self-defense ammo for .460 S&W


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envonge
May 1, 2007, 04:07 AM
Hello,

I am looking for some good self-defense ammo in my .460 S&W 4".

Currently I am considering the following:

http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/highresimage?saleitemid=512877

Please let me know your recommendations.

Thanks

-envonge

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vanilla_gorilla
May 1, 2007, 04:14 AM
I guess that would work for any lions or grizzlies that may attack.


As a bonus, I bet that round doubles as an anti-tank round as well. ;)

bad LT
May 1, 2007, 04:28 AM
If 10 assailants are attacking you and in a straight line,

you could save on ammo and place one shot through them all!!!

Cosmoline
May 1, 2007, 04:34 AM
You're joking, right? A hardcast 395 fn slug at 1525 fps is NOT for defense against humans. With a firearm of that power, you need to go with a low sectional density SP round.

You asked a while back if the big fifty was good for personal defense. Then you suggested using a nitro express for dogs. What's the meaning of these threads? Are you trolling?

Jim March
May 1, 2007, 05:16 AM
Ummmm...yeah, that's about the worst possible choice.

Jeez. Look, you're either going to have to handload something, or run a lesser caliber...correct me if I'm wrong here, but can't the 460 shoot...45LC? Or...something else? I don't know much about that the 460.

One option if you're handloading: people have experimented with lightweight Delrin plastic loads carved down on a lathe or cut from plastic cylindrical bar stock. What you get is about a 100gr full wadcutter doing some unbelievable speeds. I seem to recall somebody crossing 3,000fps in a 454Casull once. Hit somebody with THAT and...oh boy. Somebody get a mop and bucket, stat. It ain't gonna be pretty. But it also won't overpenetrate. ("Hey, is that a piece o' lung on the ceiling?" :barf:)

What you just pointed to...dang, I think it would take MORE than 10 supersized Americans to stop one. Add a brick wall or three for good measure. In any urban area that stuff would be criminally negligent to crank off. Wilderness, fine, but...yikes, not anywhere there's bystanders.

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Look...the ONLY form of "gun control" that makes sense is connected to the question "what's the risk to bystanders?"

We often get asked "well should private citizens own nukes?"

My answer is "not on planet earth, no. But if it's 400 years from now and you've got your own asteroid mining claim and you're in legit fear of space pirates, and your nearest neighbor is about 150,000 miles away, a nuke-based home defense system might make perfect sense."

Is a 50BMG rifle a good home defense gun in suburbia? Hell no. In the middle of the Alaska wilderness? Or on a sailboat 500 miles out to sea? No problemo.

What's reasonable is connected to risk to bystanders. And that particular 460 load is flat nuts in that department.

timothy75
May 1, 2007, 07:02 AM
The best self defense ammo for that that gun would be a jhp going around 850fps like win silvertip 45colt.

CypherNinja
May 1, 2007, 10:11 AM
Defense against what?

Humans: WRONG gun.

BIG Critters: That hardcast load is probably pretty good.

Sundles
May 1, 2007, 10:11 AM
Well, you didnt say "self defesne" against WHAT. So, I will dangerously assume that you mean against humans. The answer is simple. Buy a S&W mod.340 to stuff in your pocket while you are carrying that sutpid 460 around.

I very much dislike that X frame. Too big and too heavy = too stupid for me.

NavyLCDR
May 1, 2007, 11:04 AM
It does depend on what you want defense against! The object of self defense against human attackers is the ability of the bullet to expand within the body once it penetrates. The ammo you pointed to would not expand - it would just go right through. As others have said, a .460 S&W round has too high of a velocity to be effective against a human assailant. I would recommend .45 Colt.

Optimaly, I would go with this:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=571013

Then:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=691001

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=463160

kludge
May 1, 2007, 11:50 AM
yeah, it's called .45 Colt.

Bula
May 1, 2007, 12:13 PM
Are these legitimate questions? .50 BMG for have enough penetration for a human intruder? Defense ammo for a .460 Smith? .454 Casull for CCW? Something's definately wrong here evonge.

Smith & Wesson Man
May 2, 2007, 01:02 PM
Will this be for carry on your body or for home defense? In my opinion even the four inch is very big to carry. But if it is for both I would also go with the 45lc round. Their are a few ammo ammo choices. I bought some winchester silver tips that are marked for personal defense. When they made the 460 I don't think CCW was in their thoughts. I think the 454casuall would be also to much. It would go through to many things or people. If this is your only firearm you would have to make it work. If you can afford something else get a smith snub that can shoot either 357 or can handle +p 38 special loads. I hope this answers your question:)

ArchAngelCD
May 2, 2007, 06:04 PM
Why is anyone bothering to answer this guy's threads? It is obvious he can't be taken seriously. Don't waste your time or the bandwidth with answers.

Me thinks I smell a Troll.. Ya think?

dbarale
May 2, 2007, 07:01 PM
Envonge is probably 13 or 14 years old...

Starter52
May 2, 2007, 07:56 PM
Naw, no 13-yr-old would say "please" let me know. Gotta be 15 at least. :D

CZ.22
May 2, 2007, 08:04 PM
dbarale
I'm sure you're didn't intend any offense, but I am 13.
I know better than to use a .460xvr for defense.

dbarale
May 2, 2007, 09:29 PM
CZ, I'm sorry. I did not intend to offend you.
I, and a bunch of other guys here, started shooting young too. Way before the days of the internet...
I'm glad to see young people interested in guns and shooting sports. I just wish that some of them would do a little reading before posting silly questions.
You quote the Col. Cooper in your sig so obviously you've done your homework, or you've been raised right.

Troutman
May 2, 2007, 10:20 PM
<<Then you suggested using a nitro express for dogs.>>

I think of myself as a person without a sense of humor. But this one is funny.

envonge
May 18, 2007, 10:28 PM
Hello,

Would the following ammo be more practical for self-defense use?

http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/highresimage?saleitemid=316037

Thanks

Jimmie
May 18, 2007, 10:58 PM
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ChristopherG
May 19, 2007, 12:09 AM
Envonge,

Assuming that by 'self-defense' you mean defense against other persons--persons who are not unusually armored or hiding behind the engine block of a truck--then no, that's not much of an improvement in appropriate ammo choice. It's going to blow through a biped's body and stilll have 75% of its energy left, which will only be a very, very dangerous waste.

The recommendations above that you use a .45 Colt round engineered for self-defense are good ones, if the .460 is the gun of choice. Here are three examples:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=691001

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=463160

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=748758

If you believe you need a more powerful round than those for self-defense, then you must either be thinking of non-human threats or threats in very unusual circumstances.

If you are simply thinking that more power is better and that factors like recoil are irrelevant to how you would shoot a gun in a self-defense situation, you are wrong.

Please tell us more about why you would think of using such a powerful cartridge for self-defense.

NavyLCDR
May 21, 2007, 08:44 AM
I agree 100% with Jimmie.

FerFAL
May 23, 2007, 05:46 PM
Hello,

Would the following ammo be more practical for self-defense use?

http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dl...eitemid=316037

Thanks
hmmm....That doesn’t seem like powerful enough for self defense.
Maybe one of the single shot 50 BMG handguns would work for you better.

FerFAL

Plink
May 23, 2007, 06:01 PM
I'd just go with some decent hollowpoint .45 Colt loads. They are a very good defense round. The magnum loads are way too much for self defense against human attackers.

envonge
May 24, 2007, 07:27 AM
Thank you everyone for the advice! I am going to get a box of the following.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_38&products_id=132

jonsidneyb
May 24, 2007, 07:38 AM
Yes I agree that this is too much handgun for defense but it does address something some people like to say over and over again. No handgun has enough power to do what a rifle does because it cannot get the velocity.

I am thinking with a fast bullet this is going to behave like a rifle when it hits the target.

I suppose if you had one sidearm in big animal country, Moose and Big Bear you could load it to act like rifle ammo if it needs to get pressed into service as a defense gun.

I for one would not want to use it in that capacity.

tinygnat219
May 24, 2007, 07:56 AM
Self-Defense ammo for a .460 revolver.

I think the term "anything a beast like this chambers" applies rather well here. :neener:

22-rimfire
May 24, 2007, 01:44 PM
Dude, you don't need 45 Colt +P's for defense against people. Those like your original load are intended for hunting. Just get some regular old 45 Colt HP's or 44 Spl's for defense use. Most 44 mags are too powerful too. For hiking and hunting, your choice is fine. The 460 is not my first choice for a defensive handgun, but you use what you have. I hope you shoot with your parents or older friends. Be Safe. Wear eye and ear protection. Good luck.

envonge
May 24, 2007, 01:53 PM
Hello,

Would these be better?

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=571013

Thanks

Sundles
May 24, 2007, 03:30 PM
Those would be good. So would the Buffalo Bore item 3E and 3F.

seeker_two
May 24, 2007, 05:43 PM
envonge: Your first choice in ammo would be appropriate if you were being attacked by low-flying aircraft. Your second choice is a lot better.....

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