Buffalobore Heavy .38+P 158gr opinions


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Scotticus
April 30, 2007, 09:52 AM
I'm looking for that magic SD load somewhere between insufficient penetration and over-penetration for my 3" SP101 .357 for urban carry/HD.

I have not yet done a lot of testing different loads, but understand that with fixed sights, a 158gr should be POA (otherwise I probably would go with the WW 110gr .357). For hiking and field use, I will probably go with a 158gr. .357 when I am in areas where I am not concerned about over-penetration.

This Buffalobore load, 20A, the heavy .38 special +P 158gr. soft lead semi-wadcutter hollow cavity bullet lists at 1143fps and 458ftlbs out of a 3" barrel. Sounds perfect to me, but wanted to see if there was anybody with experience with this round out there.

Thanks for any input.

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SaxonPig
April 30, 2007, 11:25 AM
Except for the hollow point that load duplicates the 38/44 "Super Police" load developed for the Heavy Duty (Model 20) S&W revolver.

Many shooters observe that +P using a 125 at 925 FPS is too much for the typical revolver. I have be arguing with them for years about the relative power of the +P (which I consider rather wimpy). Apparently Buffalo Bore isn't afraid of this load in a quality made revolver.

My feelings, exactly.

If this load won't do it for you then you then are doomed to disappointment as there is nothing heavier.

Jim March
April 30, 2007, 12:54 PM
Nothing heavier in 38Spl that is. There are certainly heavier 357s but you'll pay a price in recoil and possible over-penetration. A lot of 158 357s are meant as "deep punch hunting loads". I had a chance to examine some Gold Dot 158s marked "personal defense" and was not happy with the very, VERY shallow "hollowpoint dimple" design. Yes, it will probably still expand, but probably not very quickly. The 125gr high-speed Gold Dot as used by Doubletap and Buffbore at much higher speeds (1500+ from a 3") should expand a lot faster and makes more sense as an urban load than the Gold Dot 158...even though the hollowpoint "dimple" is identical between the Speer-labeled 158 I examined two days ago and the 125 Doubletaps I own. The speed of the 125 will pry it open faster, reducing over-penetration.

The Buffbore 158+P is a great choice in an SP101 as it was have nowhere NEAR the crash'n'boom of the Doubletap 125s and less felt recoil than the 357 158s doing 1200+.

Sundles
April 30, 2007, 08:04 PM
Im biased, but I have fired thousands of that particular load. It is low flash and low "boom". It is super powerful for 38SPL+P ammo.

Brass Fetcher
April 30, 2007, 08:49 PM
http://www.brassfetcher.com/38special2inchbarrel.html

Is a test I did a few months ago with a single shot of the round in question.

ArchAngelCD
April 30, 2007, 09:24 PM
This Buffalobore load, 20A, the heavy .38 special +P 158gr. soft lead semi-wadcutter hollow cavity bullet lists at 1143fps and 458ftlbs out of a 3" barrel.
That's a really hot .38 Sp +P load for sure. That's just about what a .357 Magnum load does. Remington and Winchester lists their 158 gr LSWC .357 Magnum round at 1235/535... Wow, that's a very hot .38 Special load...

ARTiger
April 30, 2007, 10:12 PM
I tried that load in an airweight and it was a bit much . . . in an SP101 would be just right IMO as that gun has enough weight to tame the recoil a bit more. No doubt it's among the hottest .38 Spl +P loads ever.

BTW, what I have left of the box I bought now lives in my GP100 4" versus magnum ammunition. Hits nearly as hard and much more controllable.

351 WINCHESTER
April 30, 2007, 10:48 PM
My model 64, 4"hb is loaded with Buffalo Bore +P LHP right now. According to BB they claim almost 1200 fps from a 4" "real" gun. I got a tad over 1000 fps from my 640 1/78". I remember the famous fbi or chicaco load had a very good track record and they were only going about 900 fps from a 4" "test" bbl.

My money's on Buffalo Bore.

Brass Fetcher
April 30, 2007, 11:13 PM
@351WIN ... Do you remember whose .38 snubnose that was that was used for the test ... ? ;)

JE

armoredman
April 30, 2007, 11:16 PM
Hmm, I am looking for a carry load for my Smith 10-8. Besides the Remington/Winchester/Federal 158gr +P LHP, that NOBODY HERE IN TUCSON HAS ON THE DADGUM SHELF, ahem, excuse me, this might be the ticket.

Sundles
May 1, 2007, 12:44 AM
armoredman,

I wish we had more thourough distribution, but try as we might, we cant get every distributor to carry us--yet.

Go to www.buffalobore.com and order or phone us at 406-745-AMMO (2666) to order.

351 WINCHESTER
May 1, 2007, 12:55 AM
JE223. It was my 640. I'm still finding your gelatin on my revolver, thank you very much. Just kidding. It was fun.

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