Fate says I must buy a 5.45 AK!


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Ian
April 26, 2007, 09:39 PM
I just got an order of AK mags from Sportsman's Guide (squeezed in just before they ran out :cool: ), and had a bit of a surprise when I unpacked them. One of the mags was not a 7.62 mag at all, but instead a Polish 5.45 AK mag.

Obviously, the Universe is telling to go buy a 5.45mm AK and a big stack of surplus ammo! :evil:

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kcmarine
April 26, 2007, 09:40 PM
Not just telling, but demanding.

SigfanUSAF
April 26, 2007, 09:44 PM
The lord works in mysterious ways:D

rbernie
April 26, 2007, 09:49 PM
I recently saw the light, and it's become one of my favorite rifles.

Nomad, 2nd
April 26, 2007, 09:52 PM
I've shot a little more than 3K of 5.45... I like it.

HorseSoldier
April 26, 2007, 09:56 PM
After having a chance to shoot some rounds through an MPiK-74N (or whatever the East Germans called their AK-74s), I was inspired to pick up a Tantal from Krebs Customs. Very much a favorite of mine now.

MechAg94
April 26, 2007, 10:15 PM
I bought a couple six packs over the last few months. I just pulled them out to soak them in mineral spirits as they were covered in grease.

If it is an actual polish, it might be worth a little more than the normal mag.

FMJMIKE
April 26, 2007, 10:16 PM
Just remember that all the ammo made for the AK-74 is produced overseas. Try an AK in 5.56 X 45. Not much of a difference in recoil but a heck of a lot easier to get ammo.

security6
April 26, 2007, 10:28 PM
Just remember that all the ammo made for the AK-74 is produced overseas. Try an AK in 5.56 X 45. Not much of a difference in recoil but a heck of a lot easier to get ammo.

I don't know. Right now 5.45x39 is some of the cheapest rifle ammo around, and seems to be much easier to find (for plinking prices) than .223. In fact, the good deals on 5.45 ammo have me considering an AK in 5.45.

Ian
April 26, 2007, 10:31 PM
All told, I think I got a several dozen of the 6-packs. At $6 or $7 per mag, how couldn't I? Shoot, you could almost double your money without even unpacking them.

I never did get anything really rare, though. Some Bosnian 2-rib mags, and one Fleur-de-Lis in mediocre shape. And this mag...which is definitely a steel Polish 5.45. It has the vertical grooves in the lip reinforcing plates and everything.

Anyway, I wish I had the cash to spare on another AK at the moment. But sadly...:(

Evil Monkey
April 26, 2007, 10:43 PM
223 being easier to get than 5.45mm is only true when you consider brass cased 223. Since most shoot steel cased ammo through their AK's, 5.45mm is just as available and cheap as steel cased 223. At least here in MI at the Gibraltar Trade center gun show, I see TONS of it being sold. And guess what? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SURPLUS! I'm talking about wolf, bear, barnual, whatever, it's all over the place. So I don't know why some say "it's hard to get".

MudPuppy
April 26, 2007, 11:57 PM
Right now, 5.45 is a lot cheeper than what I can find 5.56 for.

While I have just acquired a galil and a m95 yugo in 5.56, i have yet to fire those (but neither of these have the recoil brake of the '74 or tantals). The tantals I have are sweet, though I can't help but think the 5.45 is a lightweight--guess it depends on what you'll use it for. It's 10 kinds of fun though.

rbernie
April 27, 2007, 12:06 AM
In the last couple of months, I've bought a wee bit of milsurp 5.45x39 (53gr) in the issue spam cans. My last case (2000 rounds) was $269 delivered to my door. Guys - that's about as cheap as it gets these days. And at $6/each for Romanian polymer magazines, stocking up on stuff for the 5.45 doesn't break the bank, either.

I do prefer 5.56NATO for reloadin', though - nobody makes soft point 5.45 ammo or components yet.

MachIVshooter
April 27, 2007, 12:47 AM
I recently picked up a Lancaster-made Polish Tantal. Loads of fun to play with. Everyone should have a '74.

Nightcrawler
April 27, 2007, 03:43 AM
I want one too, I think. Krebs doesn't make the shorty version that I'd like in 5.45, though, and there isn't much else out there. Hrmm.

1 old 0311
April 27, 2007, 06:11 AM
When buying 'strange' caliber weapons remember that Hillary could shut off ALL foreign ammo with the stroke of a pen. If you can't get ammo made by a few domestic companies you may be in for a shock in a few years.

rbernie
April 27, 2007, 07:57 AM
remember that Hillary could shut off ALL foreign ammo with the stroke of a penHow?

1 old 0311
April 27, 2007, 08:36 AM
Hi Bernie,

The Left can't/won't try to void the Second Amendment, it is too hot a issue. There is however NOTHING in the Constitution that says they can't stop foreign ammo from being imported. No ammo, higher prices, will accomplish the same thing for them.

Ian
April 27, 2007, 09:32 AM
Rbernie, the same way they cut off all Norinco imports.

MechAg94
April 27, 2007, 10:52 AM
I have a Polish Tantal with an ArmoryUSA receiver. The mag lips are bit tighter than the WASR 2. It seems that those orange bakelite mags work best. So I buy those whenever I see a deal. I guess the questions is always "How many mags is too many mags." Probably the same answer as when asking about ammo. Depends on money and storage space. :)

MechAg94
April 27, 2007, 11:03 AM
Getting back to the issue at hand: Who makes a good 5.45 AK for a reasonable price these days? The Arsenals I see these days are way overpriced, and I have never seen a Saiga 5.45 import.

I like my Polish Tantal, but it is mag sensitive and works only with the narrower mags. The WASR 2 is great, but it is also mag sensitive as it's magwell is too wide and only the thicker polymer coated mags will feed reliably. Not sure I want another rifle right now, but I am curious who else out there makes a good one.

MudPuppy
April 27, 2007, 11:08 AM
plenty on gunbroker.

I roll my own...with a nodak or GT receiver.

MD_Willington
April 27, 2007, 11:44 AM
Wish I could find a good source of 5.56x45 follows for AK-74 magazines...

PS AIM has them on clearance

~290

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_WASR-2_5.45x39_AK_Rifles.html

mp510
April 27, 2007, 12:54 PM
Unfortunately, if I want an AK, I'm stuck with a 5.45 too- thank you CT:uhoh:

ball3006
April 27, 2007, 02:38 PM
is a fun to shoot rifle. Ammo is cheaper than 762 right now too.....chris3

Thin Black Line
April 27, 2007, 03:04 PM
I don't know. Right now 5.45x39 is some of the cheapest rifle ammo around, and seems to be much easier to find (for plinking prices) than .223. In fact, the good deals on 5.45 ammo have me considering an AK in 5.45.

Source for brass case boxer primed 5.45.....and bulk bullets for reloading....?

MudPuppy
April 28, 2007, 01:44 AM
A guy going by grasshopper on gunco did a run of followers and floorplates for '74 mags.

rbernie
April 28, 2007, 11:59 AM
Source for brass case boxer primed 5.45.....and bulk bullets for reloading....?None whatsoever.

If you shoot 5.45, you buy bulk MilSurp ammo or commercial Russian production (e.g. Wolf). <shrug> I'm OK with that - I can stash a handful of 1080 round spam cans and then buy commercial as I need it to shoot. That should give me a sufficient supply to last me the rest of my natural life.

FMJMIKE
April 28, 2007, 09:29 PM
It wasn't that long ago that 5.45 X 39 ammo was almost impossible to buy. We are now getting in the surplus ammo from countries that no longer use it. It is a nice caliber but I would not count on the long term availability of this caliber. Only the russians use it now !!!

MechAg94
April 28, 2007, 09:41 PM
All the more reason for me to get off my behind and order some more. :)

High Planes Drifter
April 28, 2007, 09:43 PM
It wasn't that long ago that 5.45 X 39 ammo was almost impossible to buy. We are now getting in the surplus ammo from countries that no longer use it. It is a nice caliber but I would not count on the long term availability of this caliber. Only the russians use it now !!!



I can think of a couple of other rounds that were/are exclusively used by the Russians; which surpluss is readily avalable for like the 7.62x54, and the 9x18Mak.

Im pleased with my Romy AK74, and havent had the first hint of trouble finding ammo online.

MudPuppy
April 29, 2007, 12:01 AM
Yeah, there's plenty of cheap surplus, but there's plenty of wolf and silver bear (and golden tiger) around too.

They'll be banned before we run out of surplus anyhow...

Evil Monkey
April 29, 2007, 11:40 AM
They'll be banned before we run out of surplus anyhow...

Keep your defeatist attitude to yourself.

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