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April 26, 2007, 06:30 AM
Looking for a cheap rugged truck pistol. I see the Russian Nagant going for $89.00. Surplus ammo looks like $18.00 per 50. For $200.00 you would have a rugger pistol, and 300 rounds of ammo. Am I missing something or does this sound like a pretty good set up?

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nelson133
April 26, 2007, 07:05 AM
The Nagant is pitifully underpowered and the trigger tends to be very stiff. I'd look at a Hi-Point 9mm before that gun.

Plink
April 26, 2007, 07:09 AM
On the positive side, you can use .32 H&R magnum ammo in the Nagant. There's some respectible loads available.

ccw9mm
April 26, 2007, 07:12 AM
"Good" options ... meaning what? Quality, reliability, availability?

What purpose, that "truck" carry? If to save your life, I'd opt for something known to be those things (reliable, of good quality and generally available (ie, not relying on cheap surplus ammo)).

If it's a plinking thing, then practically any cheap option will work.

If self-defense and your life is the goal, I'd suggest a more mainstream option, in 9mm or larger caliber. A decent Ruger or larger S&W revolver is fairly rugged, as is a Marlin or Winchester lever-action rifle. What works for me: a CZ P01 9mm pistol that's utterly reliable; a KelTec P3AT for backup; and a Marlin 1894 .44mag lever-action rifle with 16" bbl.

YMMV.

Geno
April 26, 2007, 07:38 AM
Get a used Glock.

DawgFvr
April 26, 2007, 09:37 AM
Truck gun? :confused: Hmmm, when I think of truck gun, I think of a rifle...something inexpensive like a SKS w/ a few 10 round stripper clips. As for a side arm, well, I would imagine any kind of pistol/revolver I would be carrying that day.

bluetopper
April 26, 2007, 11:12 AM
The first firearm that comes to mind is a Makarov, but they are not so cheap anymore and will get higher.
For a truck gun that I wouldn't mind getting dinged up would be a Hi-Point. I've had a few of them. Some are very reliable and some are not and require tweaking of the magazine. The Hi-Point 45 I had operated flawlessly.

SaxonPig
April 26, 2007, 11:18 AM
A Military & Police S&W revolver (Model 10) in .38 Special caliber can be found in "shooter" condition for $100-$150 and I can't think of a better knock-around revolver.

Walkalong
April 26, 2007, 11:25 AM
Model 10...Yep, or a 15. :)

armoredman
April 26, 2007, 12:26 PM
Ditto Smith used revolver. Far better sidearm than the Nagant, and surplus ammo in 7.62 Nagant is pushing $1 a round, when I saw it. Another excellent choice is the Yugo SKS, with a chest rig of 200 rounds on stripper clips stashed, too....but do you really want to leave a firearm in such an easily stolen condition? Chance of your vehicle being stolen/broken into, and your gun being then used in a crime are how high??? What does your state and local law say about your responsability? Some areas file charges against YOU in that occurance, so I'd think again. If you must, then get either a bolted on Gun Vault, or some other way to easily and securely store the firearm out of sight.

M2 Carbine
April 26, 2007, 12:46 PM
For a handgun I use stainless Ruger .357 Security Six revolvers in my vehicles and usually have an extra 2 inch 38 in the glove box, plus whatever I'm carrying at the time.

My idea of a truck handgun is something bigger and more powerful than you normally carry. I want something that will most likely go through vehicle doors.

A friend was involved in a driving "drive by" last year and felt undergunned with his Glock 19.

The CZ 52 might serve as an inexpensive truck pistol.

ArchAngelCD
April 26, 2007, 01:51 PM
I'll add my voice to the S&W Model 10. You can get a Police trade-in for ~$150 and not worry about beating it up.

Texas Colt
April 26, 2007, 01:57 PM
Any quality used .357 magnum would make an excellent truck gun - S&W, Colt, Ruger, with stainless steel being the best choice for rust resistance. Choose to spend $300 and there are plenty of used 357s out there.

I just sold a Colt Trooper .357 for $275 last month and then bought a Colt Peacekeeper .357 for $300.

Gustav
April 26, 2007, 02:09 PM
Isn't it illegal to hunt trucks with a gun?:neener:
Seriously any Smith & Wesson K or L frame model 10 13 15 581 586 blue steel or 64 65 66 686 stainless steel should fill the bill as many nice police trade ins are out there to be found.
Stainless has the advantage over blued steel for better wear and tear.
In semi autos a used surplus Walther P1 (alloy frame P38) would work as would a new Argentine made Browning P35 High Power or a used police trade in Smith & Wesson Sig Glock or Beretta available in 9mm or .40 S & W at reasonable prices.
Big difference between cheap made guns and inexpensive surplus or pre owned.
If the need ever arises to use it price will be that last thing on your mind.:eek:
I have never regretted spending a little extra for quality I have learned to regret spending money twice because something was "cheap"
Good luck on your search.

GrandmasterB
April 26, 2007, 02:32 PM
S&W model 10 or pre-model 10 M&P are great guns and can be found well under $200. These folks often have them for sale: www.vivasandson.com

gripper
April 26, 2007, 03:05 PM
I'd go with any decent used Ruger GP100 or Security Six. Or 9(insert favorite whhelie here).
Nagants are interesting ,but MAN that is some slow reload time.

rchernandez
April 26, 2007, 03:19 PM
AK Pistol in 7.62x39 with a couple of extra 30-rd mags:D

Rex B
April 26, 2007, 03:27 PM
Model 10 in the console, SKS in the trunk
$300 total including ammo

Lou22
April 26, 2007, 09:30 PM
I own an EAA Windicator .357 snub. Holds 6 shots and cost me new about $200. It is kinda ugly but feels real solid and shoots full bore .357 loads with no problem. It's heavy enough at 28oz to make shooting those loads a pleasure. Because of its looks you wouldn't mind the finish getting scratched up. It's also got decent accuracy shooting double-action at 20 feet.

Lou

Nomad, 2nd
April 26, 2007, 09:36 PM
Handle a Nagant... you'll change your mind.

kmrcstintn
April 26, 2007, 09:36 PM
my current vehicle stash gun is a 3" barreled stainless Ruger SP101 with Winchester WWB Personal Defense 110gr sjhp .357 magnum...not the most high tech setup, but both the platform and the ammo have been around a good amount of time and are proven to work;

been tossing around the idea of a used .30-30 lever gun or a Mosin-Nagant M44 or M38 for tromping through the woods to keep in a locked case in the back of the vehicle

ArchAngelCD
April 26, 2007, 09:42 PM
kmrcstintn,
Keeping a rifle locked in a case inside your trunk is like having no rifle at all. Also, while a great revolver, a Ruger SI101 is way over his intended budget.

tinygnat219
April 26, 2007, 09:57 PM
The Nagant is a great truck gun if you are reenacting the Soviet vs. German battles of WWII. It's definitely not something I would trust my life with. It's underpowered, horrible DA trigger pull, and a horrible reload time (worse that a SAA, at least the SAAs had springs on their ejector rods).

If money is an object, look at a Hi-Point. Great inexpensive ugly gun for a little more cash, a lifetime warranty, and ammo that can be found anywhere not just under an apartment complex in the Ukraine.

Ichiro
April 26, 2007, 10:11 PM
Smith & Wesson 10 with FBI loads.

security6
April 27, 2007, 12:38 AM
Try to find a beatup model 10 that takes 38 special only. I've seen a bunch of them pretty cheap.

You might take a look at a PA-63 or one of other makarov caliber surplus pistols.

logical
April 27, 2007, 01:19 AM
Put something you already own in a decent full coverage holster. Even a crap gun shouldn't be rattling around in a glove box or under the seat.

Old John
April 27, 2007, 11:44 AM
Yeah, my idea would be an old beater, 12 ga., a singe brrl. or
even an old bolt action Mossberg, 12 ga.


They are cheap, $70 or $80, certainly less than $100.
Throw in a box of # 4 shot shells, a handfull of double-aught, &
a half dozen slugs. That'd cover about any situation, I'd be likely
to run into. From a busted-up deer, to whatever else.
It has so far. OBTW, I CCW a SP101, .357 mag.
Take care.

CZ.22
April 28, 2007, 12:18 AM
CZ-52-its supposed to have good penetration.
With a Mosin, or other cheap rifle, a cheap rimfire, and and a shotgun too.

GrumpyGrizzly
April 28, 2007, 04:03 AM
That's not a truck gun... THIS is a truck gun...


I carry a Springfield M6 under the back seat in my Wrangler. Fits nicely, has .22 and .410 barrels. I've got different types of .22 ammo from cb22 to stingers for most occasions, then I've got buckshot, slug, #4, and #8 shot for the .410 as well as .410 flare rounds. It ain't fast but, it'll do the job.

The gun in the picture below is what my Dad carry's in his truck. From Keltec.. His even has a 40 round mag. Do NOT cut him off in traffic!!

bigmike45
April 28, 2007, 11:09 AM
Here are a few that would be better than that butt ugly nagant.:barf:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=70896981

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=70649822

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=70680286

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=70749680

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=70624665

If there is a gunshoe near you, look there as well, and go the last half of the last day. You might be surprised what you can find, and just how dealable the dealers might be. I have bought several guns much lower than they were tagged during those hours. Also check your local pawn shops.

bearmgc
April 29, 2007, 05:23 PM
CZ 52 is pretty decent gun for the money. There's alot of good choices though already mentioned, that are newer and proven reliable. I like the Ruger variety. Built heavy and reliable.

KodeFore
April 29, 2007, 10:48 PM
Just my unexpert opinion. You can get brand new sw sigma glock copy in 9mm or 40sw for around 250. Big 5 here sells the Mosin Nagant ( 7.62x54r) for 89$. If a weapon is designated to kept in vehicle, why restrict it to a handgun?

kmrcstintn
April 30, 2007, 09:31 PM
a nice variety of suggestions here...

as far as the retort to my original post...the rifle that I am pondering is for 'woods tromping' not handling up close & personal encounters; the SP101 that is kept up front with me is my primary go to gun;

sorry that I missed the budget restrains...a used S&W 10 or used S&W 15 might fit the bill with a proven hollowpoint like the FBI load (lead semiwadcutter hollowpoint weighing 158 grains and loaded to .38 spl +p powder levels)

Seven For Sure
May 2, 2007, 09:50 PM
When I think of a truck gun, I think penetration. An AK, a 6" 357 w/ 180 gr. hard cast, a Glock 20 with 200 gr. hard cast. Not a 9mm. I want something that will go through two doors and two people. Insurance is there for a reason. Let em' steal it. That's what you carry for. I'd go for the AK.

gripper
May 2, 2007, 11:02 PM
I like the choice....would you want a standard AK or a Krink??

jr4521
April 27, 2008, 03:52 PM
44 mag 3 inch S&W.

Dismantler
April 27, 2008, 06:28 PM
Interesting... This thread is exactly a year old. Members were suggesting a Model 10 Smith for $150 a year ago. They cost $230 - $240 in NH today. What does that tell you about the price of used Smiths? I may just go Smith hunting soon. :)

theotherwaldo
April 27, 2008, 07:20 PM
Truck guns I've known and used:
'58 Remington, various pistol-gripped 12 ga, Ruby .38 spl, Ruger Super Blackhawk, M1 Carbine folder, Ruger Security Six .357, Norinco 213, various SMLEs, Rossi .32 long, various Win 94s, RG 66, and many others.
Figure one long gun, one short gun, and often one hide-out GTH gun.

coyotehitman
April 27, 2008, 07:44 PM
Insurance is there for a reason. Let em' steal it.
I do not want any guns ending up in the hands of a criminal.

Owlnmole
April 28, 2008, 07:04 AM
That budget of under $200 including ammo is going to be tough to meet if you want a gun that will stand up to regular practice.

I agree that a used .38 service revolver is a good option and less likely to be a headache than a used auto at that price.

Basic Taurus/Rossi/Charter Arms snubbies can be had new for $250-300 as can the base-model Ruger or S&W polymer autos. The best deal in used pistols I know of right now are the German police trade-in SIG P6/225 in 9mm, all-steel SIG quality, carried much and shot little, for the same price.

bluetopper
April 28, 2008, 10:19 AM
Another vote for the EAA Windicator........easy to find on gunbroker and worth the money.

woad_yurt
April 28, 2008, 02:54 PM
Go for something in 7.62X25. CZ 52s and some Tokarevs (or their variants) are very affordable. They also shoot right through cars, which could come in handy with a weapon kept primarily in a vehicle. Unless one hits a power window motor dead center, nothing in a vehicle door will stop a 7.62X25. It's a wild caliber.

Sorry, revolver forum.

PTK
April 28, 2008, 03:11 PM
I leave an SP101 in my truck most of the time, loaded with Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints. It was $350, sure, but I'd rather have a revolver for a passenger to grab than a big shotgun that one of us would need to get to, wasting time. I figure if, between my regular carry piece and the revolver, that doesn't handle it, a shotgun wouldn't help all that much anyway.

So I keep a rifle in there, too. :D

Bear41mag
April 28, 2008, 04:08 PM
If you want something inexpensive and know someone who has a C&R look at the CZ82 9mm Makarov you get the gun, full flap holster, 2 mags and cleaning rod for about $200. Ammo is plentiful and not all that expensive or hard to find. More powerful than a .380 not as much as a 9mm. The one I got has been uterly reliable and fairly accurate at 25 meters and in real nice shape and is pretty nice quality for the money.

That being said, mine is a 2.5" Smith Model 66. .357 due to ammo availablity anywhere I go. I keep it loaded with Federal 158 Lead Hollow Points with a couple of speed loaders of magnums as a back up.

Do not rely on a Russian Nagant for self defense!

gripper
April 28, 2008, 04:21 PM
I concur RE the CZ82...I had one a few years back (wish I'd been able tyo keep it!) and found I liked it for the same reasons I like Makarovs plus some additional refinement( and a bigger magazine). Just small enough to carry readily,and just big enough to shoot well under stress.Definitely an under-appreciated little gem!

Bear41mag
April 28, 2008, 04:38 PM
Yea I forgot to mention is had a 12 round magazine, which makes the grip real comfortable for such a compact pistol.

The Bushmaster
April 28, 2008, 05:00 PM
Any of the S&W K frames or larger in .38 Special or larger. Mod 10 is a good bargin. Oh say, in a 4" barrel...

t3rmin
April 28, 2008, 06:54 PM
+1 for Hi-Point. It just screams "truck gun".

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