Remember The Quick and the Dead?


June 18, 2003, 12:50 AM
Yes, I know it came out a while ago but I just watched it and cringed when the guys worked the lever actions by swinging them down and away...

At least the rest was okay entertainment wise...

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June 18, 2003, 12:53 AM
Why? You actually CAN cycle a lever carbine that way. Not the best muzzle discipline, but it's possible to do.

It's just that with all of the stupid stuff in that movie, like the .45 Colt round sending Lex Luthor flying end over end, that you picked the levergun thing to cringe at...

June 18, 2003, 01:27 AM
No kidding. That was one dumb movie. Piss-poor casting too.

brad cook

June 18, 2003, 01:34 AM
One of the most ridicules things I've seen in a movie was at the end of the Quick and the Dead. The scene where Gean Hackman gets shot in the belly and you can see the sun shine through the wound was almost funny.

Mike Irwin
June 18, 2003, 01:35 AM
That was one of the worst movies I've ever seen...

But, about 'non traditional' methods of cocking a rifle...

The story goes that when John Wayne was gearing up for Stagecoach that they wanted some sort of gimmick for him, so they thought up twirling the Winchester to cock it, so they created the bow-lever rifle for him. (BTW, there's no indication that such a rifle ever existed in the west outside of the movies)

The first time he tried it, he spun it around, and the barrel was just long enough that it caught him in the jaw and knocked him flat out.

A little more tinkering, and we now have the bow lever carbine. :)

June 18, 2003, 01:36 AM
Yes, it was a really lousy documentary.

Alan Smithiee
June 18, 2003, 01:52 AM
Mike, I had been told by a old trapper (my grandfather) that they used to have those large loop levers so they could get there heavely gloved hand through, he said he bought his from the Hudsons Bay Company. sorry I don't have a year for you.

now I'm not sure this is the same design as the one from Stage Coach. but it was a larger than normal loop from what he said.

June 18, 2003, 02:17 AM
The Quick and the Dead? :barf: Gak, that was a horrible movie. I had a hard time sitting through to the end of it, much less enjoying it.

June 18, 2003, 08:14 AM
I tried to cock my lever action Henry that way...once...the rifle came back up to level and the lever pinched the tip of my trigger finger into the tip of the trigger. Needless to say I quit for the day and it took a week for the blood blister to settle down...:uhoh:

June 18, 2003, 08:33 AM
I guess I have to go out on a limb as being the moron who actually ENJOYED the movie. I took it as the over-the-top comic book-on-film it was meant to be (doesn't anyone else remember Marvel Comics' Rawhide Kid or Kid Colt Outlaw?? :confused: ). Heck--Sam Raimi is the same guy who directed "Darkman" and "Spider-Man"... Should give some indication where he's coming from. ;)

June 18, 2003, 11:07 AM
There's another "The Quick and the Dead" that stars Sam Elliott, Tom Conti, and Kate Capshaw that's based on, I think, a Louis L'Amour book. It's not too bad.

June 18, 2003, 11:20 AM
Sam Raimi

Heh, hey... Like _any_ of his movies with BOOMSTICKS!

June 18, 2003, 11:32 AM
I know she is very anti-gun.

I just wondered, with her new found wisdom, if she returned the money she made from that movie which was all about evil guns?

I think it would be a nice gesture if all the Hollywood crowd that is anti gun not only returned their salaries from movies that involved guns in any way to victim rights organizations but also promised to never perform in another movie where guns were involved.

In about ten minutes characters like Stallone, Baldwin and others would be living in refrigerator boxes under an overpass.

Hey! Maybe Sara Brady can get them all to sign a pledge on never making another movie that used guns. D'ya think they are ready to put their money where their mouth is? Or do you think they'll continue to mouth platitudes, use armed guards (or carry themselves) and handle any gun they hand them on the set?


Don P.

Mike Irwin
June 18, 2003, 11:57 AM
Oh no, it's OK if they use guns in movies, even violent movies that show people being shot...

That's ART.

And everyone knows that art doesn't affect life...

June 18, 2003, 02:13 PM
Nah, instead of having the actors return the money they'll probably eventually just have Speilberg go back in and digitally replace the guns with flashlights and walkie-talkies.

Rambo will have to shine the cops to death.

brad cook

June 18, 2003, 02:21 PM
Yet another classic episode... Man I love that show!

El Tejon
June 18, 2003, 04:06 PM
I was force marched into the video store last weekend. I escaped to roam the aisles.

Did you ever notice how many Hollywierd movies have photos of people with firearms on the VCR/DVD box? Of course, they are nearly all handling them incorrectly.:rolleyes:

June 18, 2003, 04:29 PM
Nasty, mean little Western that gets no air into your lungs. I hated it intensely. It wasn't just bad. It was offensive.

June 18, 2003, 07:19 PM
I liked it. It's supposed to be a goofy cartoon of a western.

Hell, pretty much all Sam Raimi movies are over-the-top live action cartoons.

Evil Dead II was pure genius.

June 18, 2003, 11:24 PM
Yet another classic episode... Man I love that show!

What show?

brad cook

June 19, 2003, 10:11 AM
"The scene where Gean Hackman gets shot in the belly and you can see the sun shine through the wound was almost funny."

That's because she was using wadcutters. :D

June 19, 2003, 10:28 AM
Evil Dead II was pure genius.

wingnutx: Ah--a kindred soul! :cool:

The moment when Ash chops down the barrels of the side-by-side shotgun with his chainsaw, twirls the gun into the scabbard, and utters, "Groovy"... Well, could there BE a better gun-moment??? ;)

Dave T
June 19, 2003, 11:02 AM
Here's another vote for the other "Quick and the Dead". It was pretty good as Hollywood goes - but then I'm a fan of most anything Sam Elliot does.

The one most of you folks are talking about was crap!

Silver Bullet
June 19, 2003, 12:09 PM
I DO remember Rawhide Kid and Kid Colt Outlaw. Do you remember Madame 44 ?

Silver Bullet
June 19, 2003, 12:26 PM
I seem to remember a Two-Gun Kid, also. Was he Marvel ?

Double Maduro
June 19, 2003, 03:12 PM
Darn, I thought this was going to be about bayonet fighting.

June 19, 2003, 04:07 PM
Silver Bullet:

Madame 44--wow, that one must've snuck past me!

Yeah, I have vague recollections of a Two-Gun Kid also, and Marvel sounds right. Great memory you have there!

To be honest, I only read the cowboy comics after I had gone through Spider-Man, The Avengers, Daredevil, The X-Men, Iron Man/Captain America, Fantastic Four, Dr. Strange, The Hulk, and the Mighty Thor (in that order) at the local pharmacy for the month... :)

The cowboy comics did manage some sublime moments, however. My favorite was when the Rawhide Kid, in the course of a saloon shoot-out, shot the guns out of 2 baddies' hands behind him by looking at the saloon mirror while shooting over his shoulders... It took me months to perfect THAT trick... ;)


Silver Bullet
June 19, 2003, 07:49 PM
Madame 44 didn't have her own comic book title. She was just a character who appeared in one of the other titles (Two-Gun Kid, I think) for a few issues. She wore a mask, carried a pistol (or two), and was moseying towards a romance with the Kid, as I recall. The 44 referred to her ... pistol caliber, I believe. I mean, what else could it be, besides her age ? :)

My Marvel order (back in '63-'68) Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Thor, The Avengers, Iron Man, X-Men, Sgt. Fury, Dr. Strange, Daredevil. Thor deserves a movie. So do the Fantastic Four, and I hear that their's is in the works.

Silver Bullet
June 19, 2003, 07:51 PM
And JFrame: Welcome to The High Road ! :cool:

June 20, 2003, 08:12 AM
Hey S.B.,

Your time-frame is very similar to mine. I guess we can consider ourselves blessed that we lived through the "second golden age" of comics... I'm sure we're better people for it! ;)

Now how could I forget Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos??? Add them to my list!

Totally agree about a Thor movie. With Loki, Odin, Aesgard, etc., that could be one heckuva cosmic experience...

I'd also heard about the Fantastic Four movie--I think it's slated to star George ("I'm pi$$ing away all my goodwill") Clooney as Reed Richards.

I'd also heard that there was once a Sgt. Rock (of D.C. Comics fame) movie in the works, starring either Bruce Willis or Arnold Schwarzenegger, but that seems to have been sucked into the Hollywood limbo of aborted projects.

And thanks for the welcome!


Kentucky Rifle
June 20, 2003, 09:51 AM
The Sam Elliot "Quick" was good.
The Sharon Stone "Quick" was bad. Even before she turned her PPK/s in..."For the children", I couldn't stand the sight of her. Matter of taste, I reckon.


June 20, 2003, 10:03 AM
I could watch the movie again since I know the campy style it was made, but I still liked the Evil Dead series more. Bruce Campbell needs to do more like that, or Brisco Country Jr.

June 20, 2003, 10:32 AM
Awesome Evil Dead series quotes

"Hail to the king, baby."
"Good, Bad; I'm the one with the gun."
"Shop smart, shop S-Mart!"
"Lets dance."

Bruce is the king.

Silver Bullet
June 20, 2003, 11:05 AM
Fantastic Four movie--I think it's slated to star George Clooney

That ruins my day.

June 20, 2003, 12:19 PM
Yep--I think we're all agreed that "Quick and the Dead" is not the high point of Sam Raimi's career... But it CAN be a fun movie IF the viewer a) plants tongue firmly in cheek; b) stares at all the pretty, shiny guns; and c) tries to anticipate what outlandish way they'll figure out how to do in the next victim. :D

"Bruce is the king." Did'ja catch Bruce's cameos in other Raimi movies? He was the final face of Darkman in, er, "Darkman," and he was the rasslin' ring announcer in "Spider-Man." Clearly a Raimi favorite (with good reason!).

"That ruins my day."
You voiced my sentiments exactly! Let's hope a massive case of Montezuma's Revenge requires a casting change... :p


June 20, 2003, 02:08 PM
Yeah i caught both of those!

I just about jumped outa my seat when i heard that voice in Spiderman!

IMHO, they shoulda dumped that Toby sissy and cast Bruce "If Chins Could Kill" Campbell as Peter Parker

4v50 Gary
June 20, 2003, 02:34 PM
Arnold or Gov. Jesse Ventura will have to play Bulldozer. Better for Gov. Jesse since he's bigger (methinks Arnie's only 5'10") Save Sgt. Rock for somebody else.

June 20, 2003, 03:17 PM
4v50 Gary,
Yes--Ventura would make the PERFECT Bulldozer! Put a buzz-cut toupee on the man, dress him in criss-crossing belts of .30-cal ammo, and he's good to go!

Bruce may have been a little long in the tooth at that point, but I appreciate your sentiment. :)


June 20, 2003, 03:31 PM
Spiderman, the geri years. ;)

June 20, 2003, 03:32 PM
Kinda thought of the Sharon Stone "Quick" as a sort of "Chick Western" role-genre switch to suit the PC marketing dweebs. Plus, I kinda think that ol' Sharon wanted to play chicken hawk with Leonardo;-))

Did anyone else think that arming the "Swedish Champion" with a Le Mat was more-than-a-little-over-the-top for gratuitous strangeness?

"Barbarosa" - now THERE'S a western!

June 20, 2003, 04:28 PM
I actually really liked Quick and the Dead. I think you have to really like old Sergio Leone films AND get the fact that Raimi was both doing an homage to and a sendup of them at the same time.

June 20, 2003, 08:25 PM
I can only pray that Sharon performs as well in her role of Hillary the Hellian (pumpkin legs!) :barf: :evil:

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