For safety, get rid of guns


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TechAlG
May 1, 2007, 02:43 PM
http://www.altoonamirror.com/Letters/articles.asp?articleID=11358

When will enough be enough? After seeing what our students have gone through at Virginia Tech, isnít it time for a radical change with guns?

If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly.

It is the cowards who are using guns to empower themselves because they know a gun is a weapon that will take your life in a split second. It is a coward who holds a gun to the cashierís face; it is a coward who commits drive-by shootings; and it is definitely a coward who walks into a classroom and takes innocent lives because he feels the world owes him.

So if it is the cowards who are using guns to take precious lives, it is time to take back the power from the cowards.

There is no need for guns on our streets or in our homes. You donít hear too often that a homeowner shoots and kills a burglar. It is usually the criminal who possesses the gun.

And there is the risk of children accidentally being shot in the home from being curious about a gun. No matter how well you think you hide the key to the gun cabinet, itís not worth the risk.

Is it really that important to own a gun? If there were no more guns, I think we all would feel a lot safer because the criminals would not have the power of a gun over our heads. They would have to rely on their own defense, and they are too cowardly to do so.

A solution for hunters and those who shoot for sport would be to have a place where you would pick your gun up and then bring it back when you are done for the day. It would be regulated and done in the area where the gun is used. You would not be permitted to drive the gun to another point.

Where would the money come from for something like this? To save lives, there would be a way. God knows money is spent on a lot worse things.

This sounds as though we would be giving up our rights, but what we really would be doing is being responsible adults and taking back the power along with protecting our families and children.

I would love to see Altoona be the safe haven it once was. I know this will bring a lot of response from those who own guns and feel they have the right to own them. But as everything else goes in this world today, the bad ruin it for the good.

So if you feel the need to respond or bash this letter, donít direct it to me; direct it to the parents and families of the students and adults who have just lost their loved ones because someone decided to destroy their lives with a gun. My heart goes out to each and everyone of them.

Karen Reilly

Altoona

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TechAlG
May 1, 2007, 02:45 PM
And my response (which I doubt will be published):

Karen Reilly asks “when will enough be enough?” I tend to ask the same question. She goes on to state “if no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly.” While technically correct; we would all be equally defenseless; this statement is flawed. A criminal, who is willing to break laws against murder, assault, robbery, etc. will have no problem breaking one more gun law. We would all be defenseless against those willing to break the laws, who would have no problem accessing guns.

Ms. Reilly goes on to state: “Is it really that important to own a gun? If there were no more guns, I think we would all feel a lot safer because the criminals would not have the power of a gun over our heads. They would have to rely on their own defense, and they are too cowardly to do so.”

I would like to know how Ms. Reilly proposes disarming all the criminals. Are they going to wake up one day and say “Oh, it’s illegal for me to have a gun, so I’ll just go turn it in?”

Ms. Reilly’s statement sounds eerily like one made by Larry Hincker, Virginia Tech spokesman, on January 31, 2006. This statement was made in reference to the Virginia General Assembly voting down a bill which would have allowed Concealed Carry Permit holders to carry a concealed weapon on campus. He said: “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

Truth of the matter is, gun-free zones don’t work, even on a limited basis. This was proven by the tragedy at Virginia Tech. We now have two confirmed reports of students in Norris Hall, who legally were permitted by the State of Virginia to be carrying a concealed weapon; but were threatened with expulsion had they chosen to carry a weapon on school grounds. How would that day have been different if those law-abiding students hadn’t been disarmed by their school?

Ms. Reilly makes another point: “You don’t hear too often that a homeowner shoots and kills a burglar. It is usually the criminal who possesses the gun.” This statement is also technically true, but it is only true because we don’t hear too often about these situations. I blame the media for that. Just in the last two weeks, I have heard of several of these cases.

The first happened in Cleveland, OH, on April 21. A resident was sitting on his own front porch when two juveniles approached, and pulled a gun on him. He drew his weapon, and fired, hitting and killing one of the assailants. The other ran away.

The second happened in Huntsville, AL, on April 30. A man and his roommate were awakened about 3:15 AM when someone was kicking in their front door. One man entered the apartment wearing a mask and carrying a gun. The resident was able to shoot and kill the robber.

Most times, a resident doesn’t even need to fire; just the fact that the resident has a gun and appears willing to use it will make a robber flee to find an easier target.

The common sense solution seems to be having more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens who are trained in their use and safety. I would rather BE safe, than just FEEL safe.

Hoppy590
May 1, 2007, 02:46 PM
ya. as a small guy i take serious exception to this idea
If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly

anyone who believes that looses all credibility

romma
May 1, 2007, 02:51 PM
If guns didn't exist,,, someone would probably come along and invent them...

swingcatt
May 1, 2007, 03:11 PM
I just threw up a little in my mouth after reading that crap.

I just love the way she conveniently writes off the sick and elderly at the beginning, and doesn't explain what to do about them. Obviously, they aren't worthy of the right of protecting themselves.

I also love the way she says if you have any comments about her letter, don't blame her. She wrote it, but it was written for other people, so what she wrote was their fault.

Typical socio-liberal BS.

SC

pax
May 1, 2007, 03:18 PM
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/when-mass-killers-meet-armed-resistance.html

pax

Justin
May 1, 2007, 03:20 PM
If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly

http://www.gun-nuttery.com/oleg/s_wheelchair.jpg


So, throwing the disabled and weak under the bus would make her feel safer? At least she's honest about her requirement for a sacrificial offering.

686S&W
May 1, 2007, 03:22 PM
Gee I wish things were that simple, but they're not Karen.

sm
May 1, 2007, 03:33 PM
So if you feel the need to respond or bash this letter, don’t direct it to me; direct it to the parents and families of the students and adults who have just lost their loved ones because someone decided to destroy their lives with a gun. My heart goes out to each and everyone of them.
- Karen Reilly

My time and energies are better spent passing forward as was passed to me.
instead of replying to Karen Reilly.

Arming others with Education & Knowledge
It may be something as simple as kids being read The Old Man And The Boy by Robert Ruark with life lessons of honesty, integrity, ethics and the realities of life intertwined with the story of a boy and his grandpa.

Utopia by Sir Thomas Moore , Animal Farm, and 1984 by Sir Eric Blair, better known as George Orwell.

Civil Disobedience by Thoreau is a wonderful work.
The Pillars of the Earth by Follett is another favorite of mine.

The Reality is, Evil has always been part of this World, often times using others names such as Tyranny.

One cannot change people, places and things. The only thing a person can do is change themselves.

Evil is not going to be changed. It never will be.
One can accept this, and change themselves to be better armed to deal with Evil, Tyranny , Oppression...

Guns?
They are only one tool in the tool box.
No tool is ever better than user of said tool.

Applicable to firearms, education, knowledge, and living life on life's terms.

Learn to use tools effectively to protect from Evil - I would rather use my time and energies this way , Karen Reilly, thank you very much.


Steve

morcoth
May 1, 2007, 03:38 PM
:fire: Low road comments deleted:fire:

Probabaly not salvagable.

Ill just keep educating those that are capable of rational thought, and hope those like this ........ find a way to move thier bodys into that other dimention thier minds seem to live in.

Morcoth

Rumble
May 1, 2007, 03:39 PM
I did spend some time to reply, although I generally sorta just ignore most folks like this. My reply:


Karen Reilly, of Altoona, writes "...if it is the cowards who are using guns to take precious lives, it is time to take back the power from the cowards."

Ms. Reilly willfully ignores the fact that criminals have no problem disobeying the law. No law is going to compel criminals to set aside their dastardly ways and no restriction on the law-abiding will prevent a criminal from acquiring a gun via illegal means. It is essentially impossible to disarm the criminal element. Instead, those of us who are NOT criminals will be rendered utterly helpless against those who have plenty of experience and a certain willingness to hurt and kill to get their way.

Furthermore, even if by some Potteresque magic all the guns in the world disappeared, from what, exactly, would we be safe? Instead of being killed with a gun, we get to enjoy being strangled or stabbed or bludgeoned. Taking a weapon from a killer doesn't make him a saint--it makes him a killer who'll use a different weapon. Perhaps, though, as long as criminals can only kill one or two people at a time, we could trumpet it as a positive achievement.

Let's be serious here. The absence of guns does not equate to the absence of violence. Violence is something PEOPLE do; banning guns to cure violence is like banning matches to stop house fires.


Maybe a little cliche at the end there, but whatever. I think my favorite part is the mawkish appeal to the memories of the dead in order to deflect accountability for composing a completely illogical and fantasy-based letter.

AJ Dual
May 1, 2007, 04:05 PM
Yep, I suppose if they were still alive, we could ask a couple million Rawandans who were chopped up by machete how they feet about turning in their guns for the "peace process" that predated the genocide?

Sage of Seattle
May 1, 2007, 04:06 PM
Dear Ms. Reilly,

What are you... twelve?

Sincerely,

The Sage

MD_Willington
May 1, 2007, 04:06 PM
Yes get rid of them, send them to me, I will lock them in my concrete vault where they will cause no harm... LOL

EZ CZ75
May 1, 2007, 04:43 PM
If there were no more guns, I think we all would feel a lot safer because the criminals would not have the power of a gun over our heads.

Utopia! Lets all sing and chant harmonious songs.:neener:

One big problem is that utopia/perfection cannot be obtained until everybody either has the same opinion on everything or nobody has any free will or choices to make. I'd rather have the choices to make and face danger than live a life where my choices are made for me. When the right to choose is taken away, so are all the feelings and experiences that make growth possible. Even slaves throughout history chanced certain death for freedom.

Utopia isn't going to happen anytime soon so let me choose to have my guns and take the chance that my children may kill themselves or a felon kill me and my own. I will not sheepishly follow. I have a brain.:cuss:

Crunker1337
May 1, 2007, 04:52 PM
The author is correct about how you don't hear too often about a homeowner killing an invader - because no one wants to hear about it. We want to hear about mass murders and drivebys. We don't want to see good guys win because then we'll get cocky.

DirksterG30
May 1, 2007, 04:58 PM
For safety, get rid of guns... and knives, cigarettes, trans-fats, sharp scissors, alcohol (that didn't work so well), drugs (not going so well either), automobiles, airplanes, tall buildings, swimming pools... where will it end?

MD_Willington
May 1, 2007, 05:05 PM
horses and pointy sticks... bad mojo

MrPeter
May 1, 2007, 05:09 PM
The author of this piece does seem like she is capable of rational thought. The problem is that she just didn't think. How do you suppose we get rid of all guns from criminals and law-abiders alike? Kick down every door in the world? Not likely. Even then, what about the homeless, or the people who store their guns elsewhere? What about zip guns/home made guns?

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. If we could, then we could talk about Karen's letter, but we can't, so every argument she makes is null. She is proposing an impossibility.

To be honest, even if there was a button we could press to make every gun ever made evaporate into a check for how much it was worth to the owner (that way no one would get ticked that they lost their collection, especially if they had a piece that was priceless to them :) ) I wouldn't want to do it. I like my guns. They're fun! :D

And as a response to an earlier post; They actually have effectively made trans-fats illegal to serve in New York City restaurants. The discussion on the absurdity of that will have to happen in another forum though...

MikeH
May 1, 2007, 05:13 PM
Even if no one has guns and any kind of weapon, people with more brawn and/or unarmed combat skills will be more equal than others. So are we going to ban body-building and martial arts next?

romma
May 1, 2007, 05:14 PM
Rubber Rooms and Slip on soft souled shoes for everyone!! I feel safer already.

slow944
May 1, 2007, 05:15 PM
Karen needs to go to "Civilian Gun Self-Defence Blog" if she wishes to read about law abiding citizens defending themselves against criminals. The files there go all the way back to 11/01/2003. Then maybe she'll see how biased the news media really is when it comes to showing the citizens of this great country defending themselves with guns.

TechAlG
May 1, 2007, 05:15 PM
When I first started replying to this letter, I thought about going down the road of "For Safety, Ban Automobiles"

Riz58
May 1, 2007, 05:17 PM
It might be better to point out the results in England. The comment that "we would all be equal defensively" is blatantly false.

In addition to rising gun crime since the ban, England has experienced a rapid increase in daytime home burglaries/breakins since the handgun ban. Two or three thugs simply kick the door in or break-in through the window, clobber the homeowner with a club or other weapon, rob the home, and take off with the loot.

With overpowering physical force, and no "equalizer available", the big bully will win everytime. The history of mankind demonstrates that the criminal element is only deterred by superior force - an enforceable consequence must be available - jail, injury, or death - and without that fear (the risk of being shot by an armed victim, for example) you get post-Katrina New Orleans.

The Unknown User
May 1, 2007, 05:29 PM
Be right back--I need to coat my house with bubble wrap so she'll approve of my house being safe.

greenflash107
May 1, 2007, 05:31 PM
I don't get mad at people like Ms Reilly. They have something wrong with them. To come up with a statement like that means she is not living in the real world. Anyone, and I mean anyone, that believes such a thing would actually bring peace on earth has sunk into a fantasy that no one can bring them out of. Feel sorry for her. She is sick.

Bob M.
May 1, 2007, 05:41 PM
She sounds like Gloria, from that old sitcom "All in the Family". Sally Struthers. What a bubblehead.

Gloria!!! Stifle yerself!!! Hahahahaahaa

MartinBrody
May 1, 2007, 05:43 PM
If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly.

She's either a dope or a female body builder martial arts expert. Maybe her real name is Chuck Norris?

DuncanSA
May 1, 2007, 06:00 PM
Usual old stuff.
I forget where the quote came from but "Lincoln made people free, Sam Colt made them equal" is still relevant.

nelson133
May 1, 2007, 06:14 PM
I replied also. The idea that life was a fuzzy bunny hug before the invention of guns is stupid beyond belief. The large man with a sword or an axe ruled his neighbor, and the individual would find it difficult to defend himself against a group with a club or edged weapon.

Warren
May 1, 2007, 06:21 PM
I think this "gun owners are cowards" meme is gaining strength. The talking points have gone out to the herd. Of course they turn right around and tell us to rely on cops...who by their definition are cowards.

Funny though, if we are cowards and they are willing to fight (as per Boosler) without guns you would think they would have no hesitation in physically coming after us. So it seems guns do act as a deterrent.

If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly.

So in a mass killing situation one need not be able to outrun the killer one just needs to outrun the sick and elderly. Good plan.

Oregon Street
May 1, 2007, 07:28 PM
because i hit one mountain biking two days ago and now can't shoot with my arm in a sling (broken clavicle:( ). trees are scary and dangerous and need to go! and as logic follows, looks like we'll be getting rid of mountain bikes too, because they're scary and dangerous... yet almost as fun as shooting :D

TallPine
May 1, 2007, 07:46 PM
Was this letter a 7th grade writing exercise ...???

My guns must be defective, they haven't hurt anything except a few deer, and some rattlesnakes, gophers, and porcupines, and oh yes - one stray dog that was killing my cats.

Lonestar49
May 1, 2007, 08:02 PM
Quote: For safety, get rid of guns
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Well, since that effort is working out so well, so far, let's include getting rid of War, for safety's sake, as well.

2 wrongs don't make a right, or.. is it 2 rights don't make it wrong :scrutiny: ?


LS

another okie
May 1, 2007, 08:07 PM
I guess there was no violence before firearms were invented.
I guess the Roman Empire was created by diplomacy, and Attila the Hun conquered central Asia by persuasion.

WVleo
May 1, 2007, 08:14 PM
Karen tap your heels together 3 times and Say " Theres no place Like Home " , and when You awake it will be back in Kansas ! ..............WVleo

torpid
May 1, 2007, 08:18 PM
"If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly."
So in a mass killing situation one need not be able to outrun the killer one just needs to outrun the sick and elderly. Good plan.

It's a great plan for herd animals.

Rumble
May 1, 2007, 08:37 PM
or.. is it 2 rights don't make it wrong :scrutiny:?


No, 2 rights make a U-turn.

TCB in TN
May 1, 2007, 09:23 PM
At 6 ft 240 lbs I can say she is wrong! I can also say that after having visited several prisons with an outreach program, I am in the same boat she is. I have met individuals who I (and 2 just like me) are not are not "equal" to. She has obviously never been involved in any type of physical altercation or would never have said such drivel. Truth be told it IS the gun that gives us the ability to be equal. On a semi related note, when I was in high school I was about 5ft 8 and around 140lbs. One of my female friends who WAS into weight lifting had me by about 50 lbs. She was always popping off about how she was the physical equal to "any" man. Well one afternoon in the gym, on the wrestling mat I proved different. I pinned her 4 times in less than 5 minutes. Not bragging on my ability, just on the difference between most men and women. There are a FEW exceptions, but not many.

davhina
May 1, 2007, 09:29 PM
Ban everything so we can all be safe. Can't we all just get along?:D

PistolNewbie
May 1, 2007, 10:05 PM
:what: Mother of god! What the hell is this woman smoking? After reading it three times to make sure my eyes and brain were still working, this is the only conclusion I could come to for such horse sh*t. Thank goodness the first ammandment can be protected by the second because I would gladly fight if necessary to protect her 1st ammendment rights to speak her mind! Could the right to own and bear arms have kept us free for the past 200+ years?

TCB in TN
May 1, 2007, 10:10 PM
Mother of god! What the hell is this woman smoking?

I kinda wondered that as well, and to be honest I think we all need to quit reading it, as I read it again I think I lost 4 or 5 points from my IQ.

freakazoid
May 1, 2007, 10:12 PM
This person makes me sad, :( and so angry at the same time, grrr... :mad:

Sage of Seattle
May 1, 2007, 10:41 PM
or.. is it 2 rights don't make it wrong ?

No, 2 rights make a U-turn.

Actually, two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left. At least, that's my favorite version! :)

Lonestar49
May 1, 2007, 11:23 PM
Quote:
or.. is it 2 rights don't make it wrong ?

No, 2 rights make a U-turn.
...............

By God, you have it .. LMAO

But really, you're right-on, in that, taking away guns, making it harder to own, has only fed the criminal, and taken away the protection of the honest.

And, rather than make MORE gun laws, that don't work, rather, do more harm than good, you're right, our Governments, State, and Local, need to make a U-Turn, and apply just the opposite. LESS LAWS/RESTRICTION, more guns for the honest, law abiding citizens..

IT will work..


LS

jhco50
May 1, 2007, 11:46 PM
You know, I could go through all of the pros of gun ownership, but at my age I have discovered that if some one is as ignorant as Karen, it would do no good. She is one of those people who think they have an answer to everyting in life, when in reality she doesn't have the ability to take care of herself if she needed to.

I have met many people like her and when they are in trouble who do they run to? People like us, the survivors of life. Karen, your family will someday suffer because of your ignorance. I'm sorry, but You should be thinking of the welfare of your children instead of daydreaming about something you have no knowledge about. Please put a sign in your window that says your house does not have weapons of any kind. Let us know how that works out.:fire:

cutter172
May 2, 2007, 12:16 AM
We should ban the drinking of water too. Apparently, if you "super hydrate" yourself, you will die. I saw a news story about a mother convicted of some sort of homicide charge for forcing her daughter to drink like 2 gallons of water in a day. The daughter died. The coroner determined that the water killed her.
Seriously, this lady has a great idea! We need to build a Utopian society. Of course, in a Utopian society, firearms could be safely owned and used because nobody would desire or feel the need to use them for evil. Also, human nature prevents the formation of a Utopian society.

The Canuck
May 2, 2007, 12:23 AM
Why don't we suggest everything West of Illinois be a free-gun zone and everything east of that point be a no-gun zone. Give everybody time to move to thier preferred corners and wait five years then see which part of North America is a hole and which is free?

This lady has a big set of utopian blinders on in my opinion. She cries about guns and those who hold them are described by her as cowards. That offends me. It should also offend every man and woman who has volunteered to serve thier country armed services or emergency services. I have found that the brave are the ones who are willing to do the work and face the threat head on instead of hoping somebody else will do it for them, in her case, the "cowardly" LEOs. She basically just told the whole world that she thinks the planet would be better if we subscribed to a passive/aggressive dysfuncion, well at least from where I stand.

How's that saying go?

Oh yeah...

"9-1-1, when seconds count, help is only minutes away".

As for the removal of all guns... Yeah, no. I studied German Longsword. Give me a sword and you'll need a gun to stop me. Take away swords and I'll just make another. Or I'll just build a high pressure air gun, or even a normal gun when I have my home chemistry set up and running.

jeepmor
May 2, 2007, 12:28 AM
millions of dead jews, rwandans, and russians might not agree.

Lonestar49
May 2, 2007, 12:47 AM
Quote:

We should ban the drinking of water too. Apparently, if you "super hydrate" yourself, you will die.
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...

Actually, between water or Booze, I'd vote for banning booze, even though, I know that there are responsible drinkers among us, BUT.. That stuff is causing more injuries, deaths, heartaches, health issues, and senseless deaths of young, med and old, along with: well, as the old story goes:

Put a 1000 people in a room, let them drink, and when they open the doors, have the PD there, ambulances too, as there will be plenty of fights, and injury's coming out..

Put a 1000 people in a room and let them smoke Pot, and when you open the doors, they'll come out laughing and, they've got the mad munchies, and are in need of a fast food restaurant..

Now, I'm not endorsing either, to be fair, but Alcohol, causes more pain, grief, innocent deaths and injuries, than all the guns in our nation, far more, and continues, because it's Legal, but we all know, how that goes with so many, once they leave a party, bar, and get into a car..

Seems only logical, if they're gonna keep on trying to take away legal guns, then where is the logic of not doing something about booze and people, and the deaths and injury they cause, in the 10,000's every freakin day throughout the USA ?

My close is simply, what is more dangerous? Putting a legal gun in sober hand, or:

Putting a bottle/or drink in a sober hand?

my 2 cents


LS

ReadyontheRight
May 2, 2007, 12:53 AM
If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly

So, she wants defense to be EQUAL to violent offense?

Sickening tripe.

ripcurlksm
May 2, 2007, 01:34 AM
thanks for posting that pax

Run&Shoot
May 2, 2007, 01:48 AM
I have made an all out effort to rid guns from the shelves of the local gun shops, but my wallet has run dry for now.

It doesn't work. Resistance is futile. They get replaced the next week. :banghead:

But, I am not surrendering. i will fight the good fight and return to the gunshop as many times as I can to rid the evil things from public display. We shall overcome! :D

Old Fuff
May 2, 2007, 02:02 AM
Bring the young lady down to southeast Arizona, and set her up (pun intended), gunless of course, in a house out in the sticks about 2 miles from the border. Preferably this will be near a popular crossing point. If she survives she'll have a change of perspective within a very short time. :evil:

Davo
May 2, 2007, 02:43 AM
So THIS is how soccer moms think!...hope she gets the opening on The View.

Chrontius
May 2, 2007, 03:35 AM
if every one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense, even the sickly and elderly.
Fixed.

And dude, ***. I'm 6' and 135 pounds. I couldn't fight my way out of a wet paper bag.

There is a need for guns on our streets or in our homes. You donít hear too often that a homeowner shoots and kills a burglar. Despite this, it is usually not the criminal who possesses the gun.
Fixed.

Is it really that important to own a gun? If there were no more guns, I think we all would not feel a lot safer because the criminals would not have the worry of a gun in our hands. We would have to rely on their own defense, and I am too shrimpy to do so.
Fixed.

I would love to see Altoona be the safe haven it once was. I know this will bring a lot of response from those who own guns and feel they have the right to own them. But as everything else goes in this world today, the bad ruin it for the good.
If interpreted sarcastically, this doesn't even need fixing. [awe]

Old Fuff
May 2, 2007, 11:05 AM
Note to Old Fluff:
I thought the entire SouthEast sector of Arizona was a popular crossing point.

Now how could you come to a silly conclusion like that??

Illegal Border activity jumps

02:52 PM Mountain Standard Time on Sunday, April 8, 2007
By The Associated Press

BISBEE, Ariz. (AP) -- After nearly two years of declining numbers, authorities say illegal border-crossings took a sudden jump last month in Cochise County.

The Border Patrol says agents at the Naco, Douglas and Willcox stations captured more than 13,000 illegal immigrants last month.

That's a 30 percent increase from March 2006.

Before the spike, Border Patrol apprehensions in the county were down 13 percent since October 1.

Bisbee Police Sergeant Taron Maddux says warmer springtime temperatures were affecting local immigration flow.

Maddux also suspects that human smugglers who were pushed out of the area two or three years ago by a Border Patrol buildup are returning for another try.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews20070408_border.1f25ef5.html


Undoubtedly the young lady in question has led a sheltered life, and never found 75 to a 100 strangers in her back yard late at night... :uhoh: :D

fletcher
May 2, 2007, 11:07 AM
If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly.

Wow.

#shooter
May 2, 2007, 11:49 AM
If no one had a gun, we would be equal in our defense with the exception of the sickly and elderly.

God created mankind, but Sam Colt made them equal.

Deanimator
May 2, 2007, 02:04 PM
At 6 ft 240 lbs I can say she is wrong! I can also say that after having visited several prisons with an outreach program, I am in the same boat she is. I have met individuals who I (and 2 just like me) are not are not "equal" to. She has obviously never been involved in any type of physical altercation or would never have said such drivel.
See my signature.

As I'm fond of saying to such ninnies, "Xena, Warrior Princess is NOT a documentary."

Koos Custodiet
May 2, 2007, 05:30 PM
It is usually the criminal who possesses the gun.

And therefore it's an *excellent* idea to make a law against criminals having guns.

Sheesh, some people have *no* sense.

*spit* and :banghead:

Koos

Teufelhunden
May 2, 2007, 07:29 PM
But as everything else goes in this world today, the bad ruin it for the good.

But as everything else goes inmy utopian world today, the bad make it easier to trample rights so we can feel better.

There, fixed that for ya... :rolleyes:

-Teuf

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