Cruise ships and guns?


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PILMAN
May 2, 2007, 03:27 PM
I'm planning on going on a cruise through Royal Carribean. Are there any restrictions taking a handgun along?

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Mannix
May 2, 2007, 03:31 PM
That'd be a no go.
Weapons, Explosives or Other Dangerous Items
No weapon, explosive, or other item that presents a risk of harm to persons or property, are permitted
onboard. They will be confiscated and appropriate action taken. Items such as dive knives must be
reported to ship’s personnel at embarkation. They may be permitted on-board, but held in safe custody
by the ship's Security staff when not in use ashore.
http://www.royalcaribbean.com/content/pdf/Guest_Conduct_Policy.pdf

From what I understand security is pretty tight, too. Metal detectors, x-ray machines, even computers running facial recognition software hooked up to the cameras.

trueblue1776
May 2, 2007, 03:33 PM
yes, don't. It is treated as an airport these days. The ISPS code applies to those ships, if you did get it on board and someone found out, there would be black helicopters if you get my drift.

SoCalShooter
May 2, 2007, 03:34 PM
I am taking a Princess crusie around Alaska. Definetly no weapons. Anyone know about multi tools? like my leatherman wave?

silliman89
May 2, 2007, 03:35 PM
I seem to recall a metal detector on the gangplank.

IllHunter
May 2, 2007, 03:40 PM
I took my shotguns as they allowed clay pigeon shooting from the fantail. I did have to declare them and they took them until shooting time, but that ain't the same as having security at hand.:mad:

Mannix
May 2, 2007, 03:42 PM
I am taking a Princess crusie around Alaska. Definetly no weapons. Anyone know about multi tools? like my leatherman wave?

I would seriously doubt it, though they might let you have it on excursions, but they would keep lit locked up while you are aboard the ship.

Princess also prides itself on applicable maritime security regulations designed to safeguard each and every voyage. All passengers are required to submit their names and personal data to Princess prior to embarkation and are also asked to leave any questionable items at home. No weapons or articles which could be used as weapons will be allowed onboard and all passengers and luggage/carry-on items are subject to screening prior to boarding the ship. Princess strives to ensure that every passenger experiences a comfortable and worryfree vacation.

http://www.princess.com/answer/ready.html

PILMAN
May 2, 2007, 03:46 PM
I guess that would include knifes being dangerous, ah well. Any suggestions what I could take along for self defense purposes? I'm not too worried of problems on board the ship but rather some of the islands that I would be traveling to. Last time I went to Jamaica, lets just say I would have preferred to have some kind of weapon with me.

WeThePeople
May 2, 2007, 03:54 PM
PILMAN:

Jamaican customs didn't blink when they found my dive knife attached to my buoyancy compensator. They didn't seem to care that my belt sheath was in the same bag. 1+1=self defense.

River Wraith
May 2, 2007, 07:03 PM
Damn, it's getting to the point that one should just stay home.

todd740
May 2, 2007, 07:23 PM
I'm with you River Wraith...

LawBot5000
May 2, 2007, 07:40 PM
I'm thinking there would be a market in golden gun type weapons that could be disassmebled into innocuous looking objects and then reassembled once past security.

I have been trying to think of a way to make a pocketwatch gun with an internal rotary magazine.

TallPine
May 2, 2007, 09:19 PM
it's getting to the point that one should just stay home
Or at least very close to home. ;)

I would at least want a knife along in case I was shipwrecked on a deserted island. :)

Shovelhead
May 2, 2007, 09:54 PM
I took one of these aboard a Celebrity Cruise lines to the Caribbean two years ago.

http://www.jaysknives.com/gerber/ridgemoneyclip.jpg

They asked if I was carrying a knife, I showed them my money clip, they gave it back and said "No we ment a REAL knife. :evil:

AJAX22
May 3, 2007, 01:00 AM
I brought a sharpening stone in my luggage. steak knives came with room service. (I was on princess cruise lines)

Phaetos
May 3, 2007, 02:06 AM
I guess all this explains why people suddenly go missing on cruises lately, half the passengers get deathly sick, or new wives/husbands get beaten and found on deck or not found at all. Cruises aren't even safe anymore ... :barf:

Linda
May 3, 2007, 09:02 AM
You need to remember, when you're in Port or within 12 miles of the coast, your in another country. Few other countries are going to allow firearms into their ports.

SWMAN
May 3, 2007, 09:15 AM
If they catch you with a weapon on board they make you walk the plank at shark feeding time!

sansone
May 3, 2007, 09:25 AM
don't do it, leave the gun home. my employer flew me to cuba to fix a broken US plane(years ago). had a tiny .25 in my toolbox that I forgot about. while scraping knuckles on the plane motor a cuban spotted the gun in my toolbox and within minutes I had 4 communist battleguns pointing at me. they started yelling at me in spanish and I couldn't tell if they wanted me to climb down or stand still. a nearby cuban pilot talked them into taking the gun and let me fix the plane. they agreed but 2 cuban mp's stood watch over me (3hrs)

ceetee
May 3, 2007, 10:16 AM
I've been on several cruises, and each time I've had smallish multi-tools, pepper sprays, and pocket knives packed away in my checked luggage. Nobody asked, so I never told. I've never had any trouble over them, but YMMV. Keep in mind also that you'll have a room steward in your cabin three or four times a day, making beds, tidying up, changing linens, etc. If the cruise line has any smarts (and I'm pretty sure they do), one of the cabin attendant's duties will be to go through your stuff looking for bombs and guns.

delta53
May 3, 2007, 10:30 AM
Bring a box cutter at least it will be a even fight:evil:

PILMAN
May 3, 2007, 11:22 AM
Would bringing along a pocket knife be against the policy on the cruise ship or would it be ok?

HiWayMan
May 3, 2007, 12:56 PM
As said before, steak knives come with dinner. Enough said.........

Psssniper
May 3, 2007, 01:41 PM
With about 56 days of cruising experience under my belt here's what I learned.

1)Put a couple bottles of your favorite adult beverage in your luggage. I usually bring tequila, saves lots of money. :)

2)Toss your carry knife into your checked baggage also, do not carry it on yourself.

3)I have always carried a knife usually an Emerson Commander or a CR Sebenza while on the ship, nobody noticed or cared.

4)At ports 'o call getting the knife off the ship is easy, getting it back on is a little more difficult but I did manage to accomplish this numerous times on one trip even with the metal detectors. (Wouldn't recommend this but it became a game to me on that trip).

5)They didn't seem to care a bit about leatherman type tools.

6)You guys really carry a dining room steak knife with you?? :D

scbair
May 3, 2007, 03:21 PM
I know a cruise is a dream of a lotta folks, but a totally disarmed population in a confined "zone" surrounded by the world's largest moat seems to me more like a ...


TRAP!!:eek:

Signed,
SC "Landlubber" Bair

Heavy Metal Hero
May 3, 2007, 03:34 PM
I know a cruise is a dream of a lotta folks, but a totally disarmed population in a confined "zone" surrounded by the world's largest moat seems to me more like a ...


TRAP!!

I will take my chances at the end of this month....I am not that paranoid.

The Amigo
May 4, 2007, 12:30 AM
Big nono if you get caught you will be having a hard time. You have a right to defend yourself in America but a cruise ship is not US Soil its a foreign flagged ship so they have to obey by whats called ISPS International ship and ports facility security code. Cruise ships are being looked at closely now by homeland security due to being a big target with lots of people (terrorist wise)

Let me tell you a real story since I work for DHS.

Grandma decides to go in a cruise, Grandma puts here baggage and checks it on board. Grandma forgets that she had a gun in her suitcase that here son gave her for protection while traveling somewhere else. Cruise ship security randomly x rays her baggage (cruise ship industry policy after 911) and finds gun, Grandma gets pulled off cruise ship to be questioned.

Cruise ship company calls in to report whats called a security breech. FBI and Coast Guard gets informed when security breaches happen in the US. While grandma gets interrogated about why she has a gun By FBI and US Coast Guard, Cruise ship departs for 7 days. Grandma is pissed now. And guess what no refund for Grandma because cruise ship company clearly states in their brochure and Net site no guns on board. Bad day for Grandma:cuss:

Do you really want all that headache?

MikeyLikesIt
May 4, 2007, 12:55 AM
1)Put a couple bottles of your favorite adult beverage in your luggage. I usually bring tequila, saves lots of money.

The long shoreman at San Pedro broke a 21 year old bottle of scotch, carry on for me from now on with the wine.

scbair
May 4, 2007, 09:31 AM
Heavy Metal Hero stated: "I will take my chances at the end of this month....I am not that paranoid."

I'm not exactly paranoid, either; I go about my daily life, prepared to handle circumstances as they arise, to the best of my ability.

I regard a cruise in the same light as unnecessary air travel; the benefits aren't worth the inconvenience. ;)

Thin Black Line
May 4, 2007, 10:15 AM
You need to remember, when you're in Port or within 12 miles of the coast, your in another country. Few other countries are going to allow firearms into their ports.

+1. BTW, did anyone catch the show a couple months ago on modern pirates?
There was a cruise ship attacked by Somali pirates wielding RPGs. This was
around 90 miles(?) off the Somali coast. The cruise ship used a non-lethal
weapon to stop the attack.

When I went to a small US island last year (from the US coast) it was stated
somewhere on the wall in small print that no weapons were allowed on board
since it was a common carrier. We were no where near Somalia.....

Geister
May 4, 2007, 02:28 PM
I will take my chances at the end of this month....I am not that paranoid.

Being paranoid has nothing to do with it.

Albatross
May 4, 2007, 03:00 PM
Can't tell you about the Caribbean, but I have worked with tourists off the cruise ships in Alaska for the better part of a decade and there aren't any metal detectors anywhere that I've ever seen.

Unless they have metal detectors set up somewhere inside the boat they don't have them.

ialevy
May 4, 2007, 03:04 PM
They are inside the boat. As you step offf the gangway, you have them scan your ID, then go throgh metal detectors and your carry ons go through X-Ray. They took my dive knife, I was able to retrieve it when I went off the ship, but security took it back when I cam back on.

The Amigo
May 4, 2007, 06:15 PM
All cruises out of the US have metal detectors now mostly by the gangway as you board or disembark.

Heavy Metal Hero
May 6, 2007, 05:44 PM
Being paranoid has nothing to do with it.

Well it is when you cant even go on a cruise to enjoy yourself. I bet you aren't nearly as paranoid when you drive your car to the local grocery store, even though your chances of being seriously hurt or seriously dead are a lot higher.

Being prepared and aware is one thing, being paranoid is another.

That being said...


I'm not exactly paranoid, either; I go about my daily life, prepared to handle circumstances as they arise, to the best of my ability.

I regard a cruise in the same light as unnecessary air travel.

That is a little harsh. ;)

Moondancer
May 6, 2007, 11:29 PM
We took a Royal Caribbean cruise last April (that's '06). Flew into San Juan, PR and boarded the ship there. Stops in Aruba, Curacao, St. Marteen, and St. Thomas. The pre-boarding package we received had the "No Weapons" statement quoted above and IIRC there was another FAQ that said knives were not allowed either.

I typically have a knife on me at all times.

I packed (in my checked bag) an older Cold Steel tanto-point mid-sized Voyager. It was scary sharp and something that I had no emotional attachment to, i.e. if I had to lose it, I wouldn't miss it.

Going into port, I had it in a fanny-pack. Boarding the ship, the fanny-pack went through the scanner every time. Nobody ever looked at it twice. Again, I was prepared to say something along the lines of "Dang, I didn't realize I couldn't have a knife. Here, you take it. I don't want any problems."

I still have it. YMMV, as always.

American By Blood
May 6, 2007, 11:52 PM
Not a serious suggestion, but a possibility nonetheless:

At every gun show there's at least one table manned by some unfortunate soul who, having had a little too much to drink one night, ordered the "change your life and start your own business" lot of 100+ knives from the "Knife Show" on QVC or the Home Shopping Channel or whatever.

Invariably, these knives are cheap, Chinese, and virtually impossible to offload on end-users for more than five bucks.

Check your cruise itinerary and count the ports of call. With this information in hand head to the next gun show in your area and make the above-mentioned poor bastard's day by purchasing a knife for each time you will be leaving the ship. You'll likely get a volume discount, a kiss, and the vendor's firstborn.

When cruise time rolls around pack the blades in your checked baggage.

Now you never have to leave the ship unarmed and you can quietly dispose of your knife every time you return to the ship, thus circumventing defenselessness and the metal detectors.

As an added bonus, in case of terrorism or piracy you'll have a make-shift arsenal with which to arm a number of able-bodied males among the passengers.

Coronach
May 6, 2007, 11:52 PM
6)You guys really carry a dining room steak knife with you??Why not? As a police officer, I can say that I have seen a lot more people killed or seriously injured with steak knives than I have with "proper" fighting knives. Sure, they're used because they're cheap and available, but they work.

They lack a lot in the durability department, but they'll work just fine for a stabbing/cutting, either offense or defense. Not my first choice, but if it was what I had...

*shrug*

A cane (and the skill to use it) would be even better, though. Not only can you carry it everywhere ("I have a bad knee. You wouldn't discriminate against the disabled, would you?"), but it gives you reach. You can easily kill someone with a good cane.

Mike

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