Hunting with .357mag Revolver


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Deadheadted37
April 29, 2007, 11:32 AM
Hello,

I recently bought a Ruger GP100 4" .357mag as was wondering what anybody's thoughts where for hunting white tailed deer with it?

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Zoom93
April 29, 2007, 03:01 PM
Your .357mag should be great for hunting deer. Just geat the loads that are rated for deer-sized game in the Winchester game chart (or same in other makes) and take close shots. It should work great (did for me last year-37yd.s). Good luck!

Clipper
April 29, 2007, 08:27 PM
I used a 6" .357 Blackhawk for Deer, and used .38 wadcutters in it for rabbit & squirrel for 20 some years...

Gustav
April 29, 2007, 11:31 PM
The .357 will due its part if you do yours I would go with a heavier bullet such as a 158 JHP and get within 50 yards or less if possible.
As with anything shot placement makes a big difference.
Good luck and good hunting.

eliphalet
April 29, 2007, 11:53 PM
Sometimes I am amazed at what I read on this forum. Simply amazed.
My thought would be " go buy a suitable deer rifle"

Grumulkin
April 30, 2007, 12:00 AM
My thought would be " go buy a suitable deer rifle"

Not all states permit rifles for deer hunting. Besides, handgun hunting is challenging and fun.

eliphalet
April 30, 2007, 12:03 AM
Let me amend that OK " Go purchase a suitable gun in a proper caliber for the job at hand"

R.W.Dale
April 30, 2007, 12:18 AM
Let me amend that OK " Go purchase a suitable gun"

OH PLEASE! Go scrounge together a couple dollars and buy a clue:banghead: A 357 magnum is an artillery piece compared to what our forefathers used sucessfully in the 19th century. Cartridges like 32-20, 44-40 or even 44 rimfire and lastly god forbid round ball:evil:

Heck true 357 magnum loadings puts even the old 45 colt loadings "back on the trailer"

eliphalet
April 30, 2007, 12:58 AM
in the 19th century.

But as outdoors men with horses to help, and skills most folks now days don't have a clue about, much less posses, or we wouldn't be discussing this and 4" 357's, AK's and other such nonsense to hunt big game with..
Just because something "can" be done doesn't make it a good idea.
I give up.
This is foolish on my part, to even inter into.
I learned along time ago not to argue with women and fools. so,
I am gonna shut up. Before I get myself into trouble if I haven't already.

dakotasin
April 30, 2007, 12:58 AM
OH PLEASE! Go scrounge together a couple dollars and buy a clue


in some states - like my current one - a 357 mag is not legal for deer. the minimum legal handgun is a 357 max, minimum legal commonly available is the 41 mag.

i'm not saying a 357 won't kill a deer, but am saying it isn't the ultimate deer whacker.

tasco 74
April 30, 2007, 12:59 AM
of course you can drop a deer with a .357 mag handgun..... i have a 6" barrel on my smith&wesson and i've seen what it does to targets like cars and steel appliances....... i have no dought it will harvest a deer!!!........... and i second krochuses comment!!..............

Arcticfox
April 30, 2007, 01:25 AM
My 2 cents....

I recognize that the .357 has taken EVERY game animal walking the U.S. (google that if you are in doubt). One of my customers, who is an avid hunter, had an intersting point. I asked him if I should hunt deer with my 629. He suggested that if you are going to hunt, you should do what is fair to the animal. If you are going to kill it, kill it well. krochus mentioned that our fathers hunted with inferior ballistics. Well, people once hunted with boomerangs and slingshots. But that was all they had. Not terribly handy for big game. Shouldn't we choose the best tool for the job?

R.W.Dale
April 30, 2007, 01:33 AM
This is foolish on my part, to even inter into.
I learned along time ago not to argue with women and fools. so,
I am gonna shut up. Before I get myself into trouble if I haven't already.

YEP those dang FACTS keep popping up, so for you it's best to leave when that happens.

Please enlighten us as to how a 200grn Keith style .357 diameter hardcast that'll put a 35 caliber hole through both shoulders of a deer is inadequate. Or how it's irresponsible to use a 180grn bonded cor-bon slug with over 600 ft lbs of energy!


Well, people once hunted with boomerangs and slingshots. But that was all they had. Not terribly handy for big game. Shouldn't we choose the best tool for the job?

Animals don't get any deader with newer cartridges than with more traditional hunting methods. Our current generation is a really self centered lot in a large portion of us actually believe that we're at the pinnacle of human's hunting achievement.

kmrcstintn
April 30, 2007, 03:51 AM
okay...here's another point to ponder; not everyone has the ability to control recoil and maintain good clean tight shot groups from the latest batch of super magnums such as .480 Ruger, .460 S&W magnum, and the .500 S&W magnum or some older favorites such as the .44 magnum, .454 Casuul, or .475 Lingbaugh

I've tried shooting .44 magnum several times with different handguns and even a .500 S&W chambered in a Magnum Research BFR...I had no accuracy to speak of due to flinching from recoil; the largest handgun I tromp thru the woods with is a .357 magnum revolver

Nematocyst
April 30, 2007, 04:05 AM
I'm looking to trade my 4" 686 for a 3".

3" in .357 mag is good to at least 30m.

If I can't take a deer at 30m w/ 3",
then I deserve to starve.

Grumulkin
April 30, 2007, 06:32 AM
what is fair to the animal

If you really want to be fair to the animal, don't shoot it at all. While you're at it, joint PETA and become a vegetarian to become even more fair. Oh, forego the leather shoes and belts while you're at it.

Also, methinks a 4 inch 357 Mag. is probably as effective or more effective than a bow. But I guess bow hunters should really go buy rifles instead.

qajaq59
April 30, 2007, 09:38 AM
All I would ask is, "How close can you get, and how well do you shoot?"

Deadheadted37
April 30, 2007, 02:50 PM
I did not buy a .357mag to hunt with, it is just an after thought. I prefer a slug barrel on my 870. A .357mag with a 4" barrel is legal in my state as long as the load is 500lbs on energy or more and rifles are illegal.

I have hunted once with a 30-06 in MO. and dropped a deer from about 850 feet out, it's not my style of hunting. I like to use the analogy that you should only shoot something as far away as you can hit a baseball. (for me about 110 or so yard’s.)

How close can you get is always the challenge, how well can you shoot is a matter of practice. 4" grouping at 25 yard's is not bad for only shooting this gun twice.

461
April 30, 2007, 08:36 PM
I'm thinking a lot of these folks who make a deer out to be some kind of behemoth that takes armor piercing .50cal rounds to kill have put none in the freezer! The .357 has killed game many times the size of a Whitetail with ease and in a responsible way, go for it if you can shoot well enough.

dakotasin
May 1, 2007, 03:43 AM
here's another point to ponder; not everyone has the ability to control recoil and maintain good clean tight shot groups from the latest batch of super magnums such as .480 Ruger, .460 S&W magnum, and the .500 S&W magnum or some older favorites such as the .44 magnum, .454 Casuul, or .475 Lingbaugh


as a sidetrack to this thread... i submit my smith 686 w/ full honk hunting handloads has much more severe recoil, noise, and general obnoxiousness than my ruger srh in 480 w/ nuclear level loads. i also know the 480 will end-to-end a 215 pound buck at 80 yards - and know a 357 will not w/ a 190 pound buck at 60 yards... however, the 686 is far easier to pack...

innerpiece
May 2, 2007, 02:05 PM
usually folks who say a .357 isnt a good idea for deer, also think using an AK or SKS isnt a good idea....

They also more than likely havent shot a deer with a .357, or an AK ;)


alotta GunSnobs dont understand, there is more than one recipe for any meal...

Enjoy yer hunt with that .357! it will do its part if you do yers!

ip.

JesseL
May 2, 2007, 09:31 PM
I wonder how folks like eliphalet feel about bow hunting (with projectiles that carry less energy than a 22lr)?

marksman13
May 2, 2007, 10:56 PM
JesseL, I was wondering the same thing. Can we get your opinion, eliphalet?

eliphalet
May 3, 2007, 12:09 AM
Nope,
It would be kinda like spittin in the wind.

Brett Byers
May 3, 2007, 12:18 AM
I have used a 6" GP100 with 180 Grain Winchester Partition Gold to harvest a doe at 63YDS. The bullet went through that deer like she was toilet paper and she dropped on the spot!

marksman13
May 3, 2007, 02:24 AM
JesseL, I think the stark diffence between a 100 grain broadhead and a 40 grain .22 cal bullet is mass. Not to mention the permanent wound channel left by a three blade Muzzy!!!:what: Don't know that even a very hot loaded .357 mag with a great bullet could match the wound channel and blood loss of one of those broadheads. I could see where even ephilet may appreciate that.:D

Mannix
May 3, 2007, 07:55 AM
The conclusion all of these "can I kill x with y caliber?" threads come to is simple:

If you have the skill to use the weapon/gun effectively enough to kill the animal in one shot, go for it(if it's legal), but if you can't all you're going to do is make the animal suffer. If you are confident that you can get a kill shot on the deer, take it, but if the shot isn't there, or you aren't sure if you can take it, don't and go get something bigger that will kill it quickly/wait for a better shot. Also, check your local laws before using a weapon that is not commonly used for hunting, there may be magazine restrictions or all out bans on certain weapons/calibers.

Hunt responsibly or don't hunt at all.

songsofreedom
May 6, 2007, 11:51 PM
Hey Guys, what about a .45 long colt? I think that is more than sufficient to hunt deer with, why would a .357 Mag be insufficient? We're not talking 100 yd shots here, probably out to 50 yards, in most deer country. I'm from the northeast, and my shots have averaged only 25-30 yards at best, with all the brush, you can't see that far in the thickets anyways, so a pistol/revolver makes all the sense in the world, I always felt like a rifle with a hi-powered scope was too much, when I could only see 60-100 feet in front of me anyways. Plus, its more exciting..

dakotasin
May 8, 2007, 12:00 AM
why would a .357 Mag be insufficient?


because it is illegal?

Nematocyst
May 8, 2007, 06:02 AM
why would a .357 Mag be insufficient?1) You are in the wrong Detroit neighborhood and feel the need for an Abrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams).

2) You are in Alaska and are about to become dinner for a griz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_bear). (Please see .454C, 870 12 ga, or .45-70.)

3) You have been transported off Earth onto a planet inhabited by life forms 2X larger than humans (http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/films/aliens/1000-1.jpg).

Otherwise, I don't know.

For all other circumstances, I don't feel outgunned with a 686.

Waywatcher
May 10, 2007, 05:53 AM
Quote:
why would a .357 Mag be insufficient?

because it is illegal?

Its legal here. A .357 mag has the power to send a .357" slug through a deer, so how is that insufficient?

I hunted last year with it, but never had the opportunity for a shot.

Triple S
May 12, 2007, 02:11 AM
Yes, a .357 has the power to take deer and hogs, but it is not ideal. I have used a 6" 686 to take both. However, I prefer to shoot a 44 mag (or larger) for either when I decide to use a handgun. The .357 will harvest both, but it is limited to the ability of the shooter. All of my shots on hogs and deer with a .357 have been under 35 yards. I have taken hogs over 300 pounds and deer approaching 200 pounds with a .357. In most cases, it has been specific to the circumstances. When I set out hunting with a revolover, I like the .44 mag (or larger). After grunting a 195 pound buck up to within 30 yards, I shot him once with a 158 grain hydroshock (I did not have a chace to switch out my "defense" ammo to hunting bullets). This is not the ideal load, but it exited thorugh both shoulders and the deer ran approxiamtely 30 yards. There was not much of a blood trail and terminal damage was very minimal. The larger hogs have reacted much different. Beside brain or spinal shots, most have required multiple shots, traveled great distances, and soaked up alot of shots before expiring. Again, these are specific to certain circustances. These experiences have come through tracking my own game or for others. I have followed many deer and hogs into close brush with a .357, but bullet choice is crucial. Yes, I have hunted hogs with dogs and close, brain shots are normal, but beyond that a .357 is marginally effective. If you are too use a .357, pick a large for caliber bullet. It will work, but do not expect dramatic performance. The .357 will work but it is not ideal. If it is all you have, use it and "pick" your shots. If not, pick a larger caliber that you can handle and practice, practice, practice.

qajaq59
May 12, 2007, 08:24 AM
After all is said and done, it still comes down to getting close enough and hitting where you should. Meet that criteria and you wont have a problem.

Big Daddy K
May 12, 2007, 10:24 AM
What would be good factory hunting ammo?

I know federal has a 158 gn cast bullet that is loaded pretty hot.

I havent looked but I bet Garrett carries a good 357 hunting round.

I'm looking at getting a used Black Hawk in 357 as a simple woods carry gun while I accompany my boys on fall squirrle hunts here in East Texas. I was wanting a 41 mag in Taurus Tracker but the ammo is awful high. With the 357 my sons ages 6 and 10 and myself can shoot 38s all day long on our little pistol range.

When we run across some East Texas Grizzley's AKA wild hogs the 357 with cast bullets may drop a few in the 100 -150 lbs class.:D

ZeSpectre
May 12, 2007, 11:03 AM
The "problem" (note the quotes) with hunting with a .357 Magnum pistol isn't the round or the pistol. The "problem" is almost always the hunter. If you decide to hunt deer with a .357 pistol you are putting yourself into a situation where the "buffer" that will compensate for poor skills has been greatly reduced and quite simply the deciding factor in the equation is now the skills of the hunter.

If you want to hunt deer with a .357 Magnum pistol (and it's legal) then go for it. My uncle brought in at least one cleanly killed deer every year that way.

But please don't be a bonehead. Spend the time and effort to hone your skills beforehand so you don't end up like my dad and his single botched pistol hunting attempt <gruesome is the best description I can give>.

The responsibility for a clean hunt rests on the person behind the trigger and nobody else.

priv8ter
May 12, 2007, 05:03 PM
I know of some folks that use 158gr bullets. A 158 gr hard cast would probably be okay. When I was prepping to use my .357 for deer, I went with Federals 180gr CastCore...it was the heaviest bullet I could get my hands on.

Yes, Buffalo Bore and Cor-Bon both make some outstanding loads, but I felt the Federal was 'good enough', and even more important, it was cheaper, so I was able to get more practicing in.

While hunting at different times I have carried a 4" 686 with the 180gr CastCores, a Ruger Black Hawk .45 Colt with 300gr SP, or a 5" 626 with 300gr SP's. My gun of choice now is the 626, because as someone else stated, I find the .44 with hunting loads to be more pleasent(and therfore) more accurate than the .357 with hunting loads.

But, with all three of these guns and loads, I felt that any buck within 40-yards was going to be in trouble.

While I can't condone the anger people feel towards people using a .357 on deer, I do understand it a bit. A someone who grew up where the minimum caliber for deer is .243, I almost lost my mind when I found out people in lots of states use .223 or .22-250 for deer. I mean, how irresponsible can you be, right?

I learned my lesson though...in the end, it all comes down to the guy pulling the trigger doing his job and putting the bullet in the right spot.

Quickdraw Limpsalot
May 17, 2007, 09:09 PM
Well, you don't have to be like this moron (http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2KIs6CikrY) but please don't be a Zumbo. The .357 has taken truckloads of deer quickly and humanely. I've seen it on several occaisions. If you don't feel it's a capable round, don't use it... but to deny it's "enough" is just dumb.

Eyesac
May 18, 2007, 01:55 PM
The .357 has taken truckloads of deer quickly and humanely. I've seen it on several occaisions. If you don't feel it's a capable round, don't use it... but to deny it's "enough" is just dumb.

kmrcstintn
May 25, 2007, 02:30 AM
been pondering this one again...I just don't know what to do; I own 2 .357 magnum revolvers and one has a 6" barrel which is my hunting sidearm...I have been thinking about getting a Marlin lever action rifle chambered for .357 magnum to have a 'matched' set; right now, I have a Tikka T3 in .223, a Winchester M70 in .270, and a Mosin Nagant in 7.62 x 54; I also have a rifled slug barrel for my 12 ga Remmy 870...

for use in a handgun, .357 magnum is well balanced and offers alot in the way of hitting power and controllability; I'm just not sure if it offers enough in a rifle setup to make a .357 mag lever rifle an appealing purchase; I feel that I am well covered in the long gun department and have enough variety to handle whatever I hunt in Pennsylvania

koja48
June 2, 2007, 08:20 PM
There are 2 factors to the equation, assuming the caliber is legal in a given state: the adequacy of the cartridge AND the ability of the hunter, not just in terms of consistent accuracy, but also in terms of hunting skill (the ability to get within range). I own a superbly accurate Python, but when I hunt deer this fall, I will carry my model 57 in .41 Mag. If an appropriate opportunity presents itself, I will use the wheelgun. Why the .41? I am very accurate with both, I have cleanly harvested deer with both, but I will opt for the extra "edge" the .41 provides (more power in this instance). However, if I only had a .357, I would have no problem carrying & using that. I'll also carry a .25-06 versus one of my belted magnums (I shoot the .25 more & intimately "know" what it does within effective ranges - more consistent accuracy at distance in this instance). So long as we, as hunters, hunt in an ethical manner & within our abilities, we can & should hunt with the tool of our choice. Enjoy your particular passion in your particular way, form and be true to your own beliefs, but don't criticize others if their choice in firearms/methods does not align with yours. Remember where we live . . . America . . . we have choices.

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