She messed up my gun : Kids and Internet


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sm
April 30, 2007, 04:11 PM
I have a H&R Youth 20 gauge single shot shotgun; it is very sentimental to me.
This shotgun gun has a black painted stock, factory recoil pad and fixed Modified Choke.
This shotgun patterns some of the best patterns and slug groups I have ever shot.
This shotgun, has been the reason so many people have bought one just like, or one similar in blue and wood. Truck /Vehicle use, travel and motel use to even hunting and having a fun time.

Yes, I do use this shotgun for my Serious Use needs at home.

One of the kids asked to borrow it so Mom could shoot it again. Mom has her 870 pump in 20 gauge, and the kid has her own 28 gauge single shot.
Just, well, mom really enjoys the fun and challenge and if she borrowed mine, maybe find out if mom wants a 20 gauge like mine, or a 28 gauge like hers for a gift giving day.

These folks are not members of THR, or any gun forum, they do read the forums and I have shared with them, read to them and even shared about them here on THR.

Gun Cleaning

Now we learned about 4 Rules of Gun Safety, and how it applies to questions in regard to Cleaning.
Go here to read an excellent work in regard to gun cleaning and safety:
http://www.corneredcat.com/GunCare/cleaning4rules.aspx

WE have had the sharing how more guns are messed up by improper cleaning methods, improper use of cleaning rods, solvents, and lubricants.
Some folks wear out a firearm/ do more harm taking one apart more than they need to every single time they clean, wearing out this, wearing out that, or just going too far, past level of experience, skill, and proper tool for the task.

Some just take too many short cuts. Nothing wrong with "working smarter - not harder" caveat is do so properly.

Kids do read Internet.
New folks to firearms read Internet.

Yes - Folks are responsible for one's actions, then again, WE responsible firearm owners are ambassadors in how we post, and how we carry ourselves in real life.

This shotgun, does not require much. It is a proven design with a history.
I concern myself with Chamber, Extraction as this is where most Shotgun and other Platforms malfuntion.

This shotgun being break open, I keep RIG +P , or STOS on hinge pin as well.

Ballistol is something we went to, with the kids, and some others we hang around with, simply because some were dealing with Cancer, and the non-toxic concerns.

Mom shot the shotgun, even the kid with some really really light loads,and even some primer only loads. Working on correct basics and all.

All it needed was to be brought back, if nothing else just clean chamber.
Getting more involved, simply remove forearm, wipe with a cloth where hinge area is, apply some RIG+ P,or STOS and pipe cleaner here or cotton swab there...wipe it down.

Brake cleaner
Well the kid and mom have seen me use brake cleaner. I used to degrease and clean up some other things, not firearms.
I have used brake cleaner on a shotgun barrel all by itself, after running a batter operated drill with a cleaning rod, bristle brush and finest grit of Scoth-brite pad.

I normally do not even do this, I think the day this young lady saw me do it, was simply to empty the can and toss it.

My shotgun was taken apart, drill used to clean chamber, and bore.
Barrel is off gun.

Young lady shot the brake cleaner into the area behind hammer, puled hammer back, shot in there, and them sprayed hinge pin area and all.
The she just set this receiver end leaning up, and the brake cleaner ran down to buttstock, Kolplin elasic butt cuff, and the over spray hit the forearm.

Mom was parenting. "Honey, stop, and do not do anything until I get right back".
Mom needed to assist another mom and kid.

There was that Brake Cleaner over there, for use on de-greasing some stuff on the property, and ...

This young lady remembered reading how Brake Cleaner "blasts" out all that stuff and she would hurry up and take a short cut and impress mom being so smart.

The mom comes back and the daughter is stunned, head hanging down and about to cry, and then did.
It broke this child's heart.
Mom did not have to say a word or ask any questions.
She just "blubbered it all out" She could not stop apologizing and being sorry and grounding herself.
Just beating herself worse than any one else could.

What do you do? We adults were all kids once , we goofed up.
As adults, we have been there, upset, wanting to correct, fuss at, and...your emotions run from being upset, disappointed, blaming yourself and heart being broken.

Life lesson time, dealt with, as a mom and daughter have dealt with other life lessons. Be they mom making a mistake, they both making mistakes together, or having been through some life stuff and just them two as a team to make it past.

There is no way to put into words how that young looked and felt when she brought the gun back.
"I messed up, I am responsible and I have to be there when Steve's gun is returned".

Understand this mom and child went through a bad deal, and a Male hurt them both.
So we have the added concern of them both getting past that, and getting to where Males are accepted...I was the first male they both trusted.

Here this young lady with all that past, her mom too, still the kid herself full of all sorts of who-knows-what, returning a shotgun to a guy she calls her "Adopted Uncle".

Yeah. It was tough for me seeing them both go through this, especially this young lady.
Frankly I was concerned as I did not want her or mom to go "backwards" on any progress that they have made.

Kids, I keep saying I learn from everyone I am around, or have assisted with, and this includes kids.
She had her stuff to say, and she was pretty hard on herself. I mean she was willing to pay for it, pay to refinish it, give me her 28 gauge gun, and you name it.

I had to be honest.
Yes the gun is sentimental to me, I have actually taken really good care of this gun, even though I have used it a lot.
I have toyed with removing the black finish and therefore having a wood and bead blasted nickel finish shotgun.

She brought her cleaning kit as she knows I don't have one.
She forgot to fill up her little bottle with Ballistol and too far from home to go back and had mom stop and *sigh* "nobody here stocks Ballistol". So with her own money she bought a aerosol can of Break-Free CLP.
Frumpy about this, still she got "something to help".

So she and I took the shotgun apart, with mom watching and letting us have our "quality time" and "lesson time" and the mood lightened up.
Mom started it, teasing, "I need a picture of you Steve cleaning a gun to blow your reputation".

I made some wise crack about the "character" of the shotgun butt stock would make her look fat if she did.
The kid giggled. Smiled. The World was OK again. :D

"So I guess I am OK with you, I mean we are OK and still buds and all?"
"Yep. You and I are best buds, Mom too. Life happens and we forgive , go on and get on with life".

"OK, now you need to clean your CCW and let me see again how you do that one again ". :D

Dang Women! Sneeeeeaky bunch , and they team up on a guy too!
Mom busted out laughing, daughter with that smirky grin saying " I got him!"

So...err...yeah, I cleaned my CCW. :p

"Okay, you can keep the CLP, I bought that for you, and it blows your bit about not having any gun oil or nothing at home" :)
See how folks that like me, treat me? ;)

Then I learned a "trick" ;) She asked if I had a empty eye dropper bottle and empty pill bottle.
I did and she showed me how to "real carefully" put CLP from the spray can into this bottle.
I had to find a Popsicle stick too, that is how you put dabs of RIG+P into a pill bottle and the extension straw taped to the side is an applicator. ;)

It takes two hugs from a mom and 3 from a kid to make all this "really really OK".


Life lessons are tough sometimes. We never know whom is reading a gun forum, age, level of experience or if they even have someone to assist and share with them.

I do believe I will watch myself a bit more than I have been on some of what I share...


Steve

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Heavy Metal Hero
April 30, 2007, 04:14 PM
Ouch.

imechura
April 30, 2007, 04:16 PM
If this is the extent of your problems you are blessed. I don't see what it is you are complaining about.

sm
April 30, 2007, 04:32 PM
I am not complaining. :)

It is my responsibility to pass forward as passed to me all that encompasses Responsible Firearm Ownership.

My post, was to inform, make folks aware of some life lessons and firearm related matters.

Caimlas
April 30, 2007, 05:23 PM
Going back to the child's transgression... in my mind, the problem didn'st start when she broke your gun. The problem started when she disobeyed her mom. She needs a good letting into for that, IMO. That was the root of the problem, and as it appears it was left unaddressed.

vynx
April 30, 2007, 05:29 PM
Thats the best thing about those HR single barrels. Not a rare collectors item and easily replaced or just used as is.

hnk45acp
April 30, 2007, 05:31 PM
She may have messed up a gun which has sentimental value to you but at least you've created a memory that hopefully over the years will turn a smile when recalled.
"Remember the time I used brake cleaner on your shotgun?"
As tough as her life may have been she seems to have head head screwed on right. You are a very lucky man

Kharn
April 30, 2007, 05:34 PM
Yes, I do use this shotgun for my Serious Use needs at home.Sorry to hear about how it was abused, but a single-shot for serious use? :scrutiny:

Kharn

WayneConrad
April 30, 2007, 06:08 PM
A sentimental gun gets hurt but your focus is on the well being of the girl who hurt it. You've got a heart of gold. Thanks for the great story, Steve.

sm
April 30, 2007, 06:23 PM
Oh the matter of not minding was addressed. ;)

I was her size once upon a time, and I was told to not get into the Hoppe's NO. 9 , instead wait for a Mentor to assist me.

I did not wait.
I messed up the finish a wittle bit on the wood and spilled the bottle. :uhoh:
This Mentor like all Mentors meant a lot to me, trusted me and now :uhoh: , I had really really messed up.

The matter was addressed ;)
I know all too well about having to own up to mistakes, and feeling really bad, scared and all.
Soda bottles only brought 2 pennies each, it took quite a few to replace a half a bottle of Hoppe's No. 9.

Some lessons stick, I normally used that soda bottle money to get .22 ctgs for my gun...I did not shoot much , didn't really feel like it to be honest. Still feeling bad and all.
So Mentor fussed about "drop it, it is history, learn from it and move forward".
I shot some his .22 ctgs and later bigger hands helped my smaller hands use that new bottle of Hoppe's No. 9 with the Supervison like I was supposed to...


I 'member ...:wittle boy look:

Just like the Mentor I goofed up with did not have any kids of his own...
I do not have any kids of my own either.

This does not mean one cannot be a Parent to a kid. We are to Mentor, Pass Forward...
and not only Firearm Stuff.

ArfinGreebly
April 30, 2007, 06:53 PM
Yes, I do use this shotgun for my Serious Use needs at home.
Sorry to hear about how it was abused, but a single-shot for serious use?
If yer good with a .550 caliber scattergun, one shot might be all you need.

bogie
April 30, 2007, 07:47 PM
I don't understand... Made it about halfway through the thing.

Are you saying that it's time to refinish the stock?

While doing so, take a forstner bit, of appropriate size, and use it to cut a shallow circular indent in the stock. A favorite photo goes in the hole. Put a piece of clear plexi over. Finish overall with some spar polyurethane, and it'll be somewhat waterproof too.

eng23ine
April 30, 2007, 08:05 PM
This does not mean one cannot be a Parent to a kid. We are to Mentor, Pass Forward...


Well said.

The world would be a MUCH better place if more people thought like that.

Avenger29
April 30, 2007, 09:51 PM
but a single-shot for serious use

Ain't a laughing matter if you are on the recieveing end.

For ~20 years, all my father had for defense in the house was a .22 rifle, .22 pistol, and a 20 gauge breakopen. sm does a lot of practice and is very, very competent with a shotgun of any design, so I am told.

Yes, a repeater is nice, if you can afford it. I am lucky to have acquired a small arms selection that is highly effective, but not all are lucky as I am. Some can only afford a used single shot...

And I have seen a guy shoot a single shot extremely rapidly...

And mentoring someone else in whatever hobby is extremely rewarding...I need to get onto finding somebody to mentor in getting their pilot's license...

RCouch
April 30, 2007, 10:00 PM
imechura-

SM was telling a story about his family, not complaining. Can't you tell the difference?

telomerase
April 30, 2007, 10:32 PM
SM was telling a story about his family

Is that like a sitcom? And the Ballistol and CLP mentions were "product placement", right? I understand now :D .

(SM, we've got to get you a video setup so you can put in special effects and a rap soundtrack, then upload to YouTube. How do you expect anyone to take a whole 30 seconds to read a story? :rolleyes: )

ArfinGreebly
May 1, 2007, 12:58 AM
I need to get onto finding somebody to mentor in getting their pilot's license.
Go West, young man.

There's a spot for you in Western Nevada.

Sylvan-Forge
May 1, 2007, 01:43 AM
Good story, sm. Thanks for sharing that.

I do believe I will watch myself a bit more than I have been on some of what I share...
I'm going to do some "tightening up" of my own.


I have toyed with removing the black finish and therefore having a wood and bead blasted nickel finish shotgun.
I bet that would look very fine.

Avenger29
May 1, 2007, 10:31 AM
Go West, young man.

There's a spot for you in Western Nevada.

Aye, I'm considering it. I'm gonna need a law school location. I hear there is great weather and gun laws out there. And it would do wonders for my allergies, I bet.

Bwana John
May 1, 2007, 02:03 PM
If the only thing wrong is runny spray paint Id say you got off easy.

I personally will not "loan" firearms. I will let people "use" my guns, but only under strict personal supervision. Good thing somebody didnt put in a .410 shell and then put in a .20 ga and pull the trigger. Or stuff the muzzle in the mud and then pull the trigger.:uhoh:

I do spraypaint my "ducks in the swamp" 870 pump shotgun, and reapply paint often, I think it works better than oil for preventing rust, and it camos the gun quite well.
And it would do wonders for my allergies, I bet.
you better do a search on "rabbitbrush/snakeweed" first.

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