6 shot j-frame?


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Soybomb
April 26, 2007, 01:48 AM
So did s&w ever make anything like a 6 shot j-frame? I always wind up seeing colt detectives and can't help but think how much I'd like that extra round in what seems like a marginally larger package. I'd snap up a 642+1 in a hurry.

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Waywatcher
April 26, 2007, 01:56 AM
They do. It's in .32 H&R magnum though.

Old Fuff
April 26, 2007, 01:56 AM
Both I and J frame revolvers were made as 6-shot .22, .32, and 5-shot .38's.

Over time the I and Improved I frame were chambered in .22 LR, .32 S&W Long and .38 S&W.

J-frames were chambered in .22 LR, .22 WRM, ,32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum and .38 S&W, 9mm Para., .38 Special and .357 Magnum.

All of the small-frame Colt's were slightly larger then the Smith & Wesson's, but held 6 rounds in all calibers.

ugaarguy
April 26, 2007, 01:59 AM
Yes, but only in .32 Cal. The latest were the 6 shot 32 H&R Mags. I don't know if the older 32 S&W Long Js & Is were 5 or 6 shots.

Edit: Old Fuff beat me to it while I was posting ;) . Also, many of the current 22 J Frames are available in an 8 shot variant.

Taurus also offered their J copies in a 6 shot 32 H&R mag for approx the same time frame S&W did. The 32 H&R is actually a nice fast round with mild recoil making for a neat little gun in the 6 shot J frame size.

(Ruger also made the Single Six in 32 H&R - a step up from its normal 22 LR / 22 WMR dual cylinder offering.)

Ala Dan
April 26, 2007, 08:28 AM
Yes Sirree-

I just recently picked up a cherry six-shot, 2", factory nickel Smith & Wesson
model 34-1 in .22 LR with adjustable sights that is built on the J-frame. It dates back to 1982, and has recessed chambers.

Will5A1
April 26, 2007, 09:22 AM
As I recall Smith also attempted, in the mid to late 1980's, to produce a smaller frame 6 shot .38 - the C frame; I think it was supposed to compete with Colt's D frames, there were problems with production, and most all of the existing revolvers were destroyed by the factory. I think at least four escaped destruction and can be found in private collections - if one were to be offered at auction now it would probably fetch at least 5 figures.

PX15
April 26, 2007, 10:16 AM
Here's my favorite 6 shot J-frame.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_5053.jpg

It's in there someplace.. No wait, maybe that WAS a Colt? :D

Heck, just getcha' a nice old Cobra... They'll do the trick nicely, and are light as a heavy feather to boot..


J. Pomeroy

Soybomb
April 27, 2007, 05:13 AM
As I recall Smith also attempted, in the mid to late 1980's, to produce a smaller frame 6 shot .38 - the C frame; I think it was supposed to compete with Colt's D frames, there were problems with production, and most all of the existing revolvers were destroyed by the factory. I think at least four escaped destruction and can be found in private collections - if one were to be offered at auction now it would probably fetch at least 5 figures.
Thanks guys, its a shame they aren't making the 642+1 (call it the 643?), I bet they'd sell like crazy.

Old Fuff
April 27, 2007, 10:40 AM
Smith & Wesson did experiment with a fame sized between the J and K. But the sales department and top management decided that it would takes sales away from the present frames, and result in little additional profit. Going way back into the 19th century, Smith & Wesson pocket revolvers had always have been 5-shot when in .38 caliber.

These days they are selling J-frame revolvers like hotcakes on an January morning. It is unlikely they'll introduce a small 6-shot/.38 frame. Additional sales again would come at the expense of 5-shot models, and they have other irons in the fire.

Also there is no competition from others (Taurus and Ruger) with a frame similar to Colt's old D-frame, and for all practical purposes Colt's is out of business.

Jackal
April 27, 2007, 12:38 PM
The best cure for your problem is to just sell the Smith and get yourself the Colt Detective Special. You won't regret it. I just purchased a nice used nickel Det. Spec. for $400 OTD and held it side by side in the shop with a new 642. The Colt does not weigh noticibly more and the trigger is just, well.... it makes the 642's trigger feel like removing a car bumper with your bare hands.

PX15
April 27, 2007, 01:45 PM
FWIW:

The first revolver I wanted, real badly, and could not afford ($65 in 1966) was a used nickle Colt Cobra..

In the ensuing 40 years I have had, and have a pretty good little pile of firearms.. No matter what brand, or how fancy, I always go back to loving the old Colt Cobras..

I don't have a nickled one, but I have two first series (exposed ejector rods) blued Cobras.. I still love 'em, and in fact one of the Cobras is my wife's preferred "vehicle gun" when shes traveling..

Old Cobra's and DS's are getting hard to find in great condition, and when you do they are pretty pricy..

Getch'a on now.. They'll just be more expensive tomorrow.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

P.S.

But, most of the time for cc in a revolver I chose my S&W 638 Airweight Bodyguard.. Why? Because it has Crimson Trace Lasergrips.. I'm an old fart and I need all the visual help I can get. I wish CT made a set for my Cobra's, but that's not going to happen.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6347.jpg

I LIKE the Colt Cobra better, but I try from time to time to use common sense, or listen to my brain rather than my heart in situations such as this.. The 638 is an excellent little snubby... It's just not a Colt.

Vern Humphrey
April 27, 2007, 04:10 PM
My old Detective Special (exposed ejector rod) is my standard for snub-nosed carry guns.

RandomMan
April 28, 2007, 01:07 PM
J-frames are nice guns, in my opinion (and only my opinion), Colt D-Frames are nicer. My daily carry gun is a 3rd issue L.W Colt Agent with a matte finish. Just about everywhere I go, this gun is sure to follow. Why, do I prefer the Colt D-frame? I find the slightly larger frame is easier to hang onto, you get 6 rounds in the gun, and I prefer the Colt trigger (it takes some getting used to).

And don't let folks fool you, the alloy framed D-Frames are quite "pocketable". I regularly carry mine with Eagle Secret Service grips in an Uncle Mikes #3 pocket holster, in the front pocket of my cargo shorts and pants.

So, would it be cool if they built a 6-shot J-Frame in .38 Special? They already did!

-Rob

Soybomb
April 28, 2007, 03:30 PM
So, would it be cool if they built a 6-shot J-Frame in .38 Special? They already did!
Let me rephrase that then, it'd be cool if they built them again so I could get them at a better price :D

GEM
April 28, 2007, 05:57 PM
I have a Colt Cobra and it is a nice gun but it's not pocketable. It is a house gun and for the range. It would be a decent belt gun but I have better semis for that CCW purpose.

The Js are great as pocket guns. I have 432 and a 642. Either is fine for the days when I must pocket carry. One round more vs. a bigger boom?

Oh, well.

I did ditch a 317 as I hated the trigger. I have hopes that the new SS 63 will come out with a shorter barrel than 5". Not pocketable but fun.

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