Does anyone have a convicted felon as a family member and a firearms issue?


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PistolNewbie
May 1, 2007, 11:22 PM
Does anybody have an adult family member who is a convicted felon, has lived in your home and you own firearms? :eek: We have had to deal with this nightmare and it is my understanding they cannot even be in a home where there are firearms present. We entrusted the guns to a neighbor while he was staying with us. I don't have a gun safe. :fire:

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dralarms
May 1, 2007, 11:27 PM
My only advise is get a dang gun safe. Come on man. I don't know how many you have but 1 is too many to leave un protected if you have to leave it home. Even a sports box with a digital combo is better than nothing.

Oregon Street
May 1, 2007, 11:32 PM
Get a safe now. I just spent $1k on a new heritage. and that is dough i do not have. but i'm leaving for 2 weeks and my builder is doing some punch list stuff for me while i'm away. he's a felon from some shady business deal (read: non-violent) but a criminal. but i don't care if the pope is going to house sit for me, he isn't going to have access to my collection.

lock 'em up even if you don't have a felon in the fam.

skinnyguy
May 1, 2007, 11:39 PM
To keep this High Road, I will simply say this. I have one cousin who is a convicted felon. To have him stay with me is not within the realms of possibilities, and the items I own have nothing at all to do with my decision.

He is not welcome in my home.

Geno
May 1, 2007, 11:40 PM
No. I believe that the gun laws vary state-to-state. Example, until recently, felons in Texas could have firearms. I think that recently changed. Maybe the change was federal.

Get yourself a vault. Get your gun back; lock it up.

Rembrandt
May 1, 2007, 11:44 PM
Funny you'd bring this up....I suspect a lot of archery hunters have had previous felony convictions. Never seen a group as a whole that get all ruffled about gun hunters like they do. When you start questioning why the anymosity, some get real funny about why they don't gun hunt....probably hiding a checkered past.

(P.S., don't have an axe to grind with archery, I hunt with bow and gun)

PistolNewbie
May 2, 2007, 12:47 AM
The family member is our son. When he was with us after serving a state charge, the parole officer led us to believe that you couldn't even have guns on the premesis so we entrusted them to our neighbor in the condo next door and he locked them in his gun safe. I was under the impression that even if I would have had a safe, that still wouldn't have been good enough. I did not want to take any chances of being in violation of the law. The sad part of all this is how an entire family can suffer for another person's crime. This is a story that would fill volumes--trust me!

Byron Quick
May 2, 2007, 12:55 AM
I believe that all that is necessary is that the firearms not be under the control of the felon but check with an attorney in your state or your state code which should be available on the state website.

Ex-MA Hole
May 2, 2007, 10:23 AM
I was always under the same impression as Byron- that they can not be under his control.

Look at it like this- if you are out to lunch and a felon is also there, do you need to leave? Do you need to ask all of the patrons if they are felons? Do you need to interview all dinner guests to make sure that they have a clean record before letting them into your home?

Personally, I'd get a safe and lock them up. Then again, I'd get a safe regardless....

taliv
May 2, 2007, 10:55 AM
my felon-in-law has a few more years to go before he gets out. odds of him living with me temporarily are slim, but not outside the realm of possibility. and since his crime involved shooting police officers, they're probably not going to be too keen on him being around firearms for a while.

Mannlicher
May 2, 2007, 11:30 AM
Other than my Great Grandfather that shot two Union Troopers at the family farm right after the Civil War, I can't think of any criminal's on either side of my family back over 250 years.

CajunBass
May 2, 2007, 11:37 AM
Funny you'd bring this up....I suspect a lot of archery hunters have had previous felony convictions. Never seen a group as a whole that get all ruffled about gun hunters like they do. When you start questioning why the anymosity, some get real funny about why they don't gun hunt....probably hiding a checkered past.

My ex-wifes cousin is one of them. About 20 years ago he took up breaking and entering for fun and profit. Got caught when he found the lady of the house was at home after all. And she was at the top of the stairs with a shotgun that he describes as being "about the size of a sewer pipe."

He did his time, got out, went straight, and now owns his own business. He said the thing he misses worse is being able to own a gun for hunting, but he said "I did it. I gotta pay for it. Nobody to blame but me."

He does love to bowhunt though.

MD_Willington
May 2, 2007, 11:44 AM
My brother, but he's not allowed to enter the USA...

exar
May 2, 2007, 11:46 AM
Funny you'd bring this up....I suspect a lot of archery hunters have had previous felony convictions

Yep. I got a couple buddies that I used to shoot with as a kid and teenager. They can no longer touch a gun because of their convictions. We all bow hunted before, but that's their only option now.

Nitrogen
May 2, 2007, 11:59 AM
Interesting barely related trivia:
Now you know why the Duke boys from the Dukes of Hazzard used those exploding arrows; they were felons, and on probation for running moonshine.

Ala Dan
May 2, 2007, 12:08 PM
Nope, Thank GOD~! ;) :D

ilbob
May 2, 2007, 12:19 PM
When he was with us after serving a state charge, the parole officer led us to believe that you couldn't even have guns on the premesis

It is not unusual for conditions of parole to be stricter than what the laws minimally require. You might be able to chat with his parole officer and come to some reasonable solution to your problem. I would bet at a minimum the PO is going to want to make sure that no firearm is ever anywhere the felon can touch it while the felon is living in your home.

SSN Vet
May 2, 2007, 01:06 PM
Funny you'd bring this up....I suspect a lot of archery hunters have had previous felony convictions

Yup....I have a BIL and know the cousin of another BIL who fall into this catagory.

Funny thing is....they're both great guys.

I would not hesitate for a moment to trust my life, or the life of my family in the hands of my BIL.

Leopords can't change their spots.....but the one who created leapords can!

Zenas
May 2, 2007, 05:39 PM
This probably won't help much, but the law in Louisiana makes it a crime for a felon to own, possess, or operate a gun. However, our Supreme Court made an exception in the case of a felon who uses someone else's gun in self-defense.

The case arose from a felon who was living with a relative. Some local teenagers were harassing the felon and the relative. Then the teenagers drew weapons prompting the felon to wield the relative's shotgun in self-defense and in defense of a third party. The felon was arrested after the incident and then convicted for possession by a felon. He appealed.

While the statute technically made this a crime, the Louisiana Supreme Court overruled the conviction as an absurd result and finding that the legislature could by no means have meant to take the felon's right to self-defense from him. So long as the felon put the gun down after the need diminished, he would not be found in violation.

Also, the ownership of the gun by the relative, the homeowner, would not be a problem with the felon living there.

This is how the law works in Louisiana and I think it's reasonable. It may be similar in your State (or quite different).

vis--vis
May 2, 2007, 06:05 PM
My older sisters' boyfriend is a repeat felon. When I was an auxiliary officer we used to talk about him. He was the city badboy, a suspect of homicide investigation that cannot be proven and he is a fighter. No less than 3 officers are present anytime they have to talk with him, which according to my mother, is about once a month.

I don't trust him, but I have never had an incident with him personally. My sister has a tendancy to pick real winners. I remember my Dad punching the lights out of one of them when I was 12, lol. That one liked B&E and Burglary.

lucky_fool
May 2, 2007, 06:13 PM
(P.S., don't have an axe to grind with archery, I hunt with bow and gun)

Your range and accuracy must be terrible.


You'd probably do better with bow and arrow. :evil:

akodo
May 2, 2007, 07:12 PM
I've got mixed feelings on this one.

First and formost I believe we let way to many people out of jail way to early, but let's put that aside for a minute

I have a real problem with someone who is a violent felon out of jail being able to say to the police/probation officer/whoever "That's not my gun, that is my Mom's gun!" It is too convenient for them to hide their ownership by claiming it belongs to someone who won't tell the truth because of fear, love, or some misguided loyalty.

Also, while it may not be illegal for YOU, it may be illegal for him, or it may violate the terms of his parol.

Now, there is a big difference between a convicted felon entering a home for a visit, whatever, and there are guns there, and keeping guns at what is basically the felon's perminant address is entirely different

Further, we talk about personal responsibility, sheeple being ignorant to reality, etc etc. A fact of life is that you frequently must make tough choices, sometimes unfair choices. I think right now you are facing a tough choice, of being willing to give up a tool for self defence for a short period while the son finds a dwelling of his own, or tell son he cannot stay there.

Finally, while many criminals would have turned out the way they did with the absolute best parenting possible, many criminals actually had been parented (or lack their of) in a way that increase the likelyhood of them becoming criminal. Now, this in no way reduces the personal culpability of the criminal, but to be brutally honest, I don't know you from Adam, except that you raised a criminal. Now, it may not have a whit to do with you, but it may. Until I know better, I consider your instincts and ability to read people circumspect, this son may not be as you believe him to be.


Now, for my experience with felons and guns. I had an uncle, who in his youth was quite a partier. Other than being caught drunk, and spending the night in jail once, he had no runnins with the law, but did have a period of time he spent with a chaotic drunk unsavory woman, and they had a kid together. They seperate, mother raises kid...poorly. Something happens and mom is no longer able to raise kid, so she gets sent off to live with her dad. Now, he has almost no parenting experience, and gets a troubled teen thrown in his lap. Basically he had not the skills to redirect her in a more positive light. Yadda Yadda....age 17 she runs off, and has a long list of thug boyfriends. Gets pregnant by one, he commits some felony, of which I don;'t know what, ends up in jail. After about 3 years he gets out and reappears in her life.

Now, this uncle viewed my brother and I akin to the sons he never had. One activity we would do together every thanksgiving was to go out shooting. From these trips, I know he had a remington 12 guage semi-auto, 16 guage sidebyside, 20 guage over/under, .22 magnum revolver 4". He talked about bringing out a snub 38 revolver, but it was quite old, and only took 38 longs, not regular 38 specials, and he had no ammo for it.

So about 2 years ago uncle dies of heart attack. Daughter, grandson, and thug felon boyfriend move into home. Because of his felon past, they cannot keep the guns in the home. So the guns are given to my father to keep for the grandson (his grandnephew) BUT....the guns are only the 16 guage and the 20 guage, and the 22mag revolver. I suspect the other two were more desireable from the eyes of a criminal (who don't realize it is a 38 S&W not 38 special) and taht they were either sold to some unsavory element, or were kept illegally.

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