Women and Guns - Amy Stein


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ZeSpectre
May 3, 2007, 12:25 PM
http://www.amysteinphoto.com/womenandguns.html

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DDrake
May 3, 2007, 01:31 PM
What the hell is that little girl holding in picture 8?

Jimmie
May 3, 2007, 01:35 PM
heart?

Sistema1927
May 3, 2007, 01:42 PM
Did anyone else notice that the rifle in #1 doesn't have any sights? I wonder if it is a new pruchase awaiting a scope?

ZeSpectre
May 3, 2007, 01:58 PM
What the hell is that little girl holding in picture 8?
yup, looks like a heart to me.

pax
May 3, 2007, 02:21 PM
Pretty lighting, but her models don't have any life to them. They all look solemn and unhappy and static rather than active. Not much appeals.

pax

FieroCDSP
May 3, 2007, 02:50 PM
I found pict 7 interseting. All kinds of handguns hangin loose on the wall and the eye protection locked down in the glass case. We need more protection from protective eyewear. It's for the children!!! :D

rmurfster
May 3, 2007, 03:28 PM
Well, judging from her blog entry on Tuesday, May 01, 2007, titled, "Mission Accomplished", she probably didn't make those pictures to give to Oleg for pro-2nd Amendment posters :scrutiny:

http://amysteinphoto.blogspot.com/

pax
May 3, 2007, 03:54 PM
Hmmm? Being against the war in Iraq makes her anti-RKBA?

:confused:

pax

ilbob
May 3, 2007, 04:06 PM
Hmmm? Being against the war in Iraq makes her anti-RKBA?
Not automatically, but its a good bet.

GEM
May 3, 2007, 04:10 PM
You lose on that conjecture. Ask around. The gun forums are full of folks who think the Iraq war was a mistake and are progun, pro-American, anti-terrorist. They aren't pro-stupid strategic mistakes.

sfhogman
May 3, 2007, 04:16 PM
I have to agree with Pax on the static feel. Of course, it's just possible that Oleg has spoiled me!

Jeff

rmurfster
May 3, 2007, 04:53 PM
The gun forums are full of folks who think the Iraq war was a mistake and are progun, pro-American, anti-terrorist. They aren't pro-stupid strategic mistakes.Agreed. I have many close friends who are against the war in Iraq and still very pro-gun, pro-2nd Amendment. Honestly, from a Constitutional perspective, I'm not sure what I would do...

However, since it was mostly the liberal media that was pushing that picture around, I still place my money on her being anti-gun :neener:

ilbob
May 3, 2007, 05:28 PM
You lose on that conjecture. Ask around. The gun forums are full of folks who think the Iraq war was a mistake and are progun, pro-American, anti-terrorist. They aren't pro-stupid strategic mistakes.

I would bet not. My guess is those who oppose the war are more strident about it than those who either do not oppose it or support it.

What makes you think it was a strategic mistake? Because the war lasted longer than 100 hours? Because Nancy Pelosi says so?

whited
May 3, 2007, 05:35 PM
Very odd pics on that page. The women/girls either look utterly disinterested
and staged, or like a deer-in-the-headlights.

And what is with pics 5 and 6 ?

:uhoh: :scrutiny:

A question about the war/rkba thing developing here: Can anyone tell me
why support for the Iraq "war" and support for rkba should go together ?

seeker_two
May 3, 2007, 05:57 PM
OK....but maybe Oleg could give her a few pointers.


BTW, could anyone get the "Halloween in Harlem" link to work? I really wanted to see that....it looked so safe and PC.... :rolleyes:

Justin
May 3, 2007, 07:20 PM
Instead of conjecturing and projecting what you think her views on private gun ownership are, you could always email and ask.

:rolleyes:

That said, some of her stuff is quite nice. The pic on her blog of the guy with the tipped over charcoal grill is great.

kevin davis
May 3, 2007, 08:23 PM
picture 8 definitely contains a deer heart in the girls hand. i wonder if she is thinking "yukk!!":D the images are fairly static and do not flow well. i am not sure a rifle outside the outhouse will be of much help when the #### hits the fan:neener:

Barbara
May 3, 2007, 08:34 PM
I like that they show actual women and not fantasy gun babes. :)

I think the one of the little girl with the deer heart is really cool, actually.

Blackfork
May 3, 2007, 11:22 PM
-who exhibits often with pieces in major museums and collections.

She's building an impressive resume but her work leaves me cool. Oleg has a lot more heart and soul as WELL as composition. In fact, that's what's missing. Heart, soul and connection. I don't think she understands women OR shooting and the photos just don't teach us anything visually or emotionally.

It looks and feels like a portfolio done over a long weekend by a student.

Guy B. Meredith
May 4, 2007, 03:05 AM
The appearance is just stylistic. Check out her other sequences.

She has most of her subjects looking into the camera, some dramatic lighting and some tendency to not compose around the main subject (outhouse, truck under cloudy sky, van under overpass, car on curve in front of village scape).

vis--vis
May 4, 2007, 07:05 AM
I looked through the albums and was bored to death. I did like the kid dressed as kermit though.

Legionnaire
May 4, 2007, 07:54 AM
My favorite, from the "domesticated" series:

http://www.amysteinphoto.com/domesticated13.html

ZeSpectre
May 4, 2007, 10:43 AM
I witheld comments in my origional post because I didn't want to influence anyone else right off the bat. Now I feel safe to comment :) I also felt a lot of the "women and guns" segment was very static and wondered how much was staged. #5 and #6 (blood and dead deer presumably from the same hunt) didn't feel connected to the rest of the series. I actually liked #8 for the "matter of fact" feel to it. It's not glorifying hunting, it's not denegrating hunting, it's just showing some of the "facts of life".

I enjoyed "Halloween in Harlem" (http://www.amysteinphoto.com/halloween.html) but my favorite photos are definitely the "Domesticated" (http://www.amysteinphoto.com/domesticated.html) series.

The "Stranded" (http://www.amysteinphoto.com/stranded.html) series left me cold except for this photo (http://www.amysteinphoto.com/stranded12.html) where I could just hear the man thinking "Oh God, NOW what the heck is wrong with this thing?!?"

hankdatank1362
May 4, 2007, 11:27 AM
Now that's just lazy huntin' right there...
http://www.amysteinphoto.com/images/domesticated_13.jpg

GEM
May 4, 2007, 11:55 AM
That's almost pretty standard in TX. You feed the stupid turkeys for a year at a feeder, then shoot them when they forgot to look at the calendar for hunting season and go to get some corn.

It isn't like most hunters stalk them through the woods here. Same with deer.

Creeping Incrementalism
May 4, 2007, 03:45 PM
Someone should ask her if she is anti. I think the odd are about 90% that she is. Her photos tend to emphasize the firearms (especially, focusing on only the muzzle in that one photo) and gore (the deer). Oleg's photos emphasize the people, not the firearms. Her photos of women simply standing around with firearms, which we find merely interesting, would be jarring to hoplophobes.

I think that turkey is the decoy pictured below, by the way. Notice the breast feather sticking out in both, and otherwise identical posture and coloring? There also doesn't appear to be a hen to strut at in the first place.

http://www.conservationdecoys.com/images/turkey2-1.jpg

http://www.conservationdecoys.com/turkey.php

Oleg Volk
May 4, 2007, 04:15 PM
Her images seem to show "curios and oddities". She got to see really neat scenes but did little with them.

FWIW, her views on the war in Iraq aren't far off from mine. I think it is a monumental waste of American lives and capital. The merits or demerits of it for the purposes of Iraqis are harder for me to judge.

As for the static/active aspects, my next photo series is based around action. We'll see how well that would work out.

GEM
May 8, 2007, 11:26 AM
So I did ask her - not a rabid anti! Very thoughtful person. Sorry to disappoin those looking for some more things to rave about.

Dorryn
May 8, 2007, 01:27 PM
Her photos are still depressing as hell, to me.

Eleven Mike
May 8, 2007, 02:18 PM
Her photos tend to emphasize the firearms (especially, focusing on only the muzzle in that one photo) and gore (the deer). Oleg's photos emphasize the people, not the firearms. Her photos of women simply standing around with firearms, which we find merely interesting, would be jarring to hoplophobes.

What? That's true of some of his posters that show guns being used in self-defense. Most of the others (if a gun is in the picture) seem to center on the gun, showing someone posing with a firearm, outside of any context like self-defense or hunting. In fact, most of them have a plain, white background, if I remember right. I'm not trying to knock Oleg's photos, I thought he was trying to focus on the guns in a lot of those pictures.

To me, these pictures look like normal people using or carrying their guns in a normal way, rather than posing to show off the gun.

Very odd pics on that page. The women/girls either look utterly disinterested and staged, or like a deer-in-the-headlights.

What pictures are you seeing? :confused:

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