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Nomad, 2nd
April 26, 2007, 08:31 PM
...I'm looking for one... Any ideas?

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kcmarine
April 26, 2007, 08:32 PM
Uh... yeah.


It's called a pistol.

SigfanUSAF
April 26, 2007, 08:34 PM
Get one of those leather scabbords for the M1 carbine like they used to put on the WWII Harleys, and the respective M1 Carbine.

I'd leave you alone.

Winter Borne
April 26, 2007, 08:46 PM
Kel tec folding sub gun migh do. You might want to put a scabard on the front fork with a Thompson like the WWII harleys.

mk

Winter Borne
April 26, 2007, 08:48 PM
Sorry Sigfan, I posted before I saw your post.


oppps

Nomad, 2nd
April 26, 2007, 09:01 PM
I am shopping for a bike... I want it for crusing... I travel with a rifle.

(Appriciate the Keltec Sub 2000 but I have one and am considering selling. A 9mm carbine isn't worth it IMHO.)

I need to find a Motorcycle Cop... I was told they have 'rigs' on their gear...

(I wont it to ether lock, or be hidden. Preferably both)
-And I'd prefer to avoid the big bulky 'ATV case'.

coinshooter
April 26, 2007, 09:04 PM
I was looking at the Keltec su 16 it would be handy.

Gustav
April 26, 2007, 09:18 PM
Most lever actions can have the stock off with a screwdriver also maybe either a .303 Enfield MKIV sporter or .308 Ishapore SMLE MkIII 2A with a cut down and recrowned barrel as the stock can be removed with two screwdrivers.
Folding stocks that fit the Remington 870 can be made to fit the Remington 742 7400 760 7600 and these can be had with 18 inch barrels or less if a gunsmith shortens it properly.
Another one to consider is a Mini 14 many put folders on these.
I always thought of building an Ishapore 7.62x51 MK III 2A scout with an adapted ACE telescoping stock and a 1-4x EER pistol scope or an Eotech Holographic sight, have barrel shortend and recrowned and add a muzzle break and a Parker Hale rear sight and a 2 stepped front ramp (100 & 300 yards) protected by wings.
10 or 12 round mags with stripper clips allow fast feeding.:evil:
I wonder if this would be 50 state legal its not a semi auto its only a bolt action?:rolleyes:

Gordon
April 26, 2007, 09:23 PM
My son uses a Springfied M-6 scout rifle in .410/.22 hornet folded into a backpack or large side bag. If you want more readily accessable firepower I too think a pistol is the only option that won't freak people out like a scabbard will!;)

66912
April 26, 2007, 09:46 PM
How about one of those short barreled lever actions. I cannot remember the Steve McQueen tv series back in the 60's. Otherwise, I would apply to get some sort of SBS.

slzy
April 26, 2007, 09:49 PM
ural motorcycles imports a military model with a sidecar,complete with pintle mount for a rpk:D

Nomad, 2nd
April 26, 2007, 09:54 PM
slzy: I thought of that, but don't know if it will mount my 1919!:D

SigfanUSAF
April 26, 2007, 09:59 PM
I thought of that, but don't know if it will mount my 1919

That needs to be the priority here.
Mounting a 1919 on a sidecar.
Wonder how that would go over with the boys in blue?

MassMark
April 26, 2007, 10:05 PM
Krink in a tank bag... ;)

security6
April 26, 2007, 10:29 PM
How about a Yugo underfolder AK-47?

strat81
April 26, 2007, 10:58 PM
I say Krink if it must be rifle caliber although the SU-16 looks pretty cool.

Otherwise, a stainless 4" K-Frame .357 Mag.

Ratfood
April 26, 2007, 11:09 PM
Sawed off a 12 guage only way to go


http://www.gunsinmovies.com/images/othermovies/terminator1.jpeg

CB900F
April 26, 2007, 11:12 PM
Nomad;

Veery Interestink! What caliber? Would you consider a .22 rimfire? If so, take a look at the Marlin model 39TDS (Take Down System) .22 levergun. The little bugger has a 16" barrel and is made to separate into two sections. Even if it's to stay together, it's got to be one of the smallest rifles you're going to be able to find. They aren't made anymore, you'd have to go used. However, they are Marlin 39's one of the highest quality guns made, no problem with used ones.

900F

Avenger29
April 26, 2007, 11:45 PM
Nomad, I had a similar need. I was thinking Keltec Sub2000, but I ended up going with an 870. Check the thread here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=271406)

The best solution I can think of for security would be one of the Beretta Security Pack bag (see the Beretta website and check accessories> safety/security).

A 9mm carbine isn't worth it IMHO

I don't think he would be happy with .22LR, then, CB900F

slzy
April 27, 2007, 01:14 AM
uh,sigfan, we were making a "joke" about the sidecars. this is why we included approriate emoticons. lighten up.

dc2wheel
April 27, 2007, 03:53 AM
If by rifle you mean SMG then this is your answer:
http://www.hkpro.com/action8mcyclemp5s.jpg
[courtesy of HKpro.com & the Torrance, CA PD]
I think Galls sells the brackets - not exactly discreet carry, though it would discourage tailgaters.
-dc2wheel

Joe Demko
April 27, 2007, 08:41 AM
The Yugo underfolders are pretty compact and durable.

DoubleTapDrew
April 27, 2007, 12:38 PM
Although spendy, the FN PS90 is compact. Even moreso if you SBR it. :evil:

kmrcstintn
April 27, 2007, 01:05 PM
there are several good ways to approach this...mostly need to know what is your price range and patience level? there are some great ideas to look at, but depending upon what you choose, there may be a supply/demand problem

a smaller 5.56mm offering is the KelTec SU16 (model C folds in a way that it can be fired while folded); 5.56mm pistols inclde the KelTec PLR-16 and a whole range of hand cannons based upon the venerable AR-15

contrast this with 7.62 x 39: Yugo underfolder; other variants w/ side folders; there are now hand cannons based upon the AK-47 platform if you want a great 'intermediate' round in a really small package

a classis is the M-1 carbine in .30 carbine; rare as they are, I have seen a deliberate production hand cannon based upon the M-1 carbine...neat looking thing but too much $$$ at $1,000 used with only 1 mag

I just remembered a good article chronicling a shortening and revamping of a Marlin 336..here's the link...

http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Marlin336CS.htm

good luck with your choice and your setup

silentmajority
April 27, 2007, 01:52 PM
If by rifle you mean SMG then this is your answer:
http://www.hkpro.com/action8mcyclemp5s.jpg
[courtesy of HKpro.com & the Torrance, CA PD]
I think Galls sells the brackets - not exactly discreet carry, though it would discourage tailgaters.
-dc2wheel

Those cops' beat must be some bad ass neighborhoods - LAPD Compton, maybe?

Eyesac
April 27, 2007, 02:19 PM
Get a 16" barrel lever in what ever you want... I got a Winchester 94 trapper in .357 that would work great, 30-30 would be even better.

Smitty in CT
April 27, 2007, 02:30 PM
Marlin or Winchester lever .30-30 in a scabbard.

Functional and cool as he!!....

http://www.shootingstar.montana.com/scabbards_etc.jpg

ball3006
April 27, 2007, 02:35 PM
bungie a non cased Mosin Nagant, Enfield, M1 carbine, 22 rifle, and a MAS36 to my sissy bar. Drivers around me are very polite. I am a C&R junkie and with with price of gas, I do my shop surfing on my bike. The rest of the time I have my Steyr S40 and my Kel Tec 3AT on my bike......chris3

Forgot the multiple SKS.....chris3

Tigerclaw_x
April 27, 2007, 02:45 PM
Ok. That depends what bike do you have. If you have a URAL, with sidecar, then go to Century Arms. They sell a copy of MG42. You know what to do next:-). With some gray feldgrau paint you can look pretty evil. INDEED
I do not suggest shotguns due to personal dislike of them: to be accurate they need long barrel, and space is a concern.
My suggestions:
Vector Arms G3 Short Barreled Rifle. Telescopi stock for it.
SKS
RPD (For serious no noncense "I will shoot you rull of lead" look)
DP28 (For serious no noncense "I will shoot you rull of lead" look)
Yugo M70 Underfolder.
Kel-Tec Su16A (long barrel yet foldable)
PPSh (yes, militarygunsupply.com makes them). With a little different uniform and painting your bike khaki green you will also make some heads turn. Do not forget shapka with red star:-).
AR180B. Light, reliable.
Norinco Uzi copy.

Thats about it

Titan6
April 27, 2007, 03:08 PM
I went with a stainless mini-14 with a folder.

I assume this is a SD and or varmint rifle as most people do not hunt large game on a motorcycle trip. I will also assume that you plan on stowing it externally, but my advice would not change much either way.

I needed a weapon that would stand up to punishing rain, road dirt, grime, mud, bugs everything and still function flawlessly. For me this ruled out anything with a wooden stock (hence the synthetic folder) and anything sensitive to fouling. I also needed it to be light, fast acting and easily brought into play. I also wanted to be able to easily get ammo anywhere while on the road and if needed parts or accessories as well.

I did not want anything expensive, hard to work on or difficult to find parts for. Lastly magazine fed semi-auto was preferred. The mini, despite some shortcomings fits this role perfectly for me. It never jams no matter how dirty, the .223 is found everywhere, it is a good defense round and it is also useful for small game. With the synthetic stock and stainless action and barrel it is quite rust resistant. You can carry quite a lot of .223 ammo on a bike in magazines without much of a weight and space penalty as well.

Accuracy suffers a bit over 250 meters and I am in the crowd who would not hunt deer with it but at $350 it is still fills a role. If you want a more powerful round go with the mini-30 or the AK with a folding synthetic stock at about the same price. Just remember the trade off in weight and space for the larger rounds.

Lever actions were likely great in 1880s on the trail but times, circumstances and technology have changed somewhat since then. While I certainly would not feel disarmed with Grandpa's Model 94 I think there are better more capable options out there. And if you can afford a better rifle by all means get a better one.

Simple Man
April 27, 2007, 03:50 PM
What about something like a NEF handy rifle or a TC encore that way it can be broken down into two small pieces when not being used.

DMK
April 27, 2007, 03:59 PM
How about an AK or short barreled FAL with a folding stock? You could probably stuff one in a saddle bag.

http://mysite.verizon.net/dmk0210/myarms/ImblFAL4.jpg

Plink
April 27, 2007, 04:11 PM
In my opinion, the little Kel-Tec SU-16 is the perfect motorcycle rifle. It folds up small and light, is reliable and affordable.

jthuang
April 27, 2007, 04:39 PM
I know this is Rifle Country ...

but any rifle is going to be hideously out of balance when you're trying to fire that thing one-handed from a motorcycle.

Suggest a handgun type weapon like the DSA TP9 (http://www.dsarms.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BTTP9).

Hoppy590
April 27, 2007, 05:00 PM
Mosin Nagant M91 with bayonet.

that way. you can joust with it too! :)

i put my vote in on the Keltec SU 16. "full size" round in subgun size.


if you guys think the motorcycle with subgun mount is cool. check out the BMW high Security models. hermeticaly sealed, armored bodys, bullet resistance glass, and in south africa... Flame throwers are available.
http://www.bmw-ids.com/images/27a.jpg
The firearm bracket in the rear centre armrest provides space for an MP 5 and three magazines. The bracket is electromagnetically locked and is opened from the front seats using a switch. The firearm moves forward automatically, therefore easy for the driver and passenger to reach.

SigfanUSAF
April 27, 2007, 05:03 PM
uh,sigfan, we were making a "joke" about the sidecars. this is why we included approriate emoticons. lighten up.

No I was serious. A 1919 on a sidecar would be awesome IMHO. Sorry if I chose not to use your "smiley emoticons". No lightening up needed buddy.

1KPerDay
April 27, 2007, 06:11 PM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/1KPerDay/ZZR1200%20pics/9da9d62e.jpg

IIRC these were a Colt AR-15 and a Mossberg 590.;)

Saddlebags filled with various handguns and ammo.

sansone
April 27, 2007, 06:40 PM
I'm a biker, often go with a Rossi breakdown 20ga/.308(even has a small soft case with shoulder strap)

Nomad, 2nd
April 27, 2007, 07:20 PM
Thank you for all the replies, now for a few Details.

I do not yet have a bike. I rode one reciently and I'm hooked. I have signed up for the safety class and am shopping for a bike.

I will likely end up with a Cruiser style Honda, Yamaha, or Kawasaki 1100CC bike.

I have NO intention of shooting a rifle from the bike, just to have along with me on trips.
I believe one of my folder AK's will work well... but I also need a different rifle for the 'unfree states.'

My budget is as expensive as necessary, and as cheap as possible.:D

I'll be carrying a 1911 and a S&W .357 handgun like I do every day.

PAC 762
April 27, 2007, 07:35 PM
How about a pistol with rifle0like power, accuracy, and capacity?

And, yes, it's one of the most accurate AK's I've built (out of 15 or so):

Rattlesnake
April 27, 2007, 08:10 PM
The guy I got my unit from was a on the bike patrol. He had a Colt AR15 with carbine stock hooked on his BMW. It locked up withe pretty much the same setup as our cars.

WVleo
April 27, 2007, 08:14 PM
Hi, I have a VTX 1300C all set up for Cruising, windshield, bags, Highway pegs. I don't think I would ever ride with a rifle, but always carry a ccw piece . Now in a case for a trip to the In-Laws for a liitle shooting is another story...............WVleo

Oohrah
April 27, 2007, 08:37 PM
Nomad... There are some new manufactured leather military scabards.
I have a like new, not for sale one. I think about the time era of Korea.
Used for jeep or bike and was for the M1 Garand with a re- enforced
metal plate that covered the exposed part of the operating rod that
sticks out on the Garand. Before I got my first Garand, I used it
to carry a Stevens 520 Trench shotgun. It has strapes that I used
to attach it to the handlebar and front fork of a 70 Shovel Harley (rides
parallel to the front fork. Rode around Sacramento, ********** for a
couple of years with the 12 ga, and recall not being stopped.:fire: :fire: :fire:
The above weapon carrier is an orginal, so probably will not be used on
my 89 Harley FXSP. It's good to live in an area where CCW doesn't require
an exposed here is what I got crap:D :D :D

Avenger29
April 27, 2007, 09:33 PM
I also need a different rifle for the 'unfree states

Then a short lever action it is. Be forewarned, however, you might have to keep the magazine unloaded in some areas.

You can tac out a Marlin 336 with a ramline synthetic stock, ghost ring sights, and a scout rail, if you choose to. I don't consider it blasphemy, although many do.

I'd strongly suggest going this route, as a 336 is very compact. You might want to check out George Hill's modified 336 at http://www.madogre.com

The 336 is also very inexpensive, especially for a used one, and is very solidly built.

The Deer Hunter
April 27, 2007, 09:46 PM
I too, think you should get a lever action shotgun.

Oh yea.

ArchAngelCD
April 27, 2007, 10:04 PM
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=28&section=products

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/coach.tpl

coelacanth
April 28, 2007, 04:34 AM
lever action carbine in .357 mag

Kalashnikov
April 28, 2007, 07:33 AM
M44.

Full Clip
April 28, 2007, 01:59 PM
Nomad, where are you going to be riding? The Sunni Triangle?

Avenger29
April 28, 2007, 03:41 PM
Oh, one more thing. The Marlins can be converted into takedown rifles. WildWestGuns (www.wildwestguns.com) of Alaska does this. Check out their Co-pilot rifle, too.

That would be the coolest, but an expensive solution. I think they charge about $500 or so to convert a rifle into takedown, and it must also be refinished.

john paul
April 28, 2007, 04:18 PM
thats our tax dollars at work. i can't think of a better way to discourage speeding or running a red light.

ctdonath
April 28, 2007, 11:08 PM
where are you going to be riding? The Sunni Triangle?Apparently the USA, where both vehicular travel and weapons possession are generally considered freedoms - and where, like everywhere else, criminals exist and police* only arrive in time to clean up the mess.

* - not a slam on cops, just a recognition of reality. Self-defense is your problem, and is usually best handled with a rifle handy.

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