April 26, 2007, 05:15 PM
How about some input from the women out there? I haven't found a way to carry in a belt holster with my normal dress without printing. I have a fanny pack, and agree it looks pretty dumb. My latest idea is a Galco backpack with holster compartment. I know it isn't useful for quick access, but here in the Northeast, the styling and basic black leather blends in well. The only tell-tale sign is maybe the side zipper.

Here it is:
http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum1924.php

Nomad, 2nd
April 26, 2007, 06:02 PM
Since so many are worrying 'WHY' we are talking about this (Why not)
I will explain my reasoning:
Some people choose to carry in a location where they will be arrested if they are 'made' these people should be extra careful as (Some) Cops are fairly skilled at picking out people who carry.

Also, do NOT underestimate the criminal mind...

IMHO, looking out for people 'packing' is just another part of living in condition yellow.
(And I spoke to him when there was no one else there.)

My problem is... I walk/stand/sit like a Marine... so i am often mistaken for a cop. This helps when someone's acting big and bad... and is bad when/if I ever run into someone with something to prove.
(Which is why I prefer NOT to open carry when I'm in a state where it's legal...)

Carry on. ;)

sm
April 26, 2007, 06:10 PM
karben17,

Welcome to THR.

May I suggest going here to assist with your holster and concealment questions:

http://www.corneredcat.com/

Steve

Eleven Mike
April 26, 2007, 06:49 PM
My problem is... I walk/stand/sit like a Marine...

Don't worry. A lot of straight men happen to be effeminate. Just take pride in who you are, even if you weren't man enough for the army. :neener:

skidooman
April 26, 2007, 07:05 PM
I have been "made" before, i usually wear either wranglers or carhartt double fronts, this particular time i was in carhartts and a t-shirt, i was washing my hands in a walmart restroom, as the door opened i glanced over to see a gentleman about 50-55 walk through the door and head to the urinal, we caught eye contact and gave a nod, i went back to washing my hands, thats when he spoke up, asked me "Reno or Sparks" I responded with an "excuse me sir" he then said, "you're a cop right?" i said "no sir I'm not" he responded with an "oh, saw part of your holster and thought you were."
On another occasion unfortunately to the mall christmas shopping with my girlfriend, we were eating in the food court and she elbows me in the ribs and gave a head nod to a guy walking by, nothing special pointed this guy out, but the fact that his shirt was up a little bit and you could see his Glock Sub-compact. She said she never noticed that kind of stuff until she started dating me. :D

jeepman77cj5
April 27, 2007, 03:03 AM
Quote:
My problem is... I walk/stand/sit like a Marine...

Don't worry. A lot of straight men happen to be effeminate. Just take pride in who you are, even if you weren't man enough for the army.


whoa....<taking cover>

Nomad, 2nd
April 27, 2007, 03:06 AM
Dude, I had army dogs around me in iraq...

I would rather be without backup than have those guys as my react!

(All BSing aside... don't feel like this time of the morning.)

Flame away...

PercyShelley
April 27, 2007, 03:33 AM
Do any of you CCW ers feel or display apprehension when approaching anti-theft detectors at bookstores and libraries?

No_Brakes23
April 27, 2007, 05:33 AM
You know I bet there are a ton of Climbers who have no clue that one of the companies in their support industry has been adopted by the tacticool set.

I think 5.11s are just as likely to make someone think you climb or hike as carry. I have wondered about the knife top thing, though. I always carried a knife cause I couldn't carry a pistol, and I discovered the knife was actually pretty useful.

Caimlas
April 27, 2007, 05:59 AM
Almost everything that we consider a dead giveaway of someone carrying, 99.9% of the general population wouldn't notice.

And it wouldn't matter a bit. The problem is that the 0.1% remaining is usually in the predatory or police segments of society. In the case of the latter, that's a problem where it's illegal to "carry openly" and the cops like to harass people. In the case of the former, it's a problem because they'll know you as a threat and will therefore be gunning for you if they're trying to pull something.

So, best to go unseen.

SniperStraz
April 27, 2007, 09:16 AM
I always carried a knife cause I couldn't carry a pistol, and I discovered the knife was actually pretty useful.
So true, I couldn't live without a knife. I use a knife for everything. But I have a lot of friends who carry knives that don't even own a guns. Its not a very good sign. Unless you're in NYC or something.

Simple Man
April 27, 2007, 09:30 AM
Actually I have never been concerned if others are packing or not. I know I am and that is all that really matters to me.

karben17
April 27, 2007, 10:29 AM
Hi Steve (SM),

Thanks very much for the link to www.corneredcat.com. This is the best site devoted to women/gun issues that I've seen! The discussions on holsters, etc. are very useful. Thanks again!

Kim

Dravur
April 27, 2007, 11:40 AM
Just pat down everyone I meet.

Eleven Mike
April 27, 2007, 11:42 AM
I only pat down those that appear suspicious. I am very suspicious of attractive young women.

the naked prophet
April 27, 2007, 11:57 AM
I saw a guy in applebees who had two speedloader pouches on his belt at the 1:00 position. That was kinda a dead giveaway.

anotherKevin
April 27, 2007, 12:11 PM
Good point. I wonder if my "Celebrate Diversity (http://www.thoseshirts.com/diversitybk.html)" shirt gives the game away?

Geronimo45
April 27, 2007, 12:13 PM
I only pat down those that appear suspicious. I am very suspicious of attractive young women.
Good plan. It's always the innocent ones that turn out to be guilty.

Eleven Mike
April 27, 2007, 01:02 PM
Dear Geronimo 45,

Did you not read my earlier post? You are a wicked person. Wicked, wicked, wicked. :mad:











;)

Cesiumsponge
April 27, 2007, 03:13 PM
I don't think I have one specific article of clothing marketed specifically to the gun market. I just wear jeans, a non-tucked t-shirt, carry a Microtech manual folder in the front pocket, and a full sized 1911 in a cheapo IWB and dress-belt style gun belt until I egg Blade-tech enough to make me one with TLR-1 support. I've never had problems carrying a full sized 1911 (5'7" 170lb) but I have been making plans to move over to a subcompact XD40 just for ease of carry on an extended day. A full-sized gets kind of annoying when it's pressed up against you when driving and whatnot.

Do any of you CCW ers feel or display apprehension when approaching anti-theft detectors at bookstores and libraries?

Those things detect specific RFID tags they put on products. They usually look like stickers with a foil, coil, or similar piece of metal embedded that will set off anti-theft detectors. They can usually be avoided by walking around the furthest one and in/out the door if you were a shoplifter since there is usually a 1-2 foot gap between them and the entrance way; they're more for deterrence than actual usefulness I feel.

Dorryn
April 27, 2007, 06:48 PM
Ive never been "made" carrying either IWB (around 2 o'clock) or with my ankle holster. But I would love to be caught by a fellow gun enthusiast- not to neccessarily spark conversation, but simply to correct any of those "errors" or tells I may be unneccessarily displaying. Corrective criticism would be great, in order to avoid either harassment/panic on the part of antis and to avoid detection by BGs.

Sir Aardvark
April 27, 2007, 11:41 PM
Certain people carrying those largish-sized leather "Day Planners" set me off.

You just know that there is a Glock 22 in them.

Jeff22
April 28, 2007, 01:07 AM
Dress to fit in with the environment you're in, and nobody will know the difference.

Where I live, wearing Royal Robbins or 5.11 pants makes people think you're a hiker or backpacker.

The 5.11 vest with the big pouches on the front for a 30 round M-16 mag do stand out, and I just use mine for practicing from concealment at the range.

If you want a photojournalist type vest that is not as obvious, check out Orvis or Filson or Dulth Trading Company.

This summer I think I'm going to get a Hawaiian type shirt, cut extra long, to help conceal little guns in an IWB holster.

The posters who have made the point that you can sometimes detect a CCW permit holder or off duty cop because they are obviously scanning the environment and have good situational awareness is very true. HOWEVER, many of my co-workers at the PD don't seem to have that much situational awareness when they're on duty

Tharg
April 28, 2007, 04:25 AM
At work i wear a "happy shirt" (my hawaiian's) every friday :P so there! Nothin wrong w/ wearing a shirt that says "i need more batteries!" hehe

My Leatherman has been a constant companion to me for over 6 years now, i got it as a x-mas present and its what actually got me to start wearing belts... rofl. As a computer tech that thing is the BOMB, knives, screwdrivers, pliers... helps on the farm too 90% of the time until something more is required :)

Guess it wouldn't be a large leap for me to have a iwb kind of holster, job requires tucked in shirts tho so makes it a bit difficult. The car suffices as an unhappy median. Thankfully Texas passed that law that lets you keep yer gun in your car on company property even if they prohibit it. Prolly still lose my job for helping someone out... but at least i'd have a chance (however small) at helping someone out.

J/Tharg!

gunsmith
April 28, 2007, 06:46 AM
The biggest tell is frequently touching the gun. People who are new to CCW are always afraid their gun is exposed or about to fall out of it's holster, so there is a natural tendency to touch it often. Sometimes it's so subconscious you don't even realize you're doing it, but someone watching with a knowledgeable will spot it in a heartbeat.

Yup, I was visiting FL and was looking like an LE due to a shirt my LE brother gave me plus a NRA hat, a big guy in street clothes was on the beach, he had a fanny pack on...the beach was a gun free zone...he tapped his fanny pack and looked at me real nervous...I saw him again 20 minutes later, no fanny pack.

I use a retention holster and generally could care less who sees me, I barely conceal as NV is an open carry state

gunsmith
April 28, 2007, 06:52 AM
Do any of you CCW ers feel or display apprehension when approaching anti-theft detectors at bookstores and libraries?

used to, but now that I'm in NV it doesn't.
They never go off anyway.

RealGun
April 28, 2007, 09:19 AM
Now that so many have phones and beepers on their belt, it makes it easier to carry concealed. Hawaiian style shirts are fashionable enough that wearing that cut of shirt and having a bulge at the belt line is just too ubiquitous to draw attention. In colder weather, carrying concealed is too easy to accomplish to bother discussing as a general concern. What colder weather does for me is cause a switch in type of holster.

luzyfuerza
April 28, 2007, 08:55 PM
No one has ever told me that they "made" my piece visually, but a woman did bump into me from behind (and my IWB Glock at 4 o'clock) while we were waiting to be seated in a restaurant. I know she felt the gun, but I didn't react and she didn't look surprised. Maybe the thought of my steel-hard love handles had her curious, but, I doubt that the question stayed on her mind for even three seconds.

Life went on. The food was good. Everybody went home at the end of the night. A perfect scenario.

Eleven Mike
April 30, 2007, 11:12 PM
Thankfully Texas passed that law that lets you keep yer gun in your car on company property even if they prohibit it.

So, it's a good thing that Texas is violating the right to private property? :confused:

John Henry Holliday
April 30, 2007, 11:22 PM
No one around my area pays any attention whatsoever to clothing, as far as conceal wear goes. Not even LEOs pay any attention, of if they do, they sure don't show it.

coulta
May 1, 2007, 04:56 AM
Anybody with a vest or fanny pack and facial hair.

1911 guy
May 1, 2007, 09:28 AM
I've got to be honest, I don't care about the guy in 5.11 clothing, carrying a 75 dollar knife and toting a 100 dollar holster. Hate to bust your ego, but I'll look at you for two seconds and move on. If you can afford it and care enough to spend the money, 99.9% of the time you're the good guy.

The guys I really get concerned with are the tennis shoe wearing, T-shirt hanging to their knees, baggy coat, constantly fidgeting with their pants types. Add on behavior that telegraphs 1) looking for trouble or 2) looking for an easy mark, and you've got the recipe for someone with a gun that may or may not be packing at the moment.

Exhibit A would be the three "youths" in Wendy's last night. They were dressed as described, constantly eyeballed everyone, it took them ten minutes to order ONE sandwich, two kept leaving the third at the register and seemed to get very annoyed when I wouldn't let one behind me. For all I know, they could have been out for a snack, just like me, after a day of honest work. That's not what the dress and behavior said, though.

Im283
May 1, 2007, 10:18 AM
Been reading y'alls list of tells and I think you are all paranoid.

Had no idea what 5.11 pants were until just now after Googling them. Doubt I will ever have any. But I do have a preference for cargo pocketed shorts.

Camo around here is a common as people wearing shoes. And way too many are wearing boots for them all to be concealed.

About all the males I know carry some sort of knife be it pocket style or one with a clip.

I have been wearing two t-shirts for longer than I can remember regardless of the temperature. I picked up that habit from all the college kids I have worked with over the years, and they weren't packing.

I love slightly oversize button down denim or flannel shirts, see lots of people wearing them as well.

Can't say I remember seeing anyone wearing a photog vest

Now the odds that all these people I notice dressed like me are carrying are pretty slim.

Next time I am about and about I will be looking for people carrying, maybe I will notice it now.

Great food for thought thread, interesting reading for sure.

ECB
May 1, 2007, 01:01 PM
I dress seasonally:
Winter: Full size .45
Fall/Spring: Compact .45
Summer: 2 in J Frame

normal
May 1, 2007, 04:21 PM
I pretty much have all of the tells:
5.11 pants-check.
Sigtac vest-check
knife with pocket clip-2 checks
my favorite hat (with big XD on it)-check

However, I am not worried because I live in a place where there is no concealed carry (Illinois) and the most popular stores in the town are Wally World and the local gun/surplus store. Just about everyone wears camo or cargo pants, so I don't get a second look. When people are not looking for a concealed pistol, they most likely will not see one.

The Unknown User
May 1, 2007, 04:39 PM
There's more to concealing a weapon that just keeping it from view.

The way you carry yourself says a lot more than anything else.

Meet my friend, Jack. He's in shape, stands up straight, and has a smile on his face. He looks like your average guy. But, on his way into his local supermarket, the wind presses his shirt up against his gun, which is holstered on his hip. Nobody will care.

Now meet my other friend, Tom. He's slightly overweight, is pissed off after finding out his cat urinated on his bed, and so he has a bit of a grimace on his face at the moment. As he walks into the same supermarket, the wind grabs his weak side jacket, which he didn't bother to zip up, and it exposes the butt of his pistol, which is secured with a shoulder holster.

Part of concealing a weapon successfully is not making it known, and the other part is giving off the impression it's not a problem if it is made to be known.

PH/CIB
May 1, 2007, 04:43 PM
I carry in Cargo Pocket pants or Cargo Pocket shorts which practically everyone wears and even though it looks like I have something in my pocket, it does not look like a handgun, and I have not been made yet. http://www.handgunholsters.net

ctdonath
May 1, 2007, 09:19 PM
Over the years, I've only "made" two people.
One was wearing the same Galco fannypack I have, right down to the fast-open dongle hanging out.
The other was the CEO of Kodak ... the printing thru the suit jacket, plus the right arm blocking at 4:00, made it pretty plain.

logical
May 1, 2007, 10:56 PM
There was another Dad that always came to my son's soccer games wearing a black fanny pack at 12 o'clock that he was constantly adjusting but never opening and seemed almost embarassed to be wearing. He had that classic cop look (mustache, 70's haircut, etc.) so I assumed he was an off duty LEO. This was before MI was a shall-issue state. I learned late in the season he was a local cop.

cutter172
May 1, 2007, 11:31 PM
I wear a vest but, as an electrician, the pockets are usually so full of screws, wire nuts and other assorted parts; you probably couldn't tell there is a gun under there. I also figure that due to all of the assorted metal parts, I have a de facto Level III ballistic vest (just kidding). I have dumped the vest on some occasions and carried in a pocket or on an ankle (or both) and had friends who know I carry say "I don't believe it! I have never seen you unarmed before." Relaxed fit Wrangler jeans go well with a model 60 S&W in an ankle rig.

tradja
May 2, 2007, 12:53 AM
For me, the double-layer stitched CCW-style gun belt is a dead giveaway. When a customer comes into my place of business wearing such a nice belt, I usually see the OR CCW card in their wallet when they take it out to pay.

PaladinX13
May 2, 2007, 03:25 AM
Michael Bane weighs in on this thread in his podcast!
http://www.downrange.tv/podcast.htm

KD5NRH
May 2, 2007, 03:43 AM
If I may make an analogy, boy george once said "It's not like I walk into a sandwich shop and say oh hello, I'd like a turkey sub- and by the way, I'm gay." so be quiet about outing your fellow packers, wouldja?

If I'm ever as obviously packing as he is obviously gay, it will have to involve the tactical wheelbarrow...and something along the lines of a Ma Deuce.

arthurcw
May 2, 2007, 01:16 PM
Michael Bane weighs in on this thread in his podcast!
http://www.downrange.tv/podcast.htm

HAH!!! *snort* That was funny!

Archer1945
May 2, 2007, 08:08 PM
What makes this all so funny to me is photographers vests were around before CCW vests, in fact most of the time they are a cross between a fly fishing vest and a safari jacket/vest. Fanny packs were developed for runners and/or hikers who had to have an easy way to carry money and car keys. They are also popular with travelers because they allow a person to carry valuables in a way that makes them somewhat harder to be stolen than a backpack.

The one thing that does make CCW fanny/waist packs rather obvious is the black nylon. Most people who use fanny/waist packs for what they were designed for don't have a black one unless it is leather, the nylon ones come in various colors.

Carbon_15
May 2, 2007, 08:27 PM
I'm pretty hard to spot. I almost always wear jean s and a tee-shirt or polo. I mostly carry in my back pocket. No 5-11 gear, fanny packs, or photog jackets. I do carry a pocket clip knife, but so does every other male over age 10 around here.

hrgrisso
May 2, 2007, 08:43 PM
Geronimo loses the "pepsi all over the keyboard" award. Now goes to paxthe guy in a T-shirt and jeans (like myself) might be packing a small nine, but the guy in the denim vest is gonna pull out an iron that'll make a baddy himself at the sight of..

Also Shooter McGavin I really like getting a cheap Uncle Mike's for new guns. That way if after a bit I decide I really didn't want to carry that one, I haven't bought a rather expensive holster. One trick I learned, try putting the holster between the belt and the pants. The belt will hold the holster in place without making a OWB holster uncomfortable as an IWB. Try it, I like it!

Erik
May 3, 2007, 03:58 PM
In no particular order:

Most don't notice what is obvious to some.

Don't make it easier for the "some."

Habits and manerisms (already outlined) are the biggest tells. They'll gice you away to people who know them.

Clothing isn't a tell per se when you think about it, but it sure narrows the field on who to pay attention to looking for tells.

"Tactical clothing" might be the exception to the above. Wearing 5.11 pants, a safari vest, and a raven ball cap? Carrier.

So what to do about it? Try to blend in, comfortable enough carrying that you don't gun-check or readjust constantly through out the day, displaying normal body language, while wearing clothing adapted to carrying without screaming "look at me." Simple, right? Riiiight, ;-)

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